Literally no man is “mad that women can choose their partners now.” This has absolutely nothing to do with TRP or men’s frustrations whatsoever and needs to stop being used as a deflection.

Muscletov · 2024-11-29T07:37:27+00:00

Both women and men are free to have any standards they want. Anything else is not enforceable and the mere notion to do so is ridiculous. However, people with high standards might have to deal with others judging them for being shallow, overly harsh or hypocritical, especially when they constantly demand things from potential partners they themselves do not have or fulfill. And while it naturally goes for both genders, I think women are much more guilty of this compared to men.

What irks me the most about women in particular and their standards is the compulsive hypocrisy, embellishment and lying, plus the resulting gaslighting and denigration of romantically unsuccesful men, i.e.:

Loudly claiming their right to have any and all standards and then turning around to criticize men for having ones as well.
Acting like their standards are always supremely reasonable, humble and noble, even when they really aren't. Which also automatically means a romantically unsuccesful man must be a particularly terrible person for not even meeting these "low" standards.
Denying any and all standards that make women look shallow or self-serving simply to keep up their facade of profundity and virtue.

To put it into an example: you are absolutely free to reject a man for being short and telling him so, but don't falsely blame your rejection on his character or ascribe your height standards to "patriarchal brainwashing". Don't get mad when he or anyone else calls you shallow, because you are. And don't attack the next man who might reject you for some other arbitrary reason. Be consistent and take accountability. Again, same goes for men.

Artistic_Speech_1965 · 2024-11-29T07:37:19+00:00

I think you need to take a pause mate. Your interactions destroyed your most valuable thing: your peace. Don't seek women if they put you in this bad state. Remember a man is always looking for peace in a romantic relationship

ConstanceVigilante · 2024-11-29T01:23:57+00:00

Men are almost universally sick of women’s entitlement and delusion. Completely mediocre women feel owed top tier men, viewing even men more desirable than them as inferior

What do you think is the solution to this, if not forcing women to be with men they don’t want? (even if it is the result of unrealistic standards)

Hot-Law2682 · 2024-11-29T01:56:02+00:00

Well 70% of men are in relationships so I guess entitlement is not that out of control yet.

Heujei628 · 2024-11-29T04:47:44+00:00

Well this is a lie. There are men even on this sub upset we have choice to not pick men we don’t like. Why are you denying reality?

toasterchild · 2024-11-29T01:18:25+00:00

I feel like most of this bullshit is based in the assumption that if a woman doesn't want a relationship with you it's because she holding out for someone "better" than you are. I've had so many men on apps rant at me about this when that wasn't even the case.

I just want a good personality fit for myself.

Dumb assumptions get you dumb conclusions. Anyone who doesn't want me is entitled but also women have poor standards and date shitty guys. So really no matter what women do they are awful. Are we allowed to choose for ourselves and therefore make bad decisions sometimes or not?

Trikger · 2024-11-29T06:29:25+00:00

Literally no man is “mad that women can choose their partners now.”

Okay...

Conversely, men are almost universally sick of women’s entitlement and delusion. Completely mediocre women feel owed top tier men, viewing even men more desirable than them as inferior, it’s gotten completely out of control to the point that western women’s entitlement is a worldwide meme.

So which is it??

PradaAndPunishment · 2024-11-29T01:43:14+00:00

Are you really going to pretend that there isn't at least one post per week on this sub arguing against women's rights in favour of giving men better dating options? You aren't looking to have a debate if you're starting it off with lying.

DoubleFistBishh · 2024-11-29T02:08:59+00:00

Conversely, men are almost universally sick of women’s entitlement and delusion. Completely mediocre women feel owed top tier men, viewing even men more desirable than them as inferior, it’s gotten completely out of control to the point that western women’s entitlement is a worldwide meme.

Everyone is absolutely entitled to decide what their dating standards are. What's it to you if you deem their standards delusional? It's not up to you to decide who's mediocre, top tier, or inferior. Why does who women are attracted to need to be controlled?

This all boils down to you being upset about women being able to choose their partners and you've done nothing to show otherwise lol

MyLastBestChance · 2024-11-29T01:17:13+00:00

If even women you view as below you don’t want you, that’s a you problem.

Dry-Ad3452 · 2024-11-29T01:33:16+00:00

Objectively false. There are several men who are legit angry women can choose their spouses.

Like, if you had said it's only a slim minority of men who advocate for this, that'd be worth discussing, but the entire post is built on a lie.

SayuriKitsune · 2024-11-29T10:40:35+00:00

I haven't met any woman with unrealistic standards tbh . So what are those standars? can you give examples? and what is a mediocre woman?

hopeful_communicator · 2024-11-29T11:13:55+00:00

dont date “delusional” women then. by your logic it sounds like they wouldnt date you anyway, so problem solved!

SplitVast4545 · 2024-11-29T01:42:22+00:00

Hot take but most men don't want these women either but are just in denial of it. The age of the forced marriage for domestic reasons where they husband and wife resent each other is over.

I think women are just generally better at self reflection than men and are more in touch with their emotions in the present, where the men live more in the future. When the man feels attraction to a woman who he actually has no chemistry with, he's actually falling for this projection in his head. Women don't suffer that as much. That's why women are so focused on how they feel in the moment, where as men will list all the reason him and the woman should work out because it makes sense in his future head plans. "How can she not like me? We'd both love watching anime together in five years".

ThatBitchA · 2024-11-29T02:51:40+00:00

Completely mediocre women feel owed top tier men, viewing even men more desirable than them as inferior

Which women? Please be specific.

alotofironsinthefire · 2024-11-29T01:43:49+00:00

I don't know what else to call " women should have to date me".

RoseyButterflies · 2024-11-29T11:05:00+00:00

The issue with men here blaming women for their dating issues

An analogy; It would be like complaining about a ebay sellers price that they are asking for.

No amount of complaining is going to get a seller to lower their price for you.

Just the same that a woman might be attracted to certain looks and qualities in a man. No amount of confronting her or complaining or debating her is going to make her suddenly attracted to you.

And don't start with saying women should "lower their standards", that's like telling women to just forget about who they are and what they want, to suit you. No woman is going to do that.

Or with the "dating apps should be banned", you can't take away a civil liberty that hasn't breached any laws.

The only thing men can do is to raise their own value and stop complaining. Get a lot of skills and interests, a good income and job you like. Plus there is nothing sexy about whining, it's kinda cringe.

If women want high value men, then become high value. It makes the most logical sense.

apresonly · 2024-11-29T02:08:05+00:00

It’s very easy to see how men’s lives are harder than their fathers and grandfathers bc women weren’t financially independent and therefore were more desperate to partner.

Even good choices may have some drawbacks. It’s just overall the right thing to do.

YeffYeffe · 2024-11-29T11:38:28+00:00

I find it interesting that when a woman has impossibly high and unrealistic standards of physical attractiveness for a partner it's "Yas queen slay, never settle".

But when a man does it's "Pornography and Instagram models have ruined his mind, he's an incel".

The Internet has ruined both, but only men are criticizable.

bluehorserunning · 2024-11-29T05:25:22+00:00

Women don’t feel entitled to ‘top tier men,’ they just have the choice to be single if they can’t get a man that they want.

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themfluencer · 2024-11-29T12:20:31+00:00

I think if we move dating away from physical attraction as the primary matchmaker and toward shared values, we’d all be a lot happier. Beauty communicates very little information about compatibility.

Hepa_Approved · 2024-11-29T15:27:49+00:00

Deflection is the favored argument method in this entire sub.

LoudPiece6914 · 2024-11-29T19:10:13+00:00

The reality is we are better together and very few people are really truly happier being alone. We need to teach men what it means to be a husband and women what it means to be a wife. Yes, you have the right to choose anyone but we shouldn’t pretend that people making dumb decisions are doing something great just because that’s their choice.

MongoBobalossus · 2024-11-29T01:10:09+00:00

It’s thanksgiving dude, save it for your diary.

Fickle_Friendship296 · 2024-11-29T16:02:51+00:00

I’m a guy and I’ve never met a large chunk of women who actively pursue “top tier men.” In fact most of the guys I see winning at dating just be average “meh,” guys. Bruh, the average guy wins more than the playboy millionaire does lol. I know this for a fact.

Why would you want to date women who date the millionaire guy? I don’t even like those type of women because our priorities don’t align, hence the reason I don’t date them. It’s easy man.

I feel like you’re too much in your head with this stuff. Dating. Has been hard since biblical times, it all boils down to chemistry. And if something isn’t working out, you can always disengage and focus on something else. Life is more than just about dating people.

Solondthewookiee · 2024-11-29T03:02:13+00:00

Conversely, men are almost universally sick of women’s entitlement and delusion

Entitlement to what and delusion of what?

Completely mediocre women feel owed top tier men

Source?

ArtifactFan65 · 2024-11-29T02:12:52+00:00

This sounds like you're mad about women having access to a free dating market. Women's standards aren't delusional because they have a higher SMV compared to men in the west and the average woman can easily get a 6ft charismatic rich guy by swiping on a dating app for a few minutes. They don't need to settle unless they want kids.

ConstantCode8637 · 2024-11-29T02:11:34+00:00

Then what are TRP men mad at concerning women?

giveuporfindaway · 2024-11-29T20:59:29+00:00

Men are angry that government intervention is used to compensate women for bad choices.

Women should not get a child tax credit, welfare, paid abortion or a state funded bounty service for neglectful fathers (child support).

There was already a sexual revolution in the late 18th century. Guess why nobody hears about it? Guess why no feminist brags about it? Because it utterly failed. Women chose to fuck assholes and became homeless, had miscarriages and "bastard" children.

So if women want to self-select that's fine. But let them pay the god damn consequences.

ye_old_neighbourhood · 2024-11-29T22:55:40+00:00

Women feeling entitled to "top tier" men isn't a problem unless they are trying to force these men to date them. If a woman is using threats or violence or something in order to get you to date her, then you need to make sure you tell the police.

I feel entitled to a beautiful lake house, and I'm not interested in a crappy shack with no lake view. I can't afford anything but a crappy shack with no lake view, but I'm not going to try to steal someone's lake house, so it's not a problem . I'm just not going to get either one.

Grow_peace_in_Bedlam · 2024-11-29T02:20:59+00:00

I know it sucks that this is the generation in which it is happening (and I know I say that from a position of privilege as a guy who married well just before Tinder took off), but don't you think that the dating market will ultimately correct itself when so-called "Chad chasers" (pardon the cringey incel term, but it's a term we all understand, even if we don't like it) find themselves alone in middle age with kitty litter and Dove bars?

Don't you think the next generation of women will have a legion of spinster aunts admonishing them not to be as picky as they were?

-angels-fanatic- · 2024-11-29T16:44:54+00:00

Completely mediocre women feel owed top tier men, viewing even men more desirable than them as inferior, it’s gotten completely out of control to the point that western women’s entitlement is a worldwide meme.

I mean, isn’t this men being mad that women can choose their partners now??

Actual-Tangerine-659 · 2024-11-29T02:34:14+00:00

The forced marriage thing is insane.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to have a conversation on here about whether or not women’s standards have inflated that has ended with a woman twisting my words into suggesting some weird-ass archaic arranged marriage talking point.

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miahoutx · 2024-11-29T23:19:13+00:00

The extremism religious nut jobs used to be the norm

iamatwork24 · 2024-11-30T05:47:39+00:00

“Men are almost universally sick of women’s entitlement and delusion” yeah buddy, maybe leave your little manosphere. Men who are actually secure with themselves don’t view women that way. Only you losers who blame your lack of success on women instead of yourself. Maybe do some work on yourself instead of complaining into the void that it’s just not fair they don’t like you. Or just keep thinking women are the problem and keep getting the same results

Fold_Optimal · 2024-11-30T05:54:15+00:00

You sound more entitled than the women you berate. You sound pretty mad and upset thanks for projecting your insecurities and low beta behavior.

It's guy's like you that remind me that's it's not even worth trying to date.

PRHerg1970 · 2024-11-30T13:56:39+00:00

I have a mutual friend of my wife and I. She hangs with us occasionally. She’s attractive, intelligent, and fun to hang around with but utterly delusional when it comes to men. She goes after men that are way out of her league. You know, Ivy League, over 6 foot tall, investments banker/successful manager type. Super masculine. Jacked. She works for the state in a decent job but not a particularly high paying job. These men are willing to pump and dump her, and that’s her life. She meets a guy. He uses her for sex. Then he grows weary of her. Then he dumps her. They absolutely never commit to her. Never. Absolutely never. This is the future for these women and I’m not clear why they can’t see the truth of this. It’s a sad life. But it’s their choice. They’re like people who aggressively dump tons of money into buying lottery tickets. Chances are, you’re not going to win. That’s the truth. But they’re hoping against hope that Travis Kelsey type will just fall madly in love with them. What they really need is older women, grandma type, to sit them down and just lay it out. Part of the problem is that they’re constantly being reaffirmed in their wacky delusions by other women.

BrainMarshal · 2024-11-29T11:06:04+00:00

men are almost universally sick of women’s entitlement and delusion. Completely mediocre women feel owed top tier men, viewing even men more desirable than them as inferior, it’s gotten completely out of control to the point that western women’s entitlement is a worldwide meme.

Not me, not anymore. I'm content to watch these women get played by top tier men or fail to get with them at all. Just watch the chaos!

MisterDrac303 · 2024-11-29T14:58:06+00:00

“Women’s entitlement” lol women would rather be single mothers than having to raise an infant plus a 30 year old man.

Which delusion? the one where men want a traditional wife but she is then deemed a gold digger because the traditional husband would take care of his wife and kids while she doesn’t work?

Bouldershoulders12 · 2024-11-29T02:40:25+00:00

Women can choose the partners they qualify for. The problem is the de-regulated sexual marketplace has given women an over inflated sense of where they rank.

Men control commitment. Women control sex.

Marriage rates have declined . Single motherhood has went up

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