Where does the belief that women only show interest in/ have sex with men in the top 20%, but then later settle for the bottom 80% come from?

tired_hillbilly · 2024-04-03T20:54:36+00:00

No dating sites prioritize long-term relationships, because none of them are actually incentivized to do so. This is true of eharmony too; eharmony makes less money if people actually get into long-term relationships.

Most_Read_1330 · 2024-04-04T02:53:23+00:00

Women on here regularly say 80 % of men are unattractive to them.

qwertyuduyu321 · 2024-04-03T21:01:16+00:00

Dating apps are not made to reproduce the 80/20, 90/10, or 95/5 rule (depending on who you ask).

Dating apps are more or less a free market place without interventions (for the most part).

What happens on dating sites is the result of people expressing their preferences free of societal/religious backlash.

Inherent male & female biology (and associated mating strategies) respectively create the market dynamics all by themselves, not the executives of Tinder or Bumble.

SlowEffective8146 · 2024-04-03T21:08:43+00:00

My question pertains to real life, outside the apps

You can literally ask women IRL what % of men they find attractive in public and the answers are usually anywhere from 5-20%. They straight up say this, unironically then are like dumbfounded when men say 80/20 is real. It's insane to me.

Fabulous_HonestTea · 2024-04-03T21:19:45+00:00

So where does this belief come from?

Women want physically attractive men.

Very few men are considered by women to be physically attractive.

Konoha_Shinobee · 2024-04-03T20:55:52+00:00

Grow up as a boy and you'll see that girls basically have 0 interest in boys except for a select few.

Be a man and you'll know most women don't really want anything to do with you or most men you know.

You're a woman so chances are you don't find most men attractive. All those men you don't find attractive, most other women don't find them attractive either.

I don't know the ratio is really 80/20, but most women really aren't interested in most men.

80_20 · 2024-04-04T07:13:07+00:00

80-20 FAQ (Version .003)

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That okcupid graph is always peddled around by red pill and blackpill types. What the dilly yo?

The okcupid blog from 2009 first published the infamous 80-20 graph. The version below is from the okcupid book "Dataclysm" in 2014 by okcupid founder and Harvard math graduate Christian Rudder. Christian Rudder was also the author of the original 2009 post. Christian Rudder was paid 7 figures, not bad for a first time author.

The study...

It's not and never has been a study. It's direct data from the site.

How many people yo?

Half the single people in the United States.

okcupid had 10 million peeps. Christian Rudder also reported that Tinder and match.com had the exact same 80-20 pattern.

Tinder, match, datehookup, and okcupid had 57 million accounts at the time.

But the original blog post said women message ugly guys.

Perplexing, because the okcupid book has the footnote: Only 0.2 percent of the message on the site are sent to users to a person when they award fewer then 3 stars. So something isn't meshing with the idea women message ugly men.

This is just your opinion man.

No it isn't, it is all contained in the text below.

What's with the blurring?

I've removed jokes, ya'll get distracted, buy the book if you want to read the jokes.

Why does this data hang around so much? Why is it pushed so hard?

Think about it. okcupid and match.com are two of the oldest dating sites on the internet. This isn't 50 WEIRD college students in a lab somewhere. This is men and women in their homes, out and about, comfortable, showing you how they really behave. The original subtitle of Dataclysm is: Who We Are (When We Think No One's Looking).

Okcupid has redesigned several times. They used to rate by looks and personality. Then it was simply a 5 star system. Then a "like" system. It went from a total profile driven website, to a swipe based app from 2005 to present day. That's 20 years for the data to change! Yet is hasn't changed. Swipe apps invented in 2012 made a mass exodus AWAY FROM profile driven okcupid and match.com to PICTURE ONLY SHORT PROFILE Tinder. People migrated away from personality websites like okcupid and drove straight to looks based Tinder. You wonder why okcupid has changed so much? That's why.

In all that time the DATA has never changed.

Tinder:

After a 2014 interview with Tinder CEO Sean Rad, the New York Times reported that men swiped right, or "liked", 46 percent of the time while women did so to 14 percent of profiles.

btw: The Tinder data proves that women don't like ugly men because you can't message someone you don't like.

Got any legit studies that show this 80/20 graph?

Yep. “Where Have All the Good Men Gone?” Gendered Interactions in Online Dating Figure 2.

lolthankstinder · 2024-04-03T21:52:58+00:00

Do people really think the phenomena that manifest on dating apps just magically disappear in real life? They are still around, just harder to quantify and/or observe with research. You can’t see/quantify women mentally swiping left on guys in a bar and women may not be as shallow/savage when they feel like they’re being observed and judged by friends or researchers.

Careful_Medium9456 · 2024-04-03T21:06:46+00:00

This question in the face of countless women talking about how when they go outside they never see attractive men or how most men just aren’t attractive but most women are is interesting.

izoldetales · 2024-04-03T21:48:27+00:00

Where does the belief that women only show interest in/ have sex with men in the top 20%, but then later settle for the bottom 80% come from?

Cause of the disparity in interest between a woman and a man from the same level . Most women will not like to hear this , but your male doppelganger isn't getting even a 1% of the sexual or romantic experience you have while you're still under a social pressure . A 5/10 woman was raised consuming a media that paired women like her with a 9/ 10 men all the time while also keeping a dynamic that benefit her ( her still being the adored) just cause " she is a nice girl " . Do you know the amount of time the line " Why every guy is interested in her " is used in books. So basically even if women don't go for the top 20% men it still easier.

Basically , if you're a woman , just ask a 18 years old yo show you the guy she hook up with , don't be bias and you would probably ask yourself from where the hell did she pulled this guy even for sex !!

Independent-Mail-227 · 2024-04-03T21:07:48+00:00

Tinder is an app that is literally made to prioritize hot ppl having as much sex with eachother as possible.

ok, I considered it and deduced it to be false.

A lot of these sites, only want your money, and don't actually care if you're successful in finding a mate.

The numbers came from okcupid based on USER BEHAVIOR.

that's how it was made to be from the jump.

Can you even prove it?

we consider other dating sites, that priotize long term relationships, like eharmony,

You picked THE WORST EXAMPLE POSSIBLE FOR THIS ARGUMENT as eharmony has a narrow process; it's basically the service acting the same way your father would vet for your partners in the past. You're not choosing from the pool avaible but from the pool selected from the service. Not only this but the average age of users on it is 30YO, basically a bunch of women that are getting of the cock carousel searching for the beta bux.

men typically who weren't as successful on tinder, have better success there.

Can you even prove it?

My question pertains to real life, outside the apps. So where does this belief come from?

Why do you think dating app is not real life? Does the peoples in the dating app come from some alternative dimension? Does they just disappear in the void when you swipe left and are materalized once you swipe right??

I mean if you want to see it in fucking real life just see any group, girls will aways flock toward the same small % of guys EVERY SINGLE TIME, every single college party, every single working environment, every single social interactions. There's aways the top guys and women around them and the orbiters fighting for scraps.

Senfor69 · 2024-04-03T20:53:57+00:00

I mean if you believe that they go for top 20% so yeah there is no around guys to go around so they will end up with the rest

But I saw many stories where like some guy heard his fiance sister saying that she finally found a good guy or a guy hearing a fiance talking to their friend about their ex being better in bed and so so much stories of women lying about their past to get commitment from a guy

So I don't know how common this is maybe this is just some reddit internet and social media phenomen where you see only worst of the worst of people but it does happen don't know how much but me after reading this no wonder men have marriage commitment phobia lmao

Gold_Supermarket1956 · 2024-04-04T00:53:23+00:00

Well for one it's roughly the top5% now and for two from swipe behavior

campskills21 · 2024-04-04T02:00:51+00:00

The 80/20 Rule Pareto Principle applied to dating says that 80% of the women are chasing 20% of the men. When women are shown men to rate in a study, they rate 80% of men as “less than attractive.”

The reason it’s referenced so much on Reddit, is there was an analysis of OKCupid app data by the company itself. Based on women’s likes and messages to men, it supported the 80/20 rule of dating as well. OKCupid published their data, and online it’s the go to explanation of why most men struggle with dating. Any study about female attraction indicates, most women don’t find most men attractive.

The real life comparison is just an obvious observation that all guys have experienced. There are guys that can attract women, you see girls check them out as he walks by. The top guys can get dates, sleep around, and get their chance to pick the type of girlfriend he wants.

Then there is most guys where getting girls just involves getting lucky, right place, right time. Possibly forced interaction at work. They can't build attraction in women by casual methods like dating apps, clubs, cold approach to land dates like guys in the top 20% can.

My life example, I had 1 girlfriend and kissed 2 girls before I was 20. By the end of my sophomore year in college I had a late growth spurt and went from 5'9" to 6'1" and became more masculine looking. My jr/sr year of college I hooked up with 28 girls in the next 18 months before I got a girlfriend. Getting girls was fucking impossible before I was 20, it was just frustrating. Then I transformed, and girls would approach me. It was like living in 2 totally different worlds with women.

I went through a stage in my mid 30s after my divorce. I was out of shape and had a gut. No girls wanted me again, AT ALL. Then I go to gym, lose the gut, get a beard, dyed my hair to cover grays. Now I get on dating apps or cold approach women, get dates and sleep with as many girls as I want again.

Both times I crossed an imaginary line of attractiveness in women's eyes that made me worthy of dating.

I can't even tell you how much difference it makes in your life that you can just go on a date with a girl if you try. Something girls just take for granted and mostly complain about.

Jaded_Interaction162 · 2024-04-03T21:29:54+00:00

The most promiscuous top 15-5% of men and women have more sex than everyone else. So probably swingers, poly weirdos, people who have multiple fwbs at a time, hookers and Johns and probably some players and maneaters. Players are considered "high value" because they fuck so many women.

Normal men are either not rich, too dumb, too unattractive, too fat, too young or too old to bang 80 women even if they wanted to. A lot just dont have the time or energy. But most guys aren't obsessed with raising their bodycount that much.

Guys who fuck a lot of women put in a shitload of effort for the most part, I assume they find it rewarding enough to deal with stress and drama. And dating apps made it a lot easier for them to rack up astonishing numbers of partners.

I dont really think most normal women end up banging these guys, I think the promiscuous women on dating apps are fucking them. The sluttiest top 10% of women have more sex than other women. Then those women go on dates with guys who are more regular, and those regular guys get really annoyed because she's not putting out immediately. Then they come on here and complain about it.

The thing is when you're playing the numbers game on dating apps you're more likely to find a washed up ex-hoe because they're always on those apps. Also the attractive girls at college who are in sororities or just in the party scene tend to grab guys attention more and are more likely to be hooking up with party chads. Fraternities and sororities are bastions of promiscuity.

I think the big issue is dating apps are both the culprit behind hookup culture, and also the source of a lot of men's low self worth and confidence. They meet a couple of single moms, single 32 year old women, and overweight women because that's all they can match with. Ideally these guys want a young, thin childless woman. So they imagine all young, thin, childless women are too busy chasing Chad to bother with them until those formerly desirable women become old, sad, bitter, delusional, promiscuous or fat.

AdEffective7894s · 2024-04-03T21:07:10+00:00

What is the part you are having trouble with?

Just look up AFBB in the sidebar

SlyStocks · 2024-04-03T23:26:05+00:00

I can with full confidence say that almost no woman wants me.

untilfurthernotic3 · 2024-04-04T06:03:13+00:00

Seeing stuff like this all the time: https://np.reddit.com/r/Tinder/s/KrqjI6AUhU

ilikecats18851 · 2024-04-04T07:07:53+00:00

it comes from reality

Electric_Death_1349 · 2024-04-04T07:46:16+00:00

It’s an established fact that has yet to be disproven - you may not like the truth, but it’s still the truth

Youngrazzy · 2024-04-04T18:09:39+00:00

The dating app just mirrors real life but more extreme.

boom-wham-slam · 2024-04-03T20:52:14+00:00

Probably because I'm banging like 15 girls for every 1 literally any of my friend group is banging. Mine are also much more attractive. So probably seeing things like that.

SecondEldenLord · 2024-04-04T00:32:37+00:00

From real life. I mean all you have to do is look around you and not be biased. I seen a few women not believing that men are struggling dating because they choose to surround themselves with attractive and successful men and thus this creates a false perception of reality that "oh, well my experience tells me that men in general are doing fine in dating" when in reality it's the opposite. Same with women who date only cheaters and bad boy and thus women will think all men are cheaters. But if you choose to just observe humans in the dating world like observing animals in the wild, you will observe that in reality, most women are not attracted to most men because of how expose they had been to top men, cause of how easy it is to get men and how accessible top men are. And if they happen to fuck a top man, they will want ONLY THAT and nothing below. Top men wouldn't mind fucking women who are average because its easy access to sex. When men are horny, they fuck what they can, women on the other hand fuck who they want.

wtknight · 2024-04-03T23:21:12+00:00

It comes from the Pareto Principle and from data from sources like the OkCupid study that show that women are only physically attracted to a small percentage of men.

However, the OkCupid study also shows that less attractive women do eventually correspond with less attractive men, and are much more likely to do so than less attractive men wanting to correspond with less attractive women.

Red Pill men consider behavior like this a sign of "settling". To me, it's up to an individual man to judge the quality of the sex himself to decide if he is being settled for or not.

SwimmingSeason · 2024-04-04T03:22:38+00:00

80/20 rule came up roughly 10-15 years ago. OkCupid was free. Had better filtering tools. It allowed people to search not swipe. And even let you look up keywords in profiles. The 80/20 came from there. It showed that 80% of men found 80% of women attractive. But 80% of women only found 20% of men attractive. Ok cupid use to do all kinds of research data studies and publish them.

Over the years those numbers gotten worst with swiping apps. Because those apps do not allow you to see less popular men. So women end up just swiping on the same men other women are seeing. Thus filtering them all towards the top men. And with that pool being soo small, now women are choosing the top% of the top %. That 20 is now 10% then 5% then 1%.

Swiping apps happened because of women as well. Prior you would have to read long profiles and write women long intro letters. ( Dont message me unless you read my profile and write something of substance ).
This left men spending days upon days of getting nowhere. Why? Because women would open her inbox. Look at your photo and never reply. So swiping was made so women wouldnt have to put any effort into dating apps. And this is why every dating app that requires women to put in effort fails. Even bumble where many women cant comprehend, they have to send the message first.

With Instagram and so on women think they have more choice than they really do. Even married women were shown to would have swiped left on their own husbands if thats how they met.

Other studies show women have almost no brain activity when they see normal everyday men. While mens brain react annoyed when seeing ugly women. Meaning normal men and men on the same or higher looks are literally invisible to most women. So telling men not to approach women shrinks the pool even more so with those men being invisible elsewise.

shabby18 · 2024-04-04T04:15:23+00:00

I don't think it's just a belief, there's some science to it. But again it's not a strict 80/20 rule. It can have some wiggle room depending on societal and environmental factors.

Women biologically are child bearing, and men are providers. So technically women can have kids with multiple men of their choosing. And hence they are naturally gravitating towards better providers. A long long time ago, it was strength that fascinated women, then came communication skills, then power, then money and looks.

Having said that, the social media and movies these days have unrealistic standards of beauty and fame these days. And both men and women are badly effected by it. Women are brain washed about bare minimum. Men are brainwashed about other things. It's a toxic culture and those who are wise enough to see it and rise above it, can be happy, but this pool of people is very small so again finding a partner is difficult.

Sex and companionship is not a right like every man claims here, it's not charity, men are gotta raise their standards. This is evolutionary science. It's the law of nature. Biologically women are taxed with extra responsibility to choose the best of the bunch(albeit some women too are toxic). But sex/companionship deprived men are far more bigger nuisance to the society. A lot of sex related crimes are from the same people (men and women, women lesser as easy to get sex). That's why sex workers should be legal. To satiate people who don't have companionship, but this is a slippery slope and the government doesn't want to get on.

HotOutcome9161 · 2024-04-04T08:21:30+00:00

It think it‘s even less than 20% . 4% of men are single and in my age range (26-34 years old) Does it mean I‘m shallow I‘m not willing to date someone 20 years older or someone taken? I don‘t think so.

Men also go for less than 20% of women. lets say you want someone single and between 19-34 years old. not taking looks, money, children religion or anything like that into consideration. Your dating pool is 5% of the us population.

crow_away_ · 2024-04-04T12:13:54+00:00

eharmony

I think you need to realize that eharminy isn't much better than other apps.

The highest predictor (outside pictures) of the amount of messages received by male profiles on eharmony is "athleticism".

I used more or less every apps. I am not a successful man with women but the apps at which I received the lowest level of interest from women were apps solely designed for relationships, despite having a lot of qualities/attributes useful in relationships

FreitasAlan · 2024-04-04T13:27:29+00:00

I lived in a fraternity and that was always very clear to me. A group of at most 3 guys had sex with about 30 women every semester. Some other 6 guys were lucky once in a semester. The rest of the guys almost never had sex at all. Tinder just made it scale.

But where does the belief come from? It comes from nature. For almost all species, the cost of sex is much higher for women. So they want to have sex with the best they can find because it’s her optimal strategy. That’s why the peacocks are flexing in front of females and females choose the best. The optimal strategy for men, if no morals were involved, would be to impregnated females on any opportunity they have because the cost of sexual for the is lower. So women can be picker simply because of supply and demand.

The belief that women settle for the bottom 80% is also simple: there aren’t enough people in the 20% of men to satisfy the 20% of women in a monogamous society. They have to change strategies or be alone because hanging around the winners circle only works for a few of them.

Sabrepill · 2024-04-04T15:21:11+00:00

All people, men and women, shoot for the stars and want the best they can get when they have power. For women this power comes automatically with youth and beauty. For men, they often struggle in their youth and get most of their power from achievement. Because of this, most men don’t ever get any power because they don’t achieve anything.

The men that do achieve things, like fitness and money, tend to have the vast majority of women interested in them. This creates that 20/80 dynamic. There are many more powerful women than men in the sexual marketplace, because desirable men are rare, and so it naturally creates the dynamic where roughly 80% of women want less than 20% of men.

Both sexes become more selective when they have power, and less selective when they lose power. And that’s one reason why people may settle.

Rich, fit, charismatic men and young, submissive, beautiful women tend to command the most power because it’s what the opposite sex desires the most. When you start losing these traits, you start losing power.

Imagine a broke, fat, awkward man or an old, combative, ugly woman. They would have low market power, more likely to settle for bottom 80%, and be soy blue pilled men or angry feminists on Reddit

BadgerwithaPickaxe · 2024-04-04T15:45:53+00:00

People don’t always want to date everyone they want to fuck. Men and women.

Women just get more opportunity to fuck, mainly cause guys fuck easier than women.

You can see this in the gay community, bi guys say it’s way easier hooking up with dudes. And bi women say it’s way harder to match with women.

SteveSan82 · 2024-04-05T08:43:28+00:00

Women want the top value men but only young women can get them. Older women cannot so they settle for beta bucks for resources with fantasies of getting the high value men that pumped n dumped them when they were 18-25.

PaulSkenes · 2024-04-05T13:25:21+00:00

Because women find the vast majority of men unattractive.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-04-03T20:51:38+00:00

It comes from the Pareto Principle which when applied to business noticed that 80 percent of sakes came from 20 percent of the salesmen.

Just like a bunch of pill stuff: they took the concept (and buzzwords) and applied it to dating to sound “scientific”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

Silver_Past2313 · 2024-04-03T21:31:19+00:00

In the comments you keep asking why. I'm not exactly sure about the root cause, but women are choosing lust and greed over stable relationships. I think it may be due to birth control. See my post on that if you want more on the theory.

Realistic-Ad-1023 · 2024-04-03T23:36:34+00:00

It’s always wild to me like all women are all attracted to the exact same 20% of men. I may only be attracted to 20% of men, but it’s not the same 20% my sister is attracted to, or the 20% my best friend is attracted to, or the 20% my neighbor is attracted to. I can find a woman who is attracted to any man. But they won’t all be the same woman.

The doomer mindset and woman hate will never leave this sub. You can’t logic men out of an emotional response.

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ta1901 · 2024-04-03T21:20:18+00:00

If you are looking for that single study, I don't have it, but I've read about it. To really discuss human nature we really need to see more than 1 study.

But yes, I have observed that women might want to sleep with a guy, but they do perceive he would not make a great marriage partner.

purplish_possum · 2024-04-04T13:52:13+00:00

It's obvious to anyone who has observed women in social situations.

Odd_Ad5171 · 2024-04-04T14:22:40+00:00

The majority of men post-college meet their partners on dating apps. All dating apps act as filters for "average" men

WilliamWyattD · 2024-04-04T16:18:35+00:00

It is based in the fact that females are almost by definition more sexually selective, and that Pareto-like distributions can show up in many places. They are quite natural. Women are hypergamous and they have an attraction to male rank that is not really reciprocated. Pareto-like distributions started coming up in some Online Dating data with respect to female preferences and many in the manosphere took this too far.

Ultimately, 80/20 cannot technically be right because it is a purely quantitative concept. There is no single defining quantifiable metric for female attraction to males that you could apply 80/20 to. That said, while the 80/20 stuff is wrong, it is not entirely baseless. It is a failed attempt to capture a valid underlying phenomenon.

bigdaveyl · 2024-04-05T15:19:00+00:00

You're taking the 80/20 numbers too literally.

The point is that often times, things might be over/under represented.

For example, I once worked for a company that made most of it's revenue/profit from a small number of clients.

Orangematcha · 2024-04-03T21:33:54+00:00

It’s definitely just men telling other men these details to reinforce their beliefs. They learned hypergamy from nature and incorrectly use it on women.

emorizoti · 2024-04-04T02:49:08+00:00

Attention. During prime years plenty of women will recieve attention from countless of men. And they would pick the best options. The top options of men are generally into pump and dump. Some are lucky to find the "true love" and have a future. Those who don't will continue to have fun. Once they hit the wall, they will lose the number of men chasing them and that's when they will settle with whoever from the bottom 80%.

Upset_Material_3372 · 2024-04-04T02:39:56+00:00

Probably a little less extreme like 35/65 apps just show an exaggerated version of offline dating. Better way to word it is just women in general are attracted to far fewer men then vice versa and that’s what makes it significantly harder for men to date.

DarayRaven · 2024-04-04T04:55:13+00:00

It seems like a silly belief.

Because it is, it's the biggest misconception still going on RN but the truth is:

It's not 20% of men are having sex with the majority of women, it's that 20% of men are deemed not UNATTRACTIVE by majority of women, which can mean many different things, like she might see a possibility with the guy

So before anyone suggests that we see the 80/20 rule on dating apps, that's how it was made to be from the jump. Because when we consider other dating sites, that priotize long term relationships, like eharmony, the 80/20 rule isn't consistent, and men typically who weren't as successful on tinder, have better success there.

The 80/20% rule comes from multiple surveys done, not just from online apps

dabbydab · 2024-04-03T21:34:59+00:00

It comes from guys who have zero luck with women so they extrapolate that to "80% of men share my lack of success so there's nothing I can really do about it"

KayRay1994 · 2024-04-04T00:21:17+00:00

redpiller writers and content creators interpreting online dating data in the worst way possible to create value for their grift, that’s where - they’re also banking on their audience being emotionally driven or chronically online (creating a reliance on confirmation bias)

Solondthewookiee · 2024-04-04T01:22:00+00:00

It comes from an OKCupid survey that said women, on average, rated 80% of men's profile pictures as average or lower. What was ignored was that women also sent the vast majority of their messages to men rated as average or lower and it was in fact men who were chasing the top tier of women.

Later, a dude wrote a blog post claiming he talked to 30 or so women on Tinder and he confirmed the 80/20 rule by making some graphs but also he deleted all the data so you'll just have to take his word that it's totally true.

Following that, red pillers et al will take almost anything as proof that the 80/20 rule exists without actually demonstrating the connection. They will say, "women find tall men attractive!" as proof of the 80/20 rule even though there's nothing to actually support that claim.

Red pill loves to put a pseudoscientific veneer on their claims and the 80/20 rule is a simple principle to parrot to lonely dudes, and they falsely claim that there's data to back it up.

esdebah · 2024-04-04T02:06:18+00:00

One roundly refuted academic study and dating site statistics. Dating site statistics are reliable and make for rigorously scientific evidence because plllbbbbbttttffff! Also, pickup artists and FLASHBANG!

Supreme_Seraph_ · 2024-04-03T21:11:11+00:00

It's their cognitive distortion.People who adhere to that belief system prefer to think they're losing to someone they perceive as a "Chad" rather than someone similar to themselves.

Describe a social situation where there is an equal number of men and women. College? Office? Typically, many men don't interact with the majority of women, leading them to only observe the activities of a small group of women and make generalizations. Below average women are invisible to them anyway.

While some men may date more frequently than others, it's impossible for anyone to have access to 80% of women.

How does this dynamic play out in real life? Do women collectively agree on which guys are considered the top 20, and does this ranking change weekly or monthly? Who keeps the women informed about these rankings and changes?

If this guy truly holds the top position, why is he readily available to 80 percent of women? Wouldn't that make him a male escort or a community dick by language used by college kids.

There was a point when people shared their experiences in manosphere now they are taking things said by capitalist manosphere content creators as their own experiences.

WANT_SOME_HAM · 2024-04-03T21:59:12+00:00

The closing monologue of the 1960's therapist at the end of Psycho.

"So you see, Norman Bates was really horny. The end."

Safinated · 2024-04-03T22:04:20+00:00

A 2009 OKCupid survey

GhettoJamesBond · 2024-04-04T01:18:29+00:00

Because we see it happening in our own lives. I have plenty of girls that used to be flaking or didn't want me before that all of a sudden want me now that I got my money up and they're hitting the wall. My friends are all telling me the same thing too.

ConanTheCybrarian · 2024-04-04T06:46:23+00:00

a basic lack of understanding of how things work combined with woefully underrepresentative and outdated data as filtered through manosphere scammers

prof_tamura · 2024-04-04T15:24:09+00:00

You may take it with a grain of salt, but I've experienced this throughout my life.

I am in a small engineering university, so obviously the number of women is small. 30-40% of all the students here are women. Plenty of types of women, fat, skinny, tall, short, tones of skin color etc. I don't know all of them, but I do know the ones in my program, around 15 of them. They are also very diverse, looks and personality wise. Some of them have boyfriends, yet they still have male attention. Some of them are very shy, nerdy, reserved, no social media etc., yet have or had male attention. The girl who looks like this woman, had a dude actively pursuing her, before getting into a relationship with another guy (She does have a nice voice tho). Me myself, has felt some attraction towards all of them, except two. I am part of some clubs, and I have felt attraction towards almost 95% of the women in these circles. Not actively crushing on, pursuing etc. but attraction. I thought they looked nice and cute, and if the personalities were compatible, I would pursue them, fall for them etc.

Now, do they feel the same way? Absolutely fucking not. And that's where the idea comes from. Most of the men are normal, everyday dudes. Some are fat, skinny, tall, short, all kinds of skin color and everything with different personalities. I know most of the dudes in my program, have they ever received any attention from the women? They didn't. The ones who had girlfriends or had experiences like this before, always pursued first, made all the moves first, passed a lot of shit tests before finally getting with a woman. Now you could say, women are naturally shy, reserved, or their attraction doesn't work like that blah blah. But they do show that visceral attraction towards the top tier men. The tall, handsome athletes, the tall, handsome long haired musicians etc.

Why is that? Do the extroverted women who show that kind of attraction all coincidentally attracted to the same kind of men, while all the shy dainty saintly women who can't show that kind of attraction attracted to the other men? Doesn't really add up does it?

A lot of dudes subconsciously believe the 80/20 rule. Most of my friends have zero clue about the redpill, blackpill. Yet to them this is a fact. Why do you think that this idea is so popular? If it was that ridiculous, most men would call it bullshit, joke about it etc.

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