No matter the "pill" you take as a man, in the long run it is no match for the nit-picky nature of women

CyJackX · 2022-05-31T15:59:36+00:00

Even the happiest couples know a thousand things they find annoying about the other person. The pros just outweigh the cons. Accepting that everybody is flawed and there is no such thing as perfection is a part of life.

teamdeathmatch1787 · 2022-05-31T14:59:01+00:00

Honestly, as long as you’re comfortable with going your own way and you’re not just using an excuse to be bitter, I don’t see why not. I’d absolutely go my own way if my current partner and I broke up. I’m content on my own and relationships, the majority of the time, are not worth the time and effort to me. So yeah, you do you. I respect that

thundercoc101 · 2022-05-31T23:29:47+00:00

hey OP, go outside and touch grass. Since I need to too, maybe see you there

pop442 · 2022-05-31T15:49:04+00:00

MGTOW is only viable for a rare type of man though. Not the average one.

It ain't easy seeing other men in relationships, being invited to couples-oriented events, having the "gay" rumors, disappointing parents/family, living alone, etc. for the average single man. It's going to take a toll on the majority of men after a while and they're going to want a relationship deep down inside.

And yes...most relationships will have challenges and not stay in the honeymoon phase but that's kinda how it's always been. There's pros and cons to every relationship but, if the pros outweigh the cons, it's workable.

peanutbutterjams · 2022-06-01T02:41:21+00:00

From your source:

The present study assessed the extent to which these gender differences held in a sample of 486 older adults, ranging in age from 65-98

I'm not kink-shaming you but your sexual preferences for elderly women makes your opinions on "pills" irrelevant to most of the sub.

You do you though.

NewWayNow · 2022-05-31T15:45:44+00:00

Women's naturally high anxiety (citation) will make them always look for "what's wrong with this picture."

I do believe that women have a type of existential anxiety that makes them prone to dissatisfaction in relationships. It served them well evolutionarily, preventing them (and their men) from getting too complacent.

And in their constant attempts to nitpick, they will find SOMETHING wrong with you, however small or tangential it may be.

This happens when you completely give yourself over to someone in a relationship. Complete, committed monogamy from a man is actually an anti-aphrodisiac for women.

In the end, MGTOW is the only logical path

A certain version of it might be reasonable. Perhaps you could have short-term relationships, or be in a relationship but not get married.

SeaSquirrel · 2022-05-31T15:55:28+00:00

If you think literally every woman is too high anxiety for you, doesn’t that make you the pickiest one 🤔🤔🤔

catchtowards12345 · 2022-05-31T17:31:04+00:00

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baresquad · 2022-05-31T15:29:41+00:00

I’m starting to think that nobody collectively brings down men more than other men. If you haven’t had an experience where you fit a woman’s “perfect” how can you confidently claim that there’s no dating hope for us based on 1 study?

Millions of exceptions exist to prove otherwise at least enough to know that everything is not all automatically gloom and doom when it comes to relationships

All pushing this narrative does is bring down morale and spread misery and it’s pointless because it’s not rooted in anything credible outside of how you personally feel

PM_something_German · 2022-05-31T23:58:35+00:00

even the "perfect" men of the world: the princes, male models, charity workers etc, still get divorced

Or maybe these men aren't perfect either? Lmao if you think even the average male model or charity worker will be the perfect husband.

BlueMountainDace · 2022-05-31T15:36:16+00:00

This makes no sense. You're not trying to match all women. You're matching with one. And if you both do your job vetting the other person before committing, then it shouldn't be to big of a problem.

There is no "perfect partner" so as a couple you have to decide what your actual dealbreakers are and what are things you'll learn to live with. If you're purposeful with how you go about picking your partner, this shouldn't be an issue.

chingness · 2022-05-31T19:44:38+00:00

Go your own way then 😂 why you here still worrying about what women are doing?

Yummylicky23 · 2022-05-31T15:20:30+00:00

Where does the linked study actually refer to where women high anxiety makes them nit picky in dating?

Like what’s nit picky

roguish_rogue · 2022-05-31T16:55:33+00:00

If a women constantly nitpicks she is not feeling attraction for you, or she has some kind of issue thats not your problem, work on attraction, dont take her too serious, dread her a bit.. or just move in with your life, dont try to fix women.

2022-05-31T16:09:23+00:00

Bro your study is from elderly people.

Personality tests are not reliable at all lolol.

ruboyuri · 2022-05-31T20:42:34+00:00

This is a rather disproportionate reaction to be asked to give a backrub

EugeneCezanne · 2022-05-31T15:47:53+00:00

So, because a hypothetical woman might find something wrong with you someday, it's better not to date women at all? That's rather cowardly, is all.

How about this: don't date women you don't like; don't define a relationship solely by the way it ends, or may end. Date women you genuinely appreciate and enjoy the ride.

AelfredRex · 2022-05-31T16:03:10+00:00

Recruiting for the He-Man Woman Haters' Club, eh?

social_mule · 2022-05-31T15:37:06+00:00

If MGTOW is the way to go, then why can't MGTOW dudes let go and instead just sit around whining about women all day long?

Fit_Kiwi9703 · 2022-05-31T19:57:07+00:00

Never heard of MGTOW until today. Learned something new.

You sure only women naturally have high anxiety? I thought it was hereditary and/or based on life experiences & environment. My male partner is. It runs in his family, and he takes care of the symptoms. Pretty sure I'm less nitpicky towards him than he is towards himself.

Doesn't it make sense for people to go their own way if they feel used & abused in a relationship, regardless of gender?

Stunning-Potato-1984 · 2022-06-01T13:33:43+00:00

Hey man if MGTOW seems to be the way to go for you I say do it.

meteorness123 · 2022-05-31T15:39:41+00:00

Anxiety levels are largely determined by a healthy upbringing. Women with secure attachment styles won't have "natural" high levels of anxiety.

go for a similarly educated woman as you, similar age, similar level of attractieness, preferably you should have slightly higher market value than her so there's a healthy masculine/feminine polarity there. Dirorces happen if you play out of your league.

That's it. You now no longer need to watch Richard Cooper videos.

wtknight · 2022-05-31T15:03:58+00:00

If a woman wants to be with a guy and she is intelligent enough to realize that all of the other men whom she could actually lock down into a relationship will have just as many issues or be worse than the guy whom she is already with, then she is likely to not be so “nitpicky” that she’ll leave the guy.

This is basically the situation that a guy needs to be in if what he wants is a long-term relationship.

RottingVillain666 · 2022-05-31T15:22:42+00:00

People don't divorce "perfect" partners on a whim. The reason women initiate most divorces is because women always have been the one to set appointments, do paperwork, keep schedules. That's it.

2022-05-31T21:53:10+00:00

Women initiate most divorces because they get financially rewarded for doing so. Men lose their ass in divorce and will therefore put up with a lot more in a marriage.

SmakeTalk · 2022-05-31T16:35:46+00:00

If you really believe women deal with a higher level of natural anxiety and your reaction is "fuck that" instead of trying to lead with empathy then it's no wonder you feel alone, scared, and isolated. Good luck.

SweelFor- · 2022-05-31T15:58:47+00:00

Why do men going their own way all end up going in the same way of hating women and blaming hypothetical stuff they made up for their personal issues?

Your post is shit. You are wrong. Your problems aren't "women's fault".

LotBuilder · 2022-05-31T20:31:47+00:00

MGTOw plus sex workers and the way to go. Get what you want when you want it, no more no less

2022-06-01T04:13:18+00:00

My men, as a man I’ll tell you, if you’re not finding the type of traditional girl you like then I highly consider traveling to South America, Caribbean, or Asia. If you can afford a grand you can spend a week in a place like the Dominican Republic and have a great time. There are SO many high quality, loyal, family-oriented women out there it’s so eye-opening. Leave western feminazis go their own way to extinction along with their spayed cats.

cowfishAreReal · 2022-05-31T15:11:21+00:00

https://www.wf-lawyers.com/divorce-statistics-and-facts/

High anxiety doesn't necessarily follow finding something wrong with people.

Only 41% of first marriages end in divorce or separation. Meaning 59% don't. If you can't do something 59% of people can then maybe the problem is with you

FenaPugi · 2022-05-31T20:09:49+00:00

No worries plz do us women a favour and weed yourselves out

dietwindows · 2022-05-31T15:11:22+00:00

My outlook is basically: feel free to date women, but do it without attachment or investment, so if/when they leave you, it doesn't matter. Just don't build your life around women.

majani · 2022-05-31T15:45:18+00:00

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2022-05-31T19:38:46+00:00

Ah yes. A study of 400 people all over the age of 65.

forthetinderelllas · 2022-05-31T15:03:54+00:00

Bro tell this to all of the couples that are together in old age. Look at Beyonce and Jay-Z. Life is full of ups and downs and if you can work through things together and keep each other as a priority it works. Its that simple. And before you say oh those old couples are miserable. Maybe in some areas of their lives. But as a whole they’d be far worse if they were alone.

banjocatto · 2022-05-31T16:22:46+00:00

This is the real reason women initiate most of the divorces

Do you have anything to back up that claim?

Azraphale89 · 2022-05-31T15:32:08+00:00

Everyone just needs to chill out. Stop looking for "the one." They don't exist, and "ride or die" women are a relic of the past. Go into every relationship knowing that it has an expiration date, dont get too attached, enjoy it while it lasts, and dip at the first sign of trouble.

She starts talking a lot about a coworker or being shady with her phone? Dump her.

She goes out for a girl night, but doesnt and the night back at your place? Dump her.

She goes on a girls trip to a party city? Dump her.

You get the infamous "Sorry I fell asleep" text? Dump her.

She stops sleeping with you? Dump her.

If you ever have to ask yourself, "Is she cheating?" Don't go searching for proof, or interrogate her. Don't make a big deal about it. Just end things and move on to the next. Remember, it's better to be alone than be the guy that's getting cheated on.

HippyWitchyVibes · 2022-05-31T17:58:59+00:00

MGTOW is fine as long as you actually bugger off and DO it and don't hang around on the internet moaning about women (like you're doing right now)! That just makes you look a bit sad and desperate.

The vast majority of my friends and family are in happy, longterm relationships (20+ years). I personally don't know many divorced people at all. I'm in the UK for reference, not that that really matters.

Yes, divorce can and does happen but it's FAR from the guaranteed outcome that MGTOW types like to think it is.

Edit: I also absolutely disagree with you comments about women always nitpicking and finding something wrong with their partner. My SO and I have been together for 18 years and I think he's pretty bloody perfect. The absolute worst thing I could say about him is that he leaves his clothes on the floor! 😂 And no, he's not a model or earns a lot of money. He's just an amazing person.

sarkington · 2022-05-31T15:50:53+00:00

Women just don’t wanna as much, ok?

And now we don’t hafta

MeanCow6 · 2022-05-31T19:06:04+00:00

This is the real reason women initiate most of the divorces

The reason women initiate most divorces is that most men don't become abusive and/or neglectful until after they think they have the women locked down.

MGTOW is the only logical path

Oh please, oh please. Do it for women

majani · 2022-05-31T16:21:24+00:00

Hmmm I haven't seen many MGTOWs on here recently

2022-05-31T22:16:54+00:00

Everyone is allowed to be picky.

2022-06-01T00:37:28+00:00

I think that the notion of what “pill” you take as a man is an interesting point of thought. As woman don’t have that same notion.

Maybe something to think/discuss

RinoaRita · 2022-06-01T05:00:39+00:00

When women initiate more divorce it’s often because the guy is happy to let a crappy relationship ride it out. If he cheats and she divorces him guess who “initialed divorce”?

Citing that women initiate 70% of divorce as evidence that they’re picky is dubious at best. Sure it could be that she’s serving the poor sap who had no idea and blind siding him but she could be also the one who was being wronged.

Think about all the reasons like abuse/cheating/drugs that isn’t a “our personalities no longer mesh” divorce. It’s 99% of the time the wronged party serving the papers while the other begs for forgiveness.

Wife is crazy and isn’t taking her meds /listening to her doctor? Who’s going to serving the papers? Husband cheats? Who’s going to be serving the papers? Wife stops working and isn’t doing house work either and is miserable to be around? Etc etc. if you even hangout at and relationships sub it’s the wronged party that’s “initiating divorce”.

revente · 2022-06-01T06:24:53+00:00

You make a dumb assumption that the only way to have a happy dating life is to stay in 1 relationship till death.

Life isn't a disney movie.

ChibsFilipTelfordd · 2022-06-01T20:39:33+00:00

Excuse me how is MGTOW the conclusion you reach from the fact that women nit pick lol

Yes women nit pick, but also, women recognize when they're, as a UK person would say, "punching"

Aka dating up. Hypergamy. It's real, men just need to accept it , but foregoing all women is a pretty dumb conclusion

Also I have high neuroticism too but that doesn't mean I reject partners for little things..

TendieDinner777 · 2022-06-01T22:42:44+00:00

Oh no. Not nit picking!!!!

The fact that men worry about this while women worry about rape, abuse, and murder is insane.

MickIsBlue · 2022-05-31T15:32:45+00:00

This is the exact reason I made my post like a few days ago about women's picky nature. Everyone took that as an opportunity to shame me that "I shouldn't expect anything out of women and should stop going for women who are clearly not interested".

Look I was never expecting anything out of those women. They are 100 percent justified in their mind for deciding they want to not go through with an interaction. My problem is that women were always gonna try to find a flaw in you and judge very harshly on those flaws because they have alot more options

Impossible-Bank-1697 · 2022-05-31T16:18:30+00:00

Do what make you happy but you need to leave people alone.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2022-05-31T16:24:42+00:00

you can always sit around feeling sorry for yourself though

mc0079 · 2022-05-31T19:09:06+00:00

Stop misusing the divorce stat. The stat is about who files the paperwork, not who is at fault.

richard_golbes · 2022-05-31T15:57:40+00:00

why even the "perfect" men of the world: the princes, male models, charity workers etc, still get divorced despite outward appearances.

Why are you conflating physical and ethical “perfection”?

ex_red_black_piller · 2022-06-01T10:43:59+00:00

That's why redpill suggests spinning plates.

One of your plates might be getting nitpicky one day, but another one could be down for anything.

Of course, the main thing is you need to put some effort into replacing the ones that leave.

Which is why having a repeatable, successful game that generalizes well is useful.

-passepar2t- · 2022-05-31T15:09:11+00:00

Who cares? If you've got your head in the game, you will have already fucked her by the time she finds enough flaws to dump you. What's she gonna do, take back all the sex you've had?

nemma88 · 2022-05-31T23:23:25+00:00

Not everyone values the same things. Many people try and please others by doing what they think they should like rather than doing what that person want.

Then value added / received becomes out of kilter.

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sunnynihilist · 2022-05-31T22:55:10+00:00

I am a female and I don't nitpick. If a guy is into me, I'd feel it in my gut. I'd feel secure, so there's no need to nitpick. It's absurd you blame women only when a relationship doesn't work out. It takes two to tango.

Zestyclose_Mix_1514 · 2022-06-01T00:34:34+00:00

Accomplished_Gap5279 · 2022-06-01T02:35:34+00:00

Change the women you hang around with fella.

Cactus2711 · 2022-05-31T19:49:05+00:00

This 'nit-picky nature' is pure biology. It's a survival mechanism. Women were made to survive and protect their children. Men were made to spread their genes. The same reason we can't help but check out other women. You're attaching blame to something that a woman's brain does instinctively.

RandomRedditGuy322 · 2022-05-31T18:43:15+00:00

agree

hdksndiisn · 2022-05-31T19:01:25+00:00

I think the only objectively logical path is to eliminate all [potential deep] emotional bonds (maybe feign them, but realize they are temporary, fleeting, subject to constant change) and eliminate all future-oriented expectations from relationships with women, only focusing on the present moment. Do not plan for, care about, or expect any future. Do nothing with women in mind. Do everything for your own sake. Do not change anything for women. logically it also follows to not commit to any single woman. Probably also logically follows to only see escorts if needed.

But where’s the fun in that? Love, even if it ends, is worth it imo

Strict-Position2151 · 2022-05-31T19:40:39+00:00

This is why I’m happy to be gay.

Ian_Campbell · 2022-05-31T20:47:23+00:00

It depends on their ideology and ideals ultimately. Raised in today's world many will ditch a family at the drop of a hat and vows mean nothing. Others like many christian women with real faith will at least give it a chance in earnest.

OldSimpsonsisbetter · 2022-05-31T21:25:14+00:00

It doesn't mean you can't get sex and relationships with women. It just means these relationships will be temporary. Human are not naturally monogamous. They are supposed to lose attraction after a certain length of time and move onto someone else.

Monogamy was primarily meant for stability of society and raising kids. Monogamy is for practical purposes, not the natural instinct of humans.

2022-05-31T22:26:28+00:00

I mean how different is this from saying "No matter how good you are at your job, you will probably have to leave it"

Like, and? You'd get paid more the whole time if you were better at your job. Maxing success still has value whether or not you can sustain one particular type of success indefinitely

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2022-05-31T23:31:09+00:00

I disagree. There's some absolutely amazing women out there and I've had the privilege of dating some of them. I use to think like you but I got out my comfort zone and started traveling and I found out that women nor men are not the same everywhere. Culture is the biggest shaper of the beliefs and ideals of a person.

Anti_Thing · 2022-06-01T00:02:36+00:00

MGTOW is only logical for men who have a good reason to devote themselves to celibacy.

2022-06-01T00:05:05+00:00

The pill no one wanted to take. Ur right

Aliebaba99 · 2022-06-01T00:26:40+00:00

Im sorry if its a dumb question, but what does MGTOW stand for?

Aliebaba99 · 2022-06-01T00:26:46+00:00

Im sorry if its a dumb question, but what does MGTOW stand for?

Edit: Google knew, its stands for 'Men Going Their Own Way' for anyone else wondering.

HushPuppy1993 · 2022-06-01T02:19:09+00:00

Like imo taking the red pill has my psyche fighting with itself. Naturally I’m a blue pill carebear, but that never exactly went well most of the time. I’ve been trying to be more of the Red Pill type and it sort of works. I feel like I SHOULD just be MGTOW but I know in me that I need a woman and a family someday…..

Sigh…..

Pilling_it · 2022-06-01T05:21:43+00:00

Red pill, blue pill, black pill, purple pill, it doesn't matter. You can be as alpha as the red pill recommends, or you can be as handsome as the blackpill gigachads, or you can have the care bear personality the blue pill recommends and it won't matter in a long term relationship.

How about I put it this way : having relationship game is an entirely different set of skills than having game to get sex. You need to be able to pick apart how the person work without the other having to spell everything (not telling you to be a mind reader, don't get me wrong), and figure a way to work it with your own flaws, which already requires introspection.

A good challenge is identifying how to get the family of your SO that hates you to like you.

Women's naturally high anxiety (citation) will make them always look for "what's wrong with this picture." And in their constant attempts to nitpick, they will find SOMETHING wrong with you, however small or tangential it may be.

There's only so much tries you get before you become the common denominator though. And here is a sad pill : if a woman isn't that into you/doesn't like you, she will find things to dislike about you. That's why when dealing with a family that doesn't like me, I first want to get the mother on my side

This is the real reason women initiate most of the divorces and this is also why even the "perfect" men of the world: the princes, male models, charity workers etc, still get divorced despite outward appearances.

Never, ever, give people an incentive to fuck you over. It doesn't matter how well you get along. Don't let that be a thing.

In the end, MGTOW is the only logical path

For you, maybe? I'm fine with my life.

TriggurWarning · 2022-06-01T06:45:56+00:00

Bro, a lot of people don't get divorced though. The secret is to find someone you really enjoy as a friend that has good morals and a good family background. That goes a long way to mitigating the risk of divorce.

CanadianLifterr · 2022-06-01T07:48:43+00:00

I’ve spent the last 5 years going from blue to red to black to purple. It’s tiring. There’s all these rules for each pill, and you’re either not alpha enough or you’re too heartless. It’s a mess.

We live with women. A woman birthed you. They’re HALF THE POPULATION. Groupthink around MGTOW is not healthy. Think for yourself. Go with your gut. All of us are on a spectrum, we got a little bit of every colour in us.

Simple solution; - keep everyone at a distance until you can properly vet them - date several women at the same time and be clear you’re not exclusive (don’t lie) - stop seeing women who create problems for you

Theres no perfect woman out there, and none of us are perfect men. Surround yourself with people that add something to your life. No need to cut all of them out😂. Good luck

2022-06-01T11:23:32+00:00

How would most men know that women have a "nit-picky nature"? For example, I haven't spoken to a woman (other than to say "Can I have a bag, please" in a shop) for 30 years - and neither has any other man of my acquaintance. And how/why would I? I work very long hours from home, and even when I occasionally go out, I have no legal justification for speaking to any woman that I come across. THAT's why men like me do not have romantic partners: the concept just doesn't exist for us, any more than does the possibility of becoming an astronaut.

2022-06-01T11:53:30+00:00

Hmmmm

2022-06-01T23:22:22+00:00

In the end, MGTOW is the only logical path

I would have to agree with this but not how the rest is framed. In the de regulated sexual market place eventually as men age and loose testosterone Like children being happy doing whatever they enjoy we will and desire more rewarding things from life. it realy sound blissful.

At the end of the day it just nature out with the old in with the new.

HinduProphet · 2022-06-02T00:40:44+00:00

Take the Trad pill.

Help restore society to it's glorious past.

f1vepointoh · 2022-06-03T00:52:23+00:00

I went through the red pill rage phase aswell as mgtow phase over the last year or so. Its taken time to reprogram my brain to understand that a women will never trully love you, but only that of which the life you can provide for her. When you understand this it makes it easy to manover around women. We all have people we connect with from time to time but at the end of the day it changes nothing. Its like a strong friendship where you finish each others sentences but like most friendships they end. What you need to do is never allow yourself to ever get vulnerable and use them for what they can give you, feminine energy and touch. Understand that she isnt yours its just your turn. Make sure you can always have a back up lifes not too bad.

musiclover3183 · 2022-06-03T13:30:34+00:00

Avoidance is a symptom of high anxiety. (And unfortunately, I would know this because I have ADHD that resulted in generalized anxiety disorder lol). So if you’re avoiding every single woman on planet Earth due to the possibility of things not working out, then chances are you’re socially anxious. Avoiding people and all relationships is a fear-driven mindset that you don’t feel good enough

Drive-By-Cuckers · 2022-06-03T15:37:51+00:00

There’s two types of people. Those who believe in pills and make themselves suffer and those who just live their life and be happy.

Just wing it, life is too short to waste it being unhappy. If you go your own way and find happiness yourself someone may come along and like who you’ve become or they may not, but it won’t matter because you’ll already be happy

EasternToe3824 · 2022-06-08T18:02:24+00:00

The only logical path to what end?

Valoxity-_- · 2022-06-09T12:48:45+00:00

Im sorry but everytime i hear someone say something like MgToW iS tHe OnLY wAy i laugh my ass off. Yeah marriage right now is a mixed bag, but man you dont have to say it to everybody in such an arrogant manor like you’ve come to some sort of great revelation lmao😂😂😂💀💀💀

Title	No matter the "pill" you take as a man, in the long run it is no match for the nit-picky nature of women
Author	majani
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Date	May 31, 2022 2:22 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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