When will things finally start looking better for men?

purplish_possum · 2022-09-19T02:49:58+00:00

Never. Males compete for access to females. Some males succeed. Many males fail. Just like on BBC nature shows.

JAE_7502 · 2022-09-19T02:04:18+00:00

As a whole? Who knows. Not in our lifetime most likely. Focus on building the best life for yourself. If that draws women to you in the process then great. If not then you are leading an awesome life anyways.

MyLastBestChance · 2022-09-19T01:46:44+00:00

Casual sex will always be lopsided because far more men than women are interested therefore the subset of women who are interested will have the pick of the litter.

In terms of relationships, most women are looking for partners, not “leaders”. Women want a man who is a net positive in her life. The difficulty some men seem to have is that historically men were chosen out of “need”. That standard has changed to men being chosen out of “want” which is a much different standard. Some men have adapted and find what they want. Some haven’t and continue to struggle.

TotalTravesty · 2022-09-19T01:55:04+00:00

Things aren’t going to look better for “men.” Things can look better for a man when that man starts taking actions to make things better. But if you’re waiting for some invisible hand to create a gender-wide windfall of pussy for you to coattail without effort on your part, you’ll be waiting the rest of your life.

KayRay1994 · 2022-09-19T12:44:19+00:00

Things will only get better for men when we start ti work o ourselves and our on happiness - men need to learn how to healthily express themselves, stop relying on women for their primary source of happiness and learn how to healthily, genuinely support one another rather join in for the sake of a common antagonist - more importantly, men need to take accountability and learn how to make themselves happy - until then, things will only get worse

Effective_Elk_4719 · 2022-09-19T17:06:44+00:00

We need to work together to legalize prostitution so men aren't so thirsty on these dating apps and the price of coochie is commoditized.

darkvalleys · 2022-09-19T02:54:28+00:00

Please elaborate on “so lopsided it’s ridiculous”

Because it seems reasonable to me based on the lopsidedness of male and female libidos

Rhubarb_Fair · 2022-09-19T10:42:03+00:00

Here's an answer you won't like...

Things will level up for men, when men start creating a climate again where men having sex before marriage (and outside a marriage) is socially stigmatised. When men having sex with multiple women, sequentially or in parallel, this is labelled these men used to be: cads, who are feckless, irresponsible and unattractive.

Because at the moment, highly saught after men are able to have casual sex or serial monogamy with many woman. Essentially this takes women out of being available for monogamous relationships with less desirable men. This is currently only seen as a "good thing". These men are labelled as "living the dream" and are viewed with jealousy by other men. But the fact is that this behaviour is destructive for society overall.

melody_of_ · 2022-09-19T13:16:43+00:00

Technology. Only technology can free men from women and vice versa.

bunnakay · 2022-09-19T01:47:10+00:00

For the men who are struggling now, I don't think they'd do well in any situation where women aren't just forced to be with them.

SeasonPositive6771 · 2022-09-19T05:24:31+00:00

When will things finally start looking better for men?

What things in particular?

Right now things are looking so lopsided that it's ridiculous.

What things are you referring to?

When will things finally get better?

Again, you'll have to be more specific.

Is the solution to just go abroad?

I have lots of friends abroad and I've lived abroad at length. Some problems get easier and some get more difficult. You'll have to be more specific about what you're looking for.

FutureBannedAccount2 · 2022-09-19T01:40:43+00:00

If you’re not getting women here what makes you think going abroad would help?

And things will get better for men when they make things better for themselves

Stop_Maximum · 2022-09-19T07:44:13+00:00

I think that to a certain extent men/women need to understand that you might be able to have success in dating but at the same time you might not. With easy access to people from different world, some people would rather not settle. If you find yourself settling, is because you have very little success in dating and you might be desperate to find someone. Realistically some men/women (maybe women more) don’t mind being single for life. I think the best is to be okay with the idea of being single for life, and to adjust life accordingly. If someone comes in while you’re single, then Gucci, if not at least you’ve created your safe space.

IcarusKiki · 2022-09-19T04:11:38+00:00

When they start giving af about their fellow man

villarconstante · 2022-09-19T01:48:57+00:00

Never, enjoy the decline.

_Davinci- · 2022-09-19T01:42:04+00:00

Very likely after a major world war. Happens every major war, men get to pick instead of women picking. Because there's less men. More demand.

majani · 2022-09-19T11:31:01+00:00

The pendulum will never swing back barring a hot war somewhere in the West. The current situation is the most profitable social arrangement (male workhorses pursuing financially independent women)

Master-Edward-3 · 2022-09-20T22:51:47+00:00

I may be late but I believe the only way to make things better and more equal for men the common man is to advance his ease of access to sex and sexual gratification so as to not depend on relationships to get what men need. To do this a couple options are as you’ve said move abroad, nationally or globally legalize prostitution and institute brothels as commonly as strip clubs and the other thing is the sexual androids that are supposedly to be mass produced in the future.

If men loose desperation for the common woman as a whole women loose most of their power and monopoly of controlling men by using sex as a weapon or attempting to.

Pizzashillsmom · 2022-09-19T01:48:08+00:00

When women starts aborting half of male fetuses.

2022-09-19T12:28:09+00:00

Currently, things are great for men. Look around. Happy couples everywhere. If you are sitting at home playing video games.. well there is your problem.

anon018274031 · 2022-09-19T10:41:18+00:00

So because women now don’t NEED men it’s lopsided and ‘ridiculous’.

It’s been about as close to equal as it has ever been when it comes to dating.

With regards to casual sex it’s never been equal and never will be. Women will always be more selective with who they sleep with because women are less likely to want casual sex and have FAR more risk involved for casual sex.

tinasnow-poty · 2022-09-19T05:57:45+00:00

By all means move abroad

DiamondLilyD · 2022-09-19T11:54:09+00:00

When men choose to become better and self improve.

Until then, it will continue to get worse.

greedyleopard42 · 2022-09-19T07:53:17+00:00

when there is no longer a double standard for promiscuity and women and men are held to the same standards. look at iceland- women are not shamed for their sexuality anywhere near as much there, and women often make the first move.

Unhappy-Slice-5098 · 2022-09-20T02:26:57+00:00

When women outnumber men? ...I'm guessing it wouldn't be as meaningful now since women are choosing to opt out of dating in higher numbers than men.

Or if the government forced people to start pairing up. And/or if we underwent a paradigm shift where we were all matched to our perfect partners according to a super accurate algorithm. lol Something that today's dating apps fail at

Vronicasawyerredsded · 2022-09-19T14:44:24+00:00

Maybe you should ask women why they have stopped dating, are delaying or even outright forgoing dating, marriage, and children?

neetykeeno · 2022-09-19T11:27:01+00:00

Never. You will never be happy. Men are whiny and perpetually dissatisfied. Remember the fifties you adore so much as a time when men were treated right? Guys were whiny and dissatisfied back then too. It has always been rare to find a guy who thought he had it good. This is just what the male of the species is.

villarconstante · 2022-09-19T01:48:42+00:00

If by abroad you mean a country poorer than the western one you live in where your meagle bucks make you rich then yes. If by abroad you mean moving to another 1sy world country. Then no.

risdeveau · 2022-09-19T03:06:51+00:00

When men are as thirsty as women or vice versa, and men are as willing to be single parents as women

V_Delight · 2022-09-19T11:24:11+00:00

When men start going to therapy.

M_LaSalle · 2022-09-19T08:59:32+00:00

Things will improve for men when there is a mass movement of young men that speaks to their concerns. That day is coming, but it is painfully slow in arriving. There is no escape from the human condition under any regime, but the gains of feminism will have to be clawed back to something that allows for the continuation of society.

Men must learn that individually they are weak, but that together they are mighty. When they learn this, their lives will improve.

Chad_Pumpandumpalot · 2022-09-19T03:29:42+00:00

Not in our lifetimes.

The issue with all this "men need to do better" crap is that it ignores how hypergamy works.

When it comes to men, women don't desire "better" they desire "the best" and what is "the best" changes relative to what the average is.

Further, even when you are dealing with bare minimums, women want a man who outdoes them in just about every way: height, strength, confidence, assertiveness and income.

If every man became 6 feet tall, women would consider that height "short" and demand 6'4 at a minimum.

If every man made six figures, they'd demand millionares.

I believe this must have been apparent from the dawn of civilization which is why so many power structures seem to have developed around the notion of keeping women's sexual nature in-check.

Societies and tribes tend to not do well when a large percentage of its men have no hope of pairing up in a happy relationship.

Now, this isn't to say that this is right. The lesser evil is obviously the society where women have maximum reproductive freedom, but it this will have blowback in that many many men will be left out in the cold, and we have no way of pacifying those men under the current system.

The only way I could see is if women have some collective 'enlightenment' in which they become self aware about their own reactive sexuality and set out to really examine if they are being reasonable in their expectations.

This is unlikely to happen due to A.) women's far lower sex drives and B.) their ability to provide for themselves and C.) their ability to just fuck a Chad once in a while when they need to "scratch the itch" as they often put it.

gastongang · 2022-09-19T02:41:36+00:00

when society starts to value strength and masculinity again when fathers start taking action and raising their children better, when Cardi B, pop feminism and the Kardashians stop brainwashing women into being obsessed with their hoe phase and hookup culture, and when the education system stops grinding boys down

crispickle · 2022-09-19T02:25:19+00:00

Things will never get better in the west until there's a full collapse which severely diminishes womens influence, this won't happen for a long time.

Men should be looking abroad for trad wives or going MGTOW, there's no other option that is going to fulfil you since modern women have absurd levels of entitlement, standards and bodycount.

Mark_Freed · 2022-09-19T14:18:31+00:00

2043

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2022-09-19T08:14:57+00:00

Yes. When women refuse to date useless ugly men, the only logical solution is move to a hut in the jungle.

CatchPhraze · 2022-09-19T02:02:08+00:00

Men have it slightly less amazing than they did. They still have it very very good. The only people who had it better was their parents where mom also worked but was a full time bang maid for dad. As opposed to our generation where she works and only wants you to pickup after yourself.

Equality should probably be the status quo

Starter91 · 2022-09-19T11:14:44+00:00

In 20 years when civilization starts aging dramatically.

psd5 · 2022-09-19T02:29:49+00:00

when males start raising up their standards in a global scale and stop looking up for fucking hookups only. How easy is for a female to get dick nowadays, so that's why they feel so entitled to go for only top genetics looking dudes nor high status in any western country, pretty much.

Emotional strength for dudes to stop giving permanent validation to women that are completely braindead and uninteresting just like any other average looking dude, but the fact they have some breasts or some physical sex appealing feature, doesn't make them deserve instantly all the permanent ego boosting, free money and sex-love from men.

Apprehensive_Cut_146 · 2022-09-19T08:24:52+00:00

Men are settling down, but they don’t get casual action, true. Do I care, No, because I never did casual sx either and would be hypocritical if I dis

ManWazo · 2022-09-19T01:49:30+00:00

When they work their ass off and get out of the lower tier.

JumboJetz · 2022-09-19T01:46:45+00:00

I’m going to assume you are talking about dating apps? If so the trend has certainly been towards worse than better.

Something that will have some kindof societal implications is VR porn that is more immersive and maybe even customizable tailored. I think will take a chunk of men out of the dating pool in a few years as men just meet their sex needs with a VR video or even partner - more men out of the dating pool will help men that stay in

welcometothejl · 2022-09-19T01:47:26+00:00

Every man should do themselves a favor and try out an international dating app. I'm not saying you have to find someone, but allow yourself to have a real two sided conversation with an attractive woman and ask yourself, what the fuck has happened here?

HinduProphet · 2022-09-19T08:01:36+00:00

When the violent Revolutions and Civil Wars start happening.

SeveralSadEvenings · 2022-09-19T15:48:43+00:00

Never! *cackles\*

elmo_knows · 2022-09-19T01:52:55+00:00

It will take some kind of major disaster, most likely a war, but if the economic situation continues to deteriorate at the current rate for long enough that could serve as well.

At that point feminism is out of the window in all of 5 seconds. I'm not convinced you'll think it an improvement while it's happening though. The actual beneficiaries of that will be boys born afterward.

carlenvirgo · 2022-09-19T07:37:02+00:00

When men become men again. When they stop complaining about not getting women and actually work for a woman. Men that don’t work for us aren’t attractive

roseonyxa · 2022-09-19T04:58:59+00:00

When things start looking better for the environment honestly

Anykindofland · 2022-09-19T05:23:50+00:00

When men raise their standards, especially on dating apps. As long as women know they can just hop on Tinder and get 100 likes in 10 minutes, things will never change.

When men start to treat women how they treat men. Treat the fat chick how she treats a short dude. Treat the slut how she treats sub 5 males. As soon as men are not scared any more to be as harsh, brutal and cruel to women as women are to the majority of men, it will knock of women of their high horse.

When men start to demand at lot more for their commitment. Right now, women believe being in a relationship with them is the price. Thats it, they don't have to bring anything else but the permission to be called your girlfriend/wife. Men need to start to expect more of women when it comes to relationship.

Legend_of_fucboi · 2022-09-19T10:47:03+00:00

In a generation or two when religious people take over societies again (they are the only people having children).

Summ1tv1ew · 2022-09-19T13:47:45+00:00

Once America goes back to christianity. which is unlikely

blockboii190 · 2022-09-19T12:52:39+00:00

Relax men are over representing most things stop acting like a victim

ConvolutedMaze · 2022-09-19T05:12:39+00:00

When women stop valuing men purely off of looks or status. Probably won't happen.

2022-09-19T02:56:08+00:00

Hah! It would take a revolution to fundamentally change things.

I guess "it will look better" as more men get RP'd and RP in general gets more mainstream. It won' be the case that the systems will be any less biased, but men can be better prepared to navigate them.

bison5595 · 2022-09-19T09:25:04+00:00

They will only start looking better if we go to other countries, or put back in place the obstacles that women had. You need to get rid of dating apps, social media, reinstate abortion bans, limit birth control and women would have to re-access the type of men they deal with. None of that is going to happen, so men will need to get richer, learn game or find a woman from another country

Bhanche · 2022-09-19T10:23:16+00:00

Biology is against men, since women are not the slightest aroused by the naked male body, but very aroused by the naked female body.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2008/06/new\_documentary\_finds\_women\_tu\_1.html

jacare_o · 2022-09-19T14:58:39+00:00

We have to do activism for things to be legally equal (gender neutral selective service, automatic 50-50 child custody etc). But there is a thing called the empathy gap. People, including other men, have trouble having empathy for men. So activism isn't enough. We have to use a BOTH the carrot and the stick.

We also have to stop contributing to society until things get better for us. Men pay most of the taxes, but women get most of the benefits from taxes. Governments have used taxes to replace men. For example, if it wasn't for government provided protection (police), a woman would need a man to protect her. So, suppose you become a digital nomad, go somewhere with less tax, and don't pay your country's tax. You're not paying in to the system that uses your own taxes to replace you. If most of us do this, what are they going to do? Do you think a typical woman can effectively do the heavy physical labor of a policeman, firefighter, soldier, garbage collector etc? Also if you're working a desk job at a large company with female friendly policies, do you think someone who gets period pains and needs to get maternity leave can give the same work output as your consistent 80 hour workweek? So quit large companies that are subject to mandatory female friendly rules (where you are doing most of the work for the same pay) and make your own smaller self-employed companies. Move somewhere else where the sex is easy and stop paying your country's taxes and stop contributing.

So if you do what's best for you as an individual man now, things will get better for all men later.

catniagara · 2022-09-19T14:43:04+00:00

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Yeah. Maybe when men stop being up to 91% of rapistsand 90% of murderers and 100% of school shooters women will feel more comfortable in a room with them.

Maybe when they stop being less entitled and crying about how they can’t get laid while we are literally being kidnapped commodified and murdered. Maybe when they start being advocates for actual human rights and not for whatever makes their lives easier while completely destroying the lives of women and young girls.

Maybe when their whole argument isn’t “fuck me or i will disfigure or murder you”. Maybe when they don’t think choosing not to have sex with them is actually a crime worthy of murder or assault. Maybe when they don’t go online and congratulate other POS men for hurting or killing people, as if women can’t read. Maybe when they stop forcing women and girls out of the education system out of fear.

Maybe when they stop talking about “going abroad” to countries where women and little girls are routinely beaten and murdered and even they would rather fucking die than get assaulted by evil men./728631)

Maybe when they stop turning a toilet bowl upside down on their heads and then whining that everybody is shitting on them while very literally systematically destroying the lives of and limiting opportunities for everyone who doesn’t look like them.

Not being a violent psychopath. Not normalizing rape and violence. Fighting against the social normalization and actual laws and systems that subjugate and blame women for every action perpetrated by the worst kind of men. Try that for a change.

Specialist-Action-33 · 2022-09-19T05:02:22+00:00

I think we should just wait until AI robots/Androids are created. Until then the playing field will continue to be lopsided.

imissze90s · 2022-09-19T07:48:22+00:00

At least if you're a white male, just go to East Asia bro.

ruboyuri · 2022-09-19T10:06:40+00:00

When we have identical sex drives

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2022-09-19T15:39:46+00:00

Never, we will end up like the Dutch. Adapt or die alone.

Additional_Speech164 · 2022-10-22T20:58:17+00:00

When they start valuing other things besides getting laid.

DisasterPeace7 · 2022-09-19T02:24:33+00:00

When men of this generation and after actually reclaim their masculinity and not try to suppress so much of themselves, rejecting feminism and fake ideals such as "toxic masculinity" will go a long way

But even then striving for masculine excellence and male empowerment should be the goal and a return to a semblance of male chauvinism we'll go a long way, you don't have to ratchet it up 100%, but 30% more than it is now

Not to mention also controlling what you eat, and what you consume and keep around you, testosterone rates keep dropping quickly, so cut out the processed shit as much as you can, minimize the use of plastics, etc.,

Obviously this is more in the societal sense than in the dating sense but one will help the other

chaban1337 · 2022-09-19T09:53:29+00:00

Inevitable collapse of civilization and society will return things back to what they were

resultsmatter1 · 2022-09-19T08:38:20+00:00

Women: men have to do better

Also women: we don’t have to do anything

When will things balance out? When society’s social leanings swing far more right. It’s already happening. Enough of feminism and everything being about empowering women. It’s a lie, they don’t equality they want to have their cake and eat it too

no-304s · 2022-09-19T02:05:45+00:00

It will come a lot sooner than you think. Women don't enjoy riding the cock carousel but are told to by feminism. When they see the lie of feminism having kept a bunch of women in their 30s and 40s now alone, who will never have a family and be miserable for the rest of their lives compared to the women who do have those things, younger girls will start taking guys more seriously and have realistic standards because they don't want to end up like the bitter women they see.

You can go abroad. It works for many. If you're a man, you might as well wait out the cyclical dating market. Women don't have that luxury but for men time is on your side.

imissze90s · 2022-09-19T07:46:29+00:00

I thought we lived in a patriarchy that permeates every facet of our lives and we're supposed to be so privileged according to feminists?

alphasupremacy5555 · 2022-09-19T02:54:25+00:00

Honestly and realistically with the way that western women are, I don't see things getting better for American men not even anywhere close to anytime soon. What men need to do is do the work put a hell of a whole lot work. If you genuinely and seriously want to have tons of constant wild enthusiastic free sex from gorgeous women you got to develop yourself as a man as much as possible. Workout a hell of a whole lot, work on your looks and learn, practice and master game and seduction. Men need to become very knowledgeable when it comes to female nature. May need to become way more confident in themselves and become extremely comfortable with rejection. It's about finding intelligent ways to create and add value to your life. Men need to chase excellence and greatness and never women. You can work on your physique and your looks and keep your hygiene and tip top shape so that you can practice game by cold approaching women. You don't need money for casual sex but you damn sure need money for a serious relationship and mostly firstly importantly for yourself. If you are going to turn to going abroad for women then that means the only way you going to get coochie is by traveling for it. Unless you're in your 60s I would definitely advise against going abroad. If you're going to go abroad you might as well move to an entirely different country on the other side of the world but you would have to learn a whole new language as well. If you have to travel abroad to get laid it means you don't have any game and game is something that every man should have and practice. So no going abroad is not the solution.

MassageGymnist · 2022-09-19T13:16:51+00:00

When women no longer operate on hive mind. 🙏🏽

HobbitShaker88 · 2022-09-19T17:09:21+00:00

Its really not hard, men already have it better.

AppliedAutism · 2022-09-19T11:47:08+00:00

When society declines enough that women start facing the consequences of their decisions.

IhaveLostCount · 2022-09-20T06:10:20+00:00

For certain men, likely never. People and even they don’t care about themselves enough for their suffering to be meaningful in the first place. I’ve accepted being one of them, just count myself lucky I was born in the 90s and grew up in the 21st century with all the cool tech to distract myself. I get that embracing it isn’t everyone’s cup of tea so I make no judgements how people react to this reality when they accept it.

BreakingTheCut · 2022-09-19T03:07:19+00:00

Perhaps when we start at the foundational level and stop sexually mutilating a child just because it’s born male, genital integrity is an inherent human right for all and not just a privilege of those born female. Sadly, sexist cultural biases seem to be having people erroneously believe otherwise though…

Ok_Veterinarian_4596 · 2022-09-19T09:07:58+00:00

Since children are seen as a woman's property in western countries how do you expect things to get better? Every discussion just leads to me me me. The miracle that is birth is now seen a no more than an addition in the life experience of a woman. This is the reason no honest discussion is possible surrounding equal reproduction rights. It will stay stuck at killing babies or forcing woman to give birth. Both man and woman became extremely apathic forgetting that children are human beings too. We are used to these lives of living on the backs of our children. Making each other the enemies and teaching this idiocy to our kids with our negligence. Our children are made to pay our debts. We refuse to teach them humanity. It will only get worse for both man and woman.

DiligentProgresses · 2022-09-19T01:40:26+00:00

When patriarchy is restored

Roe is just the beginning

Interesting that most pro lifers are women

Guess you go girl isn't uniformly the call of the day amongst womanhood

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Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2022-09-19T07:04:18+00:00

You answered your own question, you will always have more options abroad than you do locally.

somethinganonamous · 2022-09-19T11:56:37+00:00

When there is a crisis.

AwakenTheSavage · 2022-09-19T18:12:05+00:00

Depends what you mean by “better.”

Stunning-Potato-1984 · 2022-09-19T20:59:01+00:00

So question: in your opinion how is it looking bad?

EugeneCezanne · 2022-09-19T21:00:56+00:00

When men raise their standards.

sonnydays2 · 2022-09-19T22:05:05+00:00

DestroGamaDx · 2022-09-20T15:21:23+00:00

When we die

Title	When will things finally start looking better for men?
Author	elmo_knows
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Date	September 19, 2022 12:54 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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