Women, what do you think WE get wrong about you?

kristynaZ · 2021-10-19T12:26:39+00:00

Many good points were already raised, so I will just mention what I haven't seen mentioned yet:

Many men on this sub tend to be convinced that women have over-inflated egos and that they are delusional about what man they can get/what man is in their league looks-wise.

I don't see that happening around me. What I see is that women are very much aware of their flaws. Those who do not fit the current beauty standards are made aware of that since their teenage years - teens can be rather cunty to each other.

I really do not see the army of chubby girls being all convinced that they are entitled to a model-looking boyfriend.

What I see is that the vast majority of women are looking for a serious relationship and they are looking in the pool of men that are roughly their looksmatch. And I think the vast majority of women would not even want a much better looking boyfriend even if they could get one, because they know they would have to live with the constant insecurity that they are not good enough for him.

DreamsOfWishes · 2021-10-18T21:39:53+00:00

I actually agree with almost all the observations of the red pill and equally disagree with all your conclusions.

As in, when you go "women do this", you guys are pretty much right. Women actually do that. But then you go and add a "and they do this because" and that's always at least somewhat wrong. From a tiny bit to completely.

Y'all keep repeating that women and men are different over and over again, but then you keep giving women male motivations for what they are doing.

Flightlessbirbz · 2021-10-19T03:30:55+00:00

Men here tend to seriously overestimate how promiscuous the average woman is and how much access she has to “Chad.” Like laughably so. There’s going to be quite a bit of variation between women’s sexual behavior, but the narrative that gets told is far from normal. Most women also cannot and do not “marry up” as much as the men here seem to think. Reality for most people is assortive mating and serial monogamy, even if a woman may “want” to do better or a man may “want” multiple partners, it’s irrelevant in most cases.

The idea that a woman’s hypothetical “Chad” college bf or hookup got her “best sex” and you are getting “starfish sex” because you’re not as hot is also bs. Sex tends to be “best” and most exciting near the beginning of a relationship, not with a hookup and also not after being married for ten years. You probably got her “best sex” at the beginning when she got your best treatment.

They also project their shallowness about looks onto women. Not saying women don’t care about looks, but if it were the big thing men here claim, straight men would put in the same effort as gay men tend to because it would be needed to get a partner. And yet they wear the same stained tshirt for a week straight and can barely be bothered to wipe the Cheeto dust off their face. It is no coincidence that gay/bi men and straight/bi women are the ones who put in the aesthetic effort... to catch men.

TRP also tends to project overly nefarious or even just male-typical motivations onto women even when they get the behavior patterns right. The biggest one I see is this idea that women are “depriving average men of sex” when it’s really just that there is a sex drive discrepancy between the average man and woman. Despite all the autistic theorizing about women, RP men tend to be pretty clueless about the actual differences between men and women. They assume women weaponize sex a lot more than we really do (not saying it doesn’t happen) because that’s what THEY would do. They also act as if everything is a game because that’s how THEY view life.

gofigure62 · 2021-10-18T20:51:12+00:00

We're all individual people. We're not clones.

Most sane people would want a partner who can engage in basic life skills such as cooking, cleaning, bathing themselves, and economically supporting themselves. Including women.

Wanting an emotionally available and socially intelligent partner is normal.

Every woman isn't engaged in hookup culture and it's ridiculous to assume every stranger you meet should or would hop into bed after a few hours or dates.

Stranger danger exists. Women are smart for not immediately trusting any tom, dick, and harry that smiles in their general direction.

CheeseMonger96 · 2021-10-18T21:57:43+00:00

Many of us, most of the women I know in fact, are actually still pretty successful at getting men to settle down with after 30. The wall is a myth.

Ruben_the_Fish · 2021-10-18T20:45:30+00:00

Red pill gets wrong the motivations of women. Did I turn that guy down because of market value or because he is simply not my type?

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spinsterchachkies · 2021-10-19T06:18:28+00:00

Almost everything.

My favorite is that men have no idea that women can have very high libidos but the way we get turned on is completely different then a man’s. Men try to turn us on like they would like to be turned on and it’s gross to us.

06534956 · 2021-10-18T21:53:15+00:00

I think that most of the rhetoric doesn’t include the fact that women are conscious beings, meaning that women don’t operate using only our lizard brains.

We also don’t think the same way that men do, and we have had an entirely different experience living and existing out in the real world.

freshyfreshyfreshy · 2021-10-19T01:43:23+00:00

The idea that women are emotional and men are not is a joke. It’s just that some men have learned that all emotions need to be channeled as anger and you’ve somehow fooled yourselves into thinking anger is not an emotion so you can pretend you’re not making “emotional” decisions. Every male driven antihero movie that you love is about a man ruining everything because he’s making emotional decisions.

Orange_Paisley · 2021-10-18T21:03:05+00:00

Pretty much any time a man describes a woman here he might as well be describing an alien. Don’t care about your car. Don’t care about your height. Don’t drink pumpkin spice. Rarely wear makeup. Don’t watch the Kardashians. Hate anything with “Real Housewives” in the title. I could go on but I am a woman posting on PPD so it will automatically be discounted.

fakingandnotmakingit · 2021-10-18T22:06:47+00:00

1) Apparently the metric of my love is whether or not I had sex with you early

Forget literally anything else about our relationship. It doesn't matter if I have emotionally supported you or built a life with you. I fucked some guy forever ago earlier than I fucked you. Or tried something with someone else that I now don't like, but because I won't try it again with you I'm not "treating you better"

If to you my "best" is sex, I'm better off single with my vibrator.

2) why is everyone convinced of the cock carousel. And what even is it? 4 people in your 20s. 10 by your 30s? What?

3) we're all just waiting at the finish line while you guys run the race and pick the winner.

Mate I am also in this race. I want someone who is somewhere in my field of vision in this race so I can run it with them. Me not going for someone near the start when I'm halfway through isn't me being a branch swinging wahmen. It's because I want someone who I'm obviously more compatible with and heading in the same direction. I don't ask men for anything i don't have myself.

throwawaylessons103 · 2021-10-18T21:33:47+00:00

Using dating apps as "evidence" of what women really want.

The sample size is already so small with completely uneven M:F ratios, and on top of that women are generally better at marketing themselves via photos.

As a woman, I generally put men in 3 categories: objectively attractive, neutral, and unattractive.

The issue is a small % of men meet my "objectively attractive" bar, while a much larger % are in the neutral category. Men I consider "neutral" can become subjectively attractive to me once getting to know them.

Women's attraction is often more "activated" than just existing. And even if I find a guy objectively attractive, he still needs to have an appealing personality for me to want to bang. (But yes, he'll get the right swipe while the neutral guy won't... Caveat being, he still needs to have the personality I want to get me)

I've known a few "Chads" and they didn't just get laid via looks, they needed the charisma as well.

sublimemongrel · 2021-10-18T21:21:40+00:00

Manospherians generally do not understand female sexuality. Old school red pillers did moreso or at least got it partially right but TRP appears to be heavily influenced by incel rhetoric these days.

chubbybutt22 · 2021-10-18T20:49:35+00:00

Honestly. Everything. Everything you think about women is insane and generalizing. It’s like you’re trying to dehumanize and study us but you’ve learned nothing. Yes. In general women prefer taller men. But men under 6 ft get laid. Yes. A financially successful partner is preferably, but not all women are gold diggers. Shitty people are shitty. It’s not a conspiracy of women to deprived men of sex.

Lazy-Conversation-75 · 2021-10-18T20:55:15+00:00

What’s a high value to someone might be low value to another.

Women are not okay with sharing a man, never. And it’s not about his “resources”.

Some women may want you to lead the relationship, but not them.

Alpha/beta??? grow up :)

Playing cold and distant game will only get you girls with self esteem issues, maybe.

Women aren’t happy at home, cocking and cleaning all day, if they were, more women would strive to get married instead of having careers.

relibra · 2021-10-19T07:42:53+00:00

That we like men who treat us like shit… this one probably bothers me most. We sometimes meet people who are our type and lovely to us, but show their true colours later on. I have no doubt guys experience this too sometimes..

Also, we don’t think about “market value” as much as you think… it’s often said that women want older men who are “more stable” (ie rich). It’s just not what I see among myself and my friends… who all set their dating preferences up to 29/30 (age appropriate) and date a whole range of guys from various jobs and socio-economic backgrounds.

Also if a woman is over 25 and single then she’s “used up”, worthless in eyes of potential romantic partners and probably high body count. It’s firstly really disgusting to dehumanise people and give them 7 years of adult life to have worth to you… and also many were in long term relationships that didn’t work out, or focused on work etc…

xitdocartwheels · 2021-10-18T22:00:00+00:00

Literally everything. The men on PPD think every woman in the world is an Instagram thot or just looking for a hookup mate on tinder. Y’all are literally the male version of the feminist. The toxic mindsets y’all have aren’t going to do anything but make you end up alone. Even the women who holds up to your standards would be disgusted with the way you think. (Not you specifically, referring to things I’ve seen on this subreddit)

shockedpikachu123 · 2021-10-19T03:43:32+00:00

I always hear them say that women over 25 are useless and something is wrong with them if they’re single. To them it means they were promiscuous in their 20s or refused to settle. That’s not always the case. Some women are figuring out their career and their path in life. I don’t get men who keep saying they don’t care about a woman’s career and they’re not impressed by it but then also complain when women say they don’t want to split the bills

nemporisso · 2021-10-18T21:31:20+00:00

Biggest one would be personhood. I'm a person with thoughts, hopes, and principles of my own. Just like you.

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mercinarary · 2021-10-19T04:09:33+00:00

That men are individuals but women share a hive mind

Willow-girl · 2021-10-19T11:07:52+00:00

It's always amusing to hear MRPers refer to their wives as "the oldest teenager in the house" ... knowing that while they're typing this, playing online, their wives are probably doing laundry, fixing dinner and helping the kids with their homework.

ohdiddly · 2021-10-18T22:12:13+00:00

“Hitting the wall” has to be one of my favourite red pill delusions. Also the fact that so many people here seem to think any woman with a body count higher than 0 is undateable and ‘no self respecting man would want them’. All the posts about height are pretty funny too considering I’ve never once cared about someone’s height. I could go on and on.

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-10-18T21:14:46+00:00

Fucking you does not mean we value you. Stop assuming your worth based on whether you're getting what you want.

superlurkage · 2021-10-19T03:51:16+00:00

That we’re out to get you

And that we’re supposed to want what you want more than what we want

y2kjanelle · 2021-10-19T08:48:03+00:00

RP Men still don’t see women as humans or individuals.

Instead of caring about anything that happens to us (because they view us similar to objects or other animals, etc), they’d much rather just argue that their point is right. Because they literally cannot see us as individuals who have had an entire life before them.

i also think men view us from THEIR perspective. It’s very odd. They take their own logic and apply it to women. So it’s often funny how women are being demonized for the exact things men WOULD do if they were in our positions.

RandomUsernameSkrrrt · 2021-10-19T07:07:01+00:00

That we are simple programs to decode.

X chromosome has 150+ million base-pairs. Y chromosome has 50+ million base-pairs, one-third the amount. Your diploid source code has fewer lines. Who's the simpler program now? harharharhuegtfeudipguui REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE jk jk (males actually contain novel data females don't have)

Anyway, the biggest thing is conflating "womanhood" with general human behavioral issues, like narcissism and psychopathy, i.e, false correlation. How many times have I heard an RPer describe a mentally-ill person and go "And you see, gentlemen, this is females for you. Greed and heartless exploitation? Women. Entitlement and vanity? Women. Disloyality and disrespect? Women. Immaturity and instability? Women. Low IQ? Women. Women women women AWALT AWALT AWALT..." When the reality is, 99% of these categorizations are not gender-specific at all; they relate to AHALT: All Humans Are Like That. Laying the blame of all of humanity's foibles on single factors like race or sex is but a sign of emotionally reactive, ego-protecting, bias-driven thinking.

mistresswhat · 2021-10-19T03:48:27+00:00

Female sexuality isn't just a reaction to a specific man. How and under what circumstances a woman is fucking you has less to do with you than you think it does.

Honestly most stuff though. I've seen people hem and haw, saying stuff like "TRP describes women's actions but not their motivations" but I pretty much never see the behavior described. I don't mean "oh, maybe it looks that way, but it's actually different" I mean I straight up do not see stuff that even looks like it might fit except every once in a blue moon.

SaBahRub · 2021-10-18T21:30:27+00:00

Well, look at the pushback against the pushback here.

Based on that, what do you think?

ConsciousInternal287 · 2021-10-19T12:45:59+00:00

The whole ‘if she asks you to wait but slept with someone else sooner she must not like you as much’ is complete and utter nonsense. Same goes for if we’ve done certain sex acts for previous partners but won’t for later partners. If we didn’t like something/it didn’t work for us/we got hurt, why would we keep doing that same thing? It just sounds like you have no respect for women.

figuringMylife · 2021-10-18T21:30:26+00:00

i think most things are wrong except focusing on yourself, that’s always a win.

all humans are the same but maybe with a few different drivers. most things that drive women aren’t biological but they’re learned traits that are literally shoved down our throats from bad experiences/childhood.
most women want to be treated right (not on some nice guy shit, but like respectful) but most guys that are actively hitting on us happen to be dicks because they don’t care and shoot at everyone. you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. so shoot. you have to understand that dating is mostly a numbers game and not “women are trash hypergamous objects” and you WANT that if ur into ltr. hypergamous objects will leave you as soon as they find something better - most women are happy to settle down? which brings me to another point - hookup culture is FINE but deceiving women to go through a ho phase is weird energy, hooking up aint that hard for average men, idc what y’all say. shoot ya shot & someone will fuck you. some of y’all just want pussy to magically fall in y’alls lap. also, be aware of your surroundings, more girls might be interested than you know but you’re so busy in your head/being unconfident

banalchenal · 2021-10-18T23:17:41+00:00

That the way we experience attraction and sexuality resembles their own.

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Title	Women, what do you think WE get wrong about you?
Author	OneAngryBlutbad
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Date	October 18, 2021 8:38 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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