Study finds feminists don't hate men

BlzzdSuxDix · 2024-04-26T15:17:35+00:00

No real metric on what exactly constitutes misandry and merely a “feelings” poll

Also its hilarious that the study tries to support the idea that feminists have debunked anatomical differences and neurological differences between men and women which really goes to show you how off base and bizarre this paper is

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8493822/

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2024/02/men-women-brain-organization-patterns.html

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnins.2019.00185/full

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg26134791-300-new-evidence-finally-reveals-how-male-and-female-brains-really-differ/

I was on board with the study until they started repeating Flat Earther level of delusion claims lol

Necessary-Ask-3619 · 2024-04-26T17:15:08+00:00

LMAO.

Edit: With this kind of language, the bias is set already.

We examined the accuracy and underpinnings of the damaging stereotype that feminists harbor negative attitudes toward men.
Feminism has achieved many impressive advances for women and girls as well as men and boys
his trope has been used to delegitimize and discredit the movement, has deterred women from joining it, and motivated men to oppose it, sometimes with violence

Also, a self-reported study. Of course, they aren't going to say they hate men.

SlowEffective8146 · 2024-04-26T16:51:46+00:00

I bet the women of TwoX don't believe they hate men either. I bet most redpillers don't believe they're misogynists. What does this even prove?

Kaminaxgurren · 2024-04-26T16:56:55+00:00

The View, a mainstream talk show, recently did a segment on "do we need men" and spent the whole time bashing and stereotyping men. Misandrist narratives are common and generally socially acceptable on social media. Several of my female friends have, to my face, disparaged men as a gender. I'm sorry, but this study reeks of bias and dishonesty.

neinhaltchad · 2024-04-26T19:09:53+00:00

In other news: Women self report whatever makes them look good and virtuous.

What a shocker.

Tobes_macgobes · 2024-04-26T16:11:35+00:00

I feel like this is a really hard thing to prove, and I’m not sure any study could do it.

First off: what is a feminist? If it’s the belief that men and women are equal and deserve to be treated as such, then that’s virtually every woman, in which case plenty of women aren’t hostile towards men.

Then there are the feminists that we consider who I guess you can describe as women that are really passionate about women’s rights and talk about it a lot. I’ve met some who I got along with fine. I do agree with some feminist talking points, and have no problem agreeing to something when I believe it.Some of whom are married to men and have healthy relationships with men in their life. However, they do seem to push back rather strongly against men and seem a bit too critical of men who they might not see eye to eye with.

That being said, almost every man I think can say they get some bit of hostility towards a feminist fine. I think it might be less of a feminist problem and more of a far left issue, where the left says “if you disagree with me you must be a sexist/racist/homophobe/bigot”.

Spicy_take · 2024-04-26T18:56:06+00:00

Misogynists will tell you they don’t hate women, and still have less vitriol in their claims than feminists do about men.

TheGreatBeefSupreme · 2024-04-26T15:40:21+00:00

I mean, the meta study did also show that feminists show less benevolence to men than non-feminists do. They also sampled from a lot of studies that are more than 20 years old. While this isn’t necessarily bad, ideological drift can and does occur over such time periods and those attitudes might not representative of modern sentiments.

It’s also not clear how they chose which studies to include in their meta study, unless I missed something. I wouldn’t call this a faulty study, but when the authors themselves start with the assumption that feminist misandry is a myth, and then confirm that assumption, it should warrant a little extra scrutiny.

Despite these reservations, this looks pretty conclusive. I do wonder if redpillers would self-report as woman-haters in studies like these.

obviousredflag · 2024-04-26T16:13:00+00:00

so why do so many men, especially the various fractions of the manosphere, perpetuate the myth that feminists hate men?

First, despite the political uses of the misandry stereotype, it may nonetheless capture an important reality. The stereotype accuracy hypothesis suggests that stereotypes, like other social perceptions, are sustained by inductive learning of objective regularities in the environment and therefore often contain kernels of truth. There is little doubt, of course, that some feminists are misandrists, just as some nonfeminists are also likely to harbor negative attitudes toward men. Further, some feminists have claimed that misandry is a legitimate, even necessary aspect of the movement. Their argument is that bad feelings toward men are rational responses to men's hatred and mistreatment of women and that more positive or dispassionate responses would only undermine women's motivation to bring about social change.

Second, consistent with this line of thought, social psychological theories of collective action suggest that positive attitudes and emotions to perpetrator groups may dampen the motivation to strive for just and equitable intergroup relations. The aversive emotional experience of injustice, manifested as anger on behalf of the ingroup toward perpetrator groups or unjust systems has been found to be a major predictor of politicized identity and collective action. However, though specific intergroup emotions such as anger have been studied extensively, relatively few studies have examined the role of broad affective attitudes such as prejudice toward society's powerful and perpetrator groups. According to intergroup emotions theory, collective emotions like anger rather than prejudice toward other groups motivate collective action. Thus, it appears that social movements may be characterized by negatively valenced emotions and attitudes toward majority groups and that further research is needed to clarify whether these are only specific (e.g., anger) or also more general.

A third reason that feminists may hold negative attitudes toward men is that they may be inclined to perceive men as a threat to women. A common theme of feminist thinking is awareness that women collectively are oppressed and disrespected by men. According to integrated threat theory, prejudice toward an outgroup is heightened when it is seen as presenting realistic threats to the material welfare of the ingroup and symbolic threats to its values, standing, and dignity. Realistic and symbolic threat perceptions have been shown empirically to relate to negative intergroup attitudes to majority groups, including women's attitudes toward men.

Enzi42 · 2024-04-26T20:22:49+00:00

TLDR: Not all feminists hate men but their idealogy makes them incredibly susceptible to hatred. Hate or not, they care less about their male loved ones than nonfeminists.

I was hesitant to engage with this, but sure why not?

So, I'm assuming "feminists" in this context isn't just code for "women"? Because that would change things, and what I'm going to say applies to women and men who operate under the idealogy of feminism.

Personally speaking, as someone who is pretty averse to feminists---I don't think all feminists hate men. I think some do, some don't, some are indifferent.

But that isn't really an endorsement of the idealogy. Not all feminists hate men, but that's like saying that nit all diabetic patients have had limbs amputated. The conditions needed for that to happen are already at work in their bodies.

Likewise feminists are pretty primed to hate men or at least view us far more negatively than they see women.

Feminism holds a firm male oppressor/female oppressed view on the world and society. Some of them do see men as evil monsters, a dark force that has its boot on women's necks and has done so for millennia. Others see us as misguided brutes who need to be trained and taught not to ravage ourselves and the world and people around us. We aren't evil just in need of guidance and rehabilitation for everyone's sake.

And there are a thousand different facets of how they view men in between those two extremes. But no matter what the common theme remains: men are the bad ones, the wrong ones, the mistaken ones---the transgressors whether we mean to be or not.

That causes those who hold feminist ideals to look at men through a very negative lens. Even the men in their lives who they should care about are not exempt. I think that's why it is so easy for feminist women and men to turn on or throw under the bus their own male loved ones if they feel it is necessary.

Southern_Fall983 · 2024-04-26T16:58:33+00:00

Lmao, the entire devaluation of men in media shaping people’s attitudes the last 40 years was an agenda pushed forward by feminists who hate men. Please.

No-Search6744 · 2024-04-26T18:10:41+00:00

Eh they dont hate men the same way the religious zealot doesn't hate women. They just look down on you and decide they know whats better for your life, which often leads to worse outcomes than merely being hated would. Take such studies like this with a pound of salt

Notsonewguy7 · 2024-04-26T18:56:29+00:00

I don't believe this study.

TheEgosLastStand · 2024-04-26T20:02:24+00:00

Feminists don't hate men in the same way that conservatives aren't racist. Like yeah, they may not use *the n word*, but they sure as fuck aren't moving to low income neighborhoods.

Feminists may not feel hatred when asked about men in the abstract, but they show their ass immediately whenever anything that favors men happens and they wig the fuck out.

bifewova234 · 2024-04-26T15:46:27+00:00

This article reeks with bias and isnt credible for that reason. The big problem with a lot of studies is the conflict of interest where the authors are putting their names, reputations and careers out there in front of their academic community. If they say or do something that is going to displease that community then they may lose respect, reputation and jeopardize their careers. Its that fear of loss and desire to be held in greater esteem by their peers that is the conflict of interest. When the price of being real is social ostracism, not many people are going to pay that price and those that do... you might not hear from them anymore.

caption291 · 2024-04-26T16:08:25+00:00

"We investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves of any wrong doing".

"Feminism has achieved many impressive advances for women and girls as well as men and boys (Gamble, 2004; Javaid, 2016). At the same time, it has been dogged, since at least the 19th century, by the perception that it is motivated by antimale sentiment, or misandry (Oxford English Dictionary, 2019). This trope has been used to delegitimize and discredit the movement, has deterred women from joining it, and motivated men to oppose it, sometimes with violence (Anderson, 2015; Ging, 2017; Roy et al., 2007). "

I would have more trust in a study funded by Coca-Cola that found drinking 10 cokes a day would extend your life by 5 years.

nnuunn · 2024-04-26T14:43:08+00:00

I think it's often an excessive focus on the outliers who absolutely do hate men, coupled with a sort of "no u" attitude when they are accused of hating women.

CHIN000K · 2024-04-26T19:10:36+00:00

I don't know, they're pretty good at mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance. After seeing one unironically arguing that "small dick energy" is not insulting men with small dicks the other day, I wouldn't doubt they can bullshit their way through some self-reporting survey.

meisterkraus · 2024-04-26T16:35:29+00:00

The studies are outdated and poorly constructed. If I ask 10000 red pillers if they hate women and got the same results , would you say ok the red pillers don't hate women? Most misogynist, misandrist, and racist don't say they are or even believe they are. We have to look at actions and the responses they get.

PriestKingofMinos · 2024-04-26T20:14:59+00:00

"I feel that man-hating is an honourable and viable political act." - Robin Morgan

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo." -Valerie Solanas

"I would put them all in all in some kind of camp...take them out like a library book." -Julie Bindel

"All men are rapists, that's all they are." - Marilyn French

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high heel shoved in his mouth like an apple in the mouth of a pig"- Andrea Dworkin

"Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear"- Susan Brownmiller

"The proportion often must be reduced to an maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." - Sally Miller Gearhart.

"Feminists don't hate men. But it wouldn't matter if we did" - Jessica Valenti

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience"- Catherine Comins

"I believe that women have the capacity for the understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it."- Barbara Jordan

"Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release."- Germaine Greer

This is a terrible study that just looks at "feelings" of laywomen who self-identified as feminists vs. non-feminists. It's very clear that actual feminists strongly dislike men, male behavior, and male heterosexuality and that as an ideological movement there are ways in which feminism encourages hostility or indifference towards men. Actual feminists are the true believers in academia who write books, publish journals, and teach courses. Recently, more American women then not have begun to identify as feminists. So the term is becoming meaningless. It's the same as people who might identify as Christians but never go to Church (except on Christmas) or read the Bible but still call themselves a Christian anyway. Large numbers of normal women who don't really know anything about feminism still identify with the movement because they might feel obligated to. The study is really just looking at if normal day to day women hate men. In general women are fairly amicable and agreeable and not hostile to men.

Worth mentioning are things like the fact that attitudes towards men should usually be made relative to attitudes towards women. Most people in general have a bias favoring women. Saying that women, whether they call themselves feminists or not, have attitudes toward men no more negative than men's attitudes toward men doesn't mean much.

Dankutoo · 2024-04-26T15:58:16+00:00

“Meta study” meaning a convoluted literature review.

There’s not much to say about this because o e would have to go through each of the actual studies (dozens listed) and consider the methodology of each one, individually. It’s the equivalent of presenting a wall of text and then pointing to the lack of opposition as proof of your argument’s validity.

I’ll say this: I am DEEPLY sceptical of social scientific research. I think their methods tend to be abysmal, especially when they rely on polling and self-reporting.

LoopyPro · 2024-04-26T14:54:00+00:00

I'd like to know if the bar for what passes as misandry is set as low as the bar for what passes as misogyny, otherwise this conclusion is just apples and oranges.

nonplussedminus · 2024-04-26T15:58:01+00:00

Study done by:

Aife Hopkins-Doyle

Areas of specialism : Gender; Sexism; Collective action; Feminism; Political ideology

> Aino Lilja Petterson

Academic interests: Prejudice & discrimination, Intergroup relations, Ideology & social hierarchies, Gender & sexism, Political psychology, Moral judgments

Robbie Sutton

Research interests: Just world-beliefs, Conspiracy beliefs, Immanent Justice reasoning, Gender, sexism and inequality

(Professor Sutton sounds like he would have a field day on Reddit, lol)

Hannah Zibell

Hannah's research interests focus on sexism, cross-sex friendships, misogyny, feminism, and sexual exchange beliefs. Her primary research focus is on the Friendzone and its association with sexist ideology.Hannah's research interests focus on sexism, cross-sex friendships, misogyny, feminism, and sexual exchange beliefs. Her primary research focus is on the Friendzone and its association with sexist ideology.

And it goes on and on like this... so a bunch of feminist researchers got together to make a study to confirm that feminism is... LE GOOD! Shocker.

NockerJoe · 2024-04-26T14:43:20+00:00

The problem isn't if the average feminist has an issue with men. Its that have no problem with radicals using the label to talk shit and expect the layperson to make a distinction they won't.

siempreloco31 · 2024-04-26T16:00:52+00:00

Largest contingent of people who are admitted misandrists are either full TERFs or recently out trans lesbians. Largest group of gender police are conservative women. Feel like it's easy to stay in your lane.

GunR_SC2 · 2024-04-26T19:58:40+00:00

I love it, the study wants to coin the term "The Misandry Myth" and stuff like this exists on the mainstream.

The study is a questionnaire with "How warm/favorable or cold/unfavorable do you feel towards men in general", no shit, no wants to admit they are sexist.

This is just a great lightning rod for people who don't bother to critically asses a study and want to push an agenda, nothing more.

63daddy · 2024-04-26T17:52:27+00:00

Hate is an emotion and therefore hard to measure.

What we can more definitively say is that feminism is an anti-male movement that has lobbied for and won many laws that advantage females and disadvantage males. Solitarily, many feminist leaders have expressed incredible misandry. (You can Google misandrist statements made by feminists)

As they say, actions speak louder than words. Feminists may claim they don’t hate men in surveys, but their actions are very anti-male.

Suspicious_Glove7365 · 2024-04-26T14:41:51+00:00

There are bad actors in some radical feminist circles who are very loud, and it’s easy for men to only hear those women if they choose to, especially because there are some bitter men out there who are just looking for any excuse to demonize women.

SsRapier · 2024-04-26T19:03:54+00:00

Self report is not a valid source. I am extremely introverted. Yet i can take any survey and get "extroverted" as my personality in the first try

bison5595 · 2024-04-26T19:15:32+00:00

There are a bunch of studies that say women like dad bods, but men who are in shape with muscles do better with women. Women may say they have positive feelings towards men, but actions matter more than

Youngrazzy · 2024-04-26T19:59:07+00:00

Most feminists are envious

MattPayneWrestler · 2024-04-26T20:56:25+00:00

Study: hey feminists, are you the badguy?

Feminists: nope

Study: well we can’t read their minds, so there you have it

😂 Omg are you serious? Feminists constantly bash men. CONSTANTLY. Anyone whos spent any time on earth and has an ounce of common sense knows that. But some biased study made up by whoever gets to deny obvious reality? Have you never heard a feminist speak? They never stop bashing men and making blatant sexist remarks. They never shut up about how terrible “patriarchy” is. The word “patriarchy” says nothing about what the leadership does, it just means the leadership is male. Its not what the leadership does thats bad, its because of the men in the leadership simply because they are men. Feminism for the most part is a hate group, but get away with it because of female privilege. Women are allowed by society to be as sexist as they want and its never considered wrong, this bs study and those like it are the ones enabling that privilege so that sexist hate groups can exist and spread hate. Can you imagine how condemned someone would be and called a misogynist if they said. “Majority of voters are female, therefore our leadership is representatives for women, therefore we live in a matriarchy, and thats why everything bad that ever happened has happened, cause women have the power”

ThickyJames · 2024-04-26T21:27:23+00:00

This paper is a joke lmao. I couldn't even get to the methodology section because it was removed during non-peer-review for being incoherent.

envious1998 · 2024-04-26T22:21:29+00:00

Self reported study. Completely garbage. Moving on.

triple_skyfall · 2024-04-26T22:41:03+00:00

Of course when you ask women if they hate men 90% of them will say no. It really doesn't matter. Men are still 90% of homicide victims, 90% of homeless, 90% of prisoners, etc. Actions speak louder than words.

MongoBobalossus · 2024-04-26T14:35:02+00:00

Most self proclaimed feminists I know are all with men.

shmupsy · 2024-04-26T15:27:42+00:00

Do you hate men?

No.

(continues hating men)

bluestjuice · 2024-04-26T15:13:56+00:00

In addition to all the extremely reasonable dialogue happening in this post, I think I’ll add that there is a degree of hyperbole involved in activist spaces on occasion that provides a great ledge for outsiders who were already inclined to disagree on principle to cement their characterization of the activist group as being far more vitriolic/radical in character than is accurate. Most people have serious views that are thoughtful and measured, that they can discuss rationally in a serious discussion, but they also have exaggerated things they say to blow off steam and to vent frustration. It’s inaccurate and unfair to take the one as indicative of the other, but it’s an understandable impulse just the same.

Present-Afternoon-70 · 2024-04-26T16:41:41+00:00

Sure this comes off as "i have black friends". How many misogynists will claim they dont hate women and have women in their lives they love? They treat women negatively in their lives but the policies and cultural views still make them misogynists. In the same way the policy and cultural narratives pushed by feminism is why people say feminists hate men. For a group that talks about unconscious bias and systematic issues you would think they would recognize that.

tadL · 2024-04-26T17:19:32+00:00

So the converse conclusion has to be true too.

So if feminist don't hate male a lot this means they hate them as equal as non Feminist. Right?

Alternative_Poem445 · 2024-04-26T19:05:04+00:00

feminism is out here pushing movements like 4B in south korea and then turning around and trying to claim they are the cure all for any gender related issues including men.

treadmarks · 2024-04-26T19:21:35+00:00

The popular trend for feminists right now is to imply men are worse than animals. It's actually a joke to say feminists are not man haters. We've seen several such posts in this subreddit this week.

It's not even clear what constitutes a feminist. If you believe in equal rights does that make you a feminist? Because that covers most people.

Secondly feminists are frequently delusional and are the crowd that likes to spin and say PC stuff (lie). I don't believe this study at all.

NaviaMain · 2024-04-26T21:01:25+00:00

useless shit.

RahLyt · 2024-04-26T21:46:08+00:00

hahahahahaha

jpla86 · 2024-04-27T00:07:05+00:00

That's like saying the KKK doesn't hate black people.

Feminists absolutely hate men. Most women hate men. Misandry is normalized and even encouraged.

mcmur · 2024-04-26T17:11:07+00:00

I don’t even need to look at the methodology of this paper to know it’s a garbage study.

ICU8a8 · 2024-04-26T17:38:15+00:00

Was this “study” based on what they say or what they do?

bruhholyshiet · 2024-04-26T17:51:42+00:00

Not saying that all, or even most, feminists hate men, but like other people have said, a person can despise a group without acknowledging that they despise them.

In general, I've noticed that feminists don't outright hate men, but instead they have a vision of them closer to this: "I don't hate men, I have men in my life that I love. I can't blame, however, any woman that does hate them, since she probably has good reasons."

thedarkracer · 2024-04-26T14:50:23+00:00

The loudest person is the one who gets the most attention. Plus, we have all seen "men are trash" placards on marches. Add to it the saying that women want equality everywhere right, education, work and pay. But they don't advocate or fight for equal drafting in the army (No woman is raising their voice or Ukraine cancelling male passports). So it feels like they only ask for equality when it suits them.

For example in education most places have female only scholarships and reservations, companies mass hire women to show gender diversity, etc. Now these cases women didn't earn that right as much as men did but got hired or selected or got paid for their tuition. It suits them here but not the battlefield. Here they are asking for an unfair advantage citing millenia of oppression when neither of them were even born. How is a western woman oppressed is something I can't understand, I can understand in my third world country though.

ThatLeval · 2024-04-26T17:06:03+00:00

People use misandry like people use the word misogyny. Andrew Tate gets called a misogynist and I'm sure he loves Women

https://youtu.be/F7dxUka_apo?si=dd3rIojvHU0b5hxh

I'm sure if you ask any of these ladies from the View (a popular daytime talk show) if they hate Men they'd say no. Yet they believe Men are useless and one of them says she only needs her husband for sex 3 or 4 times a week

What people say in a study and what people say and do in real life conversations is easily different. You can't believe we live in a Patriarchy, it's designed for Men, Men are privileged above Women, Women are morally superior and claim you don't have negative feelings towards Men

Diligent_Grab7065 · 2024-04-26T17:21:19+00:00

Feminism is anti-male, regardless of the attitudes of those who practice it.

just_a_place · 2024-04-26T17:36:17+00:00

Riiight... because women are well known for their consistency between what they say and what they do. 🙄

This is the equivalent of "Oh! I am not a racist. I have black friends! Believe me! Don't pay attention to my track record because facts lie!"

CliffPR · 2024-04-26T15:00:37+00:00

All those feminists who "don't hate men" stand by and say nothing when the ones who do hate men get going. What is it they themselves say about men who insist that they're not misogynist, but don't challenge men around them who display misogyny?

Mainstream feminism does nothing to cast out the radfems; at best they will make a token no true scotsman argument when confronted with them. Mainstream feminist scholarship still teaches Dworkin and Solanas - not as historical relics but as thinkers whose writings are still relevant.

You can't claim your movement isn't toxic unless you actually make some kind of effort to remove toxic elements when you see them.

Shoddy-Cherry-490 · 2024-04-26T18:03:47+00:00

I wonder if we need to deconstruct misandry as well as misogyny a bit more instead of blanket labelling entire cohorts of people with it. Especially the term misogyny has perhaps been too widely applied in recent years.

Among heterosexual people at least, I would surmise that only a fraction of men and women feel genuine contempt for the opposite gender, while the majority really feel something in between a sense of curiosity to strong attraction to outright need for a member of the opposite gender. I would go even further and argue that there is a certain amount of curiosity in what we perceive as flaws of the opposite gender. I think men are genuinely fascinated by what is perceived as whimsical and illogical about women's behavior. Likewise women surely wonder a lot about men's penchant to take high risks and potentially gamble away a safe position. Women definitely love male aggression and men, in turn, seek out the nurturing side of a woman. Even when you look at aspects of society that are truly frowned upon nowadays, like the idea that white men control much of the economy and politics, I think there is a tacit acknowledgment that men are perhaps more drawn to positions of power than women and that the resulting "success gap" is therefore not this diabolical thing it's sometimes made out to be. This, I think is the norm in relationships between men and women.

But as with most things in life, the normative behavior doesn't make for attention grabbing headlines. So perhaps for all the noise about "hate", we really need to make some adjustments in where we place that in terms of mainstream relevance, perhaps by as much as a factor of 10.

SoldierExcelsior · 2024-04-26T20:32:46+00:00

Actions speak louder than words,and from the feminist perspective maybe they have a good reason to hate men like slaves hate their masters untill they have to pay their own bills and fend for themselves

Gilaridon · 2024-04-26T23:57:30+00:00

Because those results don't match the real experiences men have had with feminists.

I bet studies would also show that men don't hate women but would that stop the claim that men hate women?

How about asking people why feminists hate men?

EveningEveryman · 2024-04-26T16:19:12+00:00

Either all women hate men, and feminism puts that into application or this study is bullshit. Keep in mind, this is just comparing feminists to non feminists.

AcephalicDude · 2024-04-26T18:11:15+00:00

It's the classic problem of the loudest, most obnoxious and most contrarian voices over-representing a group on social media. Everyone is gonna ignore the feminist on Twitter saying that we need to pay attention to men's issues, everyone is gonna engage with the feminist on Twitter saying that men are inherently garbage.

Remote_Panic_3271 · 2024-04-26T15:02:55+00:00

I don’t think they all necessarily hate all men. I do think they rank men based on looks and hate uglies ones and will tolerate misogyny from hot ones

shmupsy · 2024-04-26T15:31:34+00:00

Any identity group is a safe space for hating opposition groups or any that may take away from your pie. In a way, this is just how it should be. Every group has to have it's vanguard that pushes the agenda forward from the core.

Feminism has had a log story, but in the end it's a rallying point for women as a political group to gather power and resources, just like every other identity group. Because that's how you get anything under democracy.

Crimson-Pilled · 2024-04-26T14:43:36+00:00

Watch what they do, not what they say.

Makuta_Servaela · 2024-04-26T14:45:06+00:00

especially the various fractions of the manosphere, perpetuate the myth that feminists hate men?

I think they define based on what those men consider "hating men" to be.

I've seen feminists muse that when men claim feminists "hate" men, they are referring to such things as: not treating men as superior, questioning a man's motives or behaviours, holding men to criticism, noticing trends in male-pattern-behaviour and male-socialization, not spending energy on promoting male causes, etc, and in the same vein, when feminists claim men hate women, they are pointing at behaviours such as: feeling entitled to ownership of a woman, murdering stranger women because he's frustrated he doesn't have a girlfriend, believing women are little more than animals or children, murdering his own wife or girlfriend, a father preferring sons over daughters (especially to the point of rejecting his daughters, killing them, or hating his wife for not "giving him" enough sons), pressuring women to poison themselves with makeup and weaken themselves to appease male attention, etc.

Feminists don't generally perceive themselves as hating men because the things they complain men do to women, feminists don't generally do to men (and the things feminists may do, like preferring daughters, are not done on global or historical scales)..

Glum_Heron6915 · 2024-04-26T14:41:04+00:00

This doesn't jive with what we're seeing in the real world. How many tiktok videos calling men useless have you seen lately? I've see A LOT. How many women in Are We Dating the Same Guy are bombarded with hundreds of posts a day saying that all men are liars, cheaters and rapists? How many shirts do you see that say the future is female, men are trash, etc...? Did you ever read the Female Dating Strategy sub posts?

I don't trust studies where it's self-reporting like this. I don't think the participants are being truthful. They know hating men based on gender is wrong and bigoted so they won't answer that way, even though in their day-to-day they certainly behave that way.

Hatespanch · 2024-04-26T14:49:41+00:00

This isn't exactly shocking to many people since feminists have been unambiguously rejecting the claim that they hate men for decades, so why do so many men, especially the various fractions of the manosphere, perpetuate the myth that feminists hate men?

extremism goes viral, the good or the neutral don't. and it creates sterotypes, bias and naratives about any group in peoples mind

UpbeatInsurance5358 · 2024-04-26T17:15:17+00:00

I think it's simply because they want to believe it. If women are trying to improve their lot in life, it must be because they hate men. Why, I cannot fathom.

NonetyOne · 2024-04-26T18:59:36+00:00

4 upvotes

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Oh yeah, it’s cancer time

DarayRaven · 2024-04-26T15:25:01+00:00

so why do so many men, especially the various fractions of the manosphere, perpetuate the myth that feminists hate men?

Does it even matter ?

The term has no meaning today anyways

Shoreham_Directives · 2024-04-26T15:58:53+00:00

This is just a BS save-ass study. Marriage rates dropped to 6 out of 1000 and now they want to push monogamy on men again when it’s a proven failure.

HmanTheChicken · 2024-04-26T16:52:17+00:00

Feminism is necessarily anti-men at this point, seeing as women have equality in the west - any further advocacy is just about disadvantaging men.

AimlesslWander · 2024-04-26T16:58:41+00:00

The reason why they push for it is because they come to here on Reddit and they look at female-centered subreddits and see nasty comments that people make as well as Twitter I have a female friend of mines who even admittedly says that Reddit is a shit hole for people including Twitter because when you got unregulated people posting whatever the hell they want it feeds into an idea in projection image of a group or even an organization that you claim to be a part of.

Familiar_File_2443 · 2024-04-27T01:38:44+00:00

studies said covid vaxes were safe.

i dont belive in ur religion

Fun_Breakfast697 · 2024-04-26T19:43:07+00:00

The manosphere describes men in an intensely unflattering way but insists it's "male nature" and it's their right to behave that way and women should cater to it. So women saying, "nah, that's not male nature and I don't have to tolerate it because plenty of men aren't like that and if I can't find one I'll just be alone forever" is "man-hating" in their eyes.

If I believed what the manosphere says about men I would literally never have an unpaid interaction with a man ever again. According to their own philosophy, dating/sleeping with men is a total waste of time unless they're compensating you financially and sometimes not even then. Fortunately, the manosphere is full of shit.

TermAggravating8043 · 2024-04-26T14:51:43+00:00

Cause then they might be the bad guys

It’s easier to blame the evil feminists for hating them, especially when theirs hate groups towards woman that also do plenty of violence. Feminism is an easy target for mens anger

Safinated · 2024-04-26T16:07:28+00:00

“When you’re used to supremacy, equality feels like oppression”

There are plenty of men who think women being able to say no to them is an injustice

SleepyPoemsin2020 · 2024-04-26T18:40:07+00:00

"so why do so many men, especially the various fractions of the manosphere, perpetuate the myth that feminists hate men?"

Because they need a Boogeyman. Any evidence to the contrary will be disbelieved as it conflicts with their dogma.

Flightlessbirbz · 2024-04-26T16:09:58+00:00

Honestly, the idea that feminists “hate men” tends to come from false equivalencies between feminists’ criticism of men and/or lack of focus on men’s issues, and misogynists’ violence toward women and hostility to their rights.

Feminism can and should be intersectional, but at the end of the day, it was and is about women’s rights. This doesn’t mean feminists think men’s issues don’t matter, it’s just not what feminism is about, and some men interpret that as hate. It’s just like people who say “all lives matter!” in response to “black lives matter.” Missing the point (often intentionally) that people were protesting how black people specifically were being treated as though their lives didn’t matter, and nobody was claiming “white lives don’t matter.”

There are hateful people in all movements and that shouldn’t be ignored, but point is, just because a movement isn’t about everyone doesn’t make it hateful.

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SerpentCypher · 2024-04-27T09:47:14+00:00

"We have conducted an internal investigation and cleared ourselves of any wrongdoing."

Lol

Lmao even.

wardenferry419 · 2024-04-27T15:24:04+00:00

Is there a study out there on how much people lie on studies?

__I____ · 2024-04-27T08:27:11+00:00

At least the vocal ones online do. There was a very mainstream TikTok trend that literally said "I hate all men". I think most people just want equality on the reactions to these kinds of statements.

Vegetable-Smile-9838 · 2024-04-26T16:31:34+00:00

… I thought that was common sense Feminism ≠ Misandry

More-Pool · 2024-04-26T16:59:53+00:00

Ask "the manopshere" if they hate women. Chances are they'll respond "no". However I don't think is enough to convince you that the "manopshere" isn't misogynistic.

No-Rough-7390 · 2024-04-27T04:13:20+00:00

They’re confused.

sniper1905 · 2024-04-28T02:58:41+00:00

Comments section going crazy rn

Lycaeonia · 2024-05-27T13:27:22+00:00

So this does the opposite and only proves the bias/prejudice feminists have towards men.

ILoveBromances · 2024-10-09T23:17:16+00:00

This is a lie. 1. there's no proof the positive attitude are all from feminists. 2. it's just another attempt for feminists to act like they are better than everyone. feminists don't hate men? erin pizzey. earl silverman. two people that fought for male victims and were ridiculed and shut down by feminists because just the simple act of saying men can be victims of women was and still is considered anti feminism.

Choice-Substance-183 · 2024-04-26T16:13:52+00:00

so why do so many men, especially the various fractions of the manosphere, perpetuate the myth that feminists hate men?

They are emotional and upset that women aren't picking them. So they lash out and blame "the feminist" and anything remotely related to women.

They perpetuate the myth because it's easier than taking accountability for themselves.

OkStory2525 · 2024-04-26T17:06:48+00:00

They honestly should, you all deserve it

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