Can someone in the comments explain how this works?

sillymod · 2017-01-12T16:25:34+00:00

Use a little Google-Fu people. This isn't the controversy that you think it is.

http://www.dailydot.com/irl/anti-rape-poster-reddit-conversations/

steagles1 · 2017-01-12T13:53:56+00:00

I've always wondered why you're forced to live with the consequences for your drunk actions if you drive a car but coddled and told you couldn't think correctly if you had sex. Never made any sort of sense to me at all.

tadpole256 · 2017-01-12T13:42:21+00:00

Shouldn't Josie also be charged with Rape?

FuriousMouse · 2017-01-12T14:31:09+00:00

It even gets better than this.

If Josie doesn't want to sleep with Jake, drives off in her car and has an accident, Jake could be responsible for that accident.

EricAllonde · 2017-01-12T12:20:08+00:00

It's simple, just remember that when it comes to sex:

Men are always responsible for the consequences of their actions, even when they're drunk.
Women are never responsible for the consequences of their actions, even when they're sober.

Once you know that rule, it's quite obvious that:

Two drunk people having sex = the woman is a victim, the man is a rapist

EDIT: The poster is from a university, printed in 2008. For anyone who doubts that universities really do operate this way, here's a perfect example:

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a33751/occidental-justice-case/

TL;DR version: two drunk students had clearly consensual sex (the woman walked across campus to meet the man in his room, after texting her friend to say "I'm going to have sex now"). The man was expelled for rape. He then reported that the woman raped him, since he was equally drunk, but his report was dismissed without being investigated.

Another example: male student expelled for rape even though there was no victim, his girlfriend insisted the sex was all consensual, but the university ignored her statements:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/5130/guy-just-got-expelled-college-not-raping-his-amanda-prestigiacomo

Shadoe17 · 2017-01-12T11:44:48+00:00

Regardless of what feminist want you to believe, the majority of laws surrounding sex crimes, child care, marriage, and possession of personal property in America favor women in a massive way. Until recently, in many states, men couldn't even be raped, in legal terms, by a women because the laws required penetration to be a victim of rape. A few states still have this in their statutes. Women have ALL the right when it comes to child rearing and child care decisions. In order for a father to get custody of his children he must prove the mother isn't fit, where as a mother only has to prove she is fit regardless of how much better the children might be with their father.

KinglyWeevil · 2017-01-12T13:44:37+00:00

"I didn't get a DUI! My car raped me! I couldn't consent to driving it!"

v573v · 2017-01-12T13:12:16+00:00

It doesn't work unless you think that an adult woman is an oversized child.

James32015 · 2017-01-12T14:28:14+00:00

This one is pretty simple. Its just plain old sexism.

thinkdeep · 2017-01-12T13:15:52+00:00

I'm getting really sick of this shit. Thanks for posting.

ThatZenoGoddess · 2017-01-12T15:11:04+00:00

Another question. I'm a lesbian. Who's the rapist in that case? I'm a passive soft butch am I being raped?

What if I'm not drinking but she is...but still I'm passive soft butch and only go for aggressive girls.

Who's doing it now?

Edit: Important to note. Lesbians and bi women are disproportionately abused by their SOs. :|

loddfavne · 2017-01-12T15:17:44+00:00

In Western countries Jake would be charged with rape if Josie wanted it. In Saudi Arabia, Josie would be charged with indecent behavior and Jake would go free. But, the whole world would protest the inhumane actions of Saudi Arabia against poor, poor Josie.

double-happiness · 2017-01-12T15:30:00+00:00

"Assuming it is a male and female, it is the responsibility in the case of the male to gain consent before proceeding with sex..."

- Dean Sue Wasiolek, Assistant Vice President for Student Affairs and Dean of Students; Duke University

http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/a-duke-senior-sues-the-university-after-being-expelled-over-allegations-of-sexual-misconduct/Content?oid=4171302

TheKickingLegs · 2017-01-12T15:35:54+00:00

It's part of modern society's one-way interpretation of sex.

Basically it works like this: Men always want to have sex with women, so being drunk doesn't affect anything, while women are the gatekeepers of sex so being drunk lowered their defenses against the predatorial man.

Another angle: Imagine you have a security guard at the front door of a building. A guy wants to get in, whether he's been drinking or not isn't changing his goal, he just wants to get in (and being drunk might even hurt his chances). If the guard is drunk, he might go and let anyone get in, which means the guard fucked up.

That's how sex is viewed now. Women are the guardians of sex, men are just walking erections. That's the exact psychology that leads to "a man who fucks a lot of girls is a stud, a girl who fucks a lot of guys is a whore."

Well, yeah. If you're gonna define sex as a one way predator-prey relationship, it means that a man successfully got a ton of women to agree to sex with him, but it means a women just let a bunch of guys have sex with her.

The funny thing is, even altering the variables doesn't help. If the guy is way more drunk than the girl, it means he was drunk and out of control. If the girl is way more drunk than the guy, it means the guy took advantage of a drunk girl.

It fucks up gender relations for everyone. Are women delicate little flowers who need to be protected from big scary men or not?

Ixz72 · 2017-01-12T14:34:00+00:00

What if Josie made the first move?

avengerintraining · 2017-01-12T15:33:33+00:00

Can a woman argue that they weren't responsible for getting in their car and driving to get out of DUIs?

Humulus_Lupulus1992 · 2017-01-12T15:05:41+00:00

With all the recent rape cases against men by women who "take back" their consent, why do so many young men still take risks and hook up with women? Especially things like one night stands. I honestly don't get why they would take that kind of a risk.

Edit: Can't make out the organization responsible for this poster, anyone know it?

poorpersonality · 2017-01-12T13:40:01+00:00

Men should stop having sex to make single women happy.

TheEssexian · 2017-01-12T14:30:51+00:00

Yeah... I saw one the other day in a men's room that said "If you are watching it happen, you are letting it happen."

Yeah... tell that to Fran Drescher's husband., or the guys who watched their SO's get gang raped at gun point in Detroit.

I respect that people are trying to curtail rape, and empower people and women to avoid having this happen to them, but many of these are too short sighted. They need to take a step back before publishing some of this shit.

Xanza · 2017-01-12T18:16:33+00:00

This is actually a larger issue than people make it out to be. The criticism of the poster in question is that there are exactly two adults in this picture and exactly one are being held to standards of responsibility--which could ruin their entire lives over a stupid mistake they both made. The argument is that consent cannot be given while intoxicated so if intoxicated and consent is given the woman can't be held responsible for saying it was okay. But you as a man can have your entire life leveled into the ground even though you were intoxicated.

On one hand you have the University decrying the post but saying things like "lolz omg, it was 8 years ago, who cares!?" Which is kinda good, although they're not doing it in the right way.

On the other, their updated campaign (seen here) is a poster which says exactly the same thing as the last one.

It emphasises that consent cannot be given while intoxicated and sexual contact without consent (while intoxicated) is sexual assault. The only saving grace of this new campaign (which they'll hide behind) is that it's technically gender neutral. The implications of the old poster are still there.

It's the same damn campaign; women can't given consent while intoxicated (even if both are drunk and therefore neither can given consent) and any man who has sexual contact with a woman in that condition is a felon who has committed sexual assault.

My only response to this is that the CCU CARES coalition is just as fucking insane as they were 8 years ago.

InformalCriticism · 2017-01-12T14:50:45+00:00

They have to keep the private prisons full somehow.

SolongStarbird · 2017-01-12T13:28:03+00:00

Neither of the could consent yah dingus poster!

TrustButtVerify · 2017-01-12T14:32:14+00:00

Equality Yo!

gypsy_kitsune · 2017-01-12T15:41:48+00:00

And like that, hands became best friends again.

niczar · 2017-01-12T11:35:38+00:00

Isn't that satire?

Neutral_User_Name · 2017-01-12T16:08:59+00:00

Poll: should I post this on /r/Feminism ?

I don't care getting banned. 10 upvotes with a few comeon's and I do it.

pilsnerwins · 2017-01-12T14:53:21+00:00

Lol is this real?

ToDuM_PoLe · 2017-01-12T15:41:51+00:00

Josie is a cunt. That is how.

InvaderDem · 2017-01-12T14:56:39+00:00

There are some that actually have the mindset that the penetration is rape. Since women - in normal circumstances - aren't able to penetrate, they can't be at fault. The person who is doing the penetration is the problem; the other party is the victim.

NJBarFly · 2017-01-12T15:21:44+00:00

To be honest, this poster is sexist as shit against women, too. It treats them like children without agency.

Fl333r · 2017-01-12T15:12:55+00:00

Whoever made this poster should be drawn and quartered. I just can't tolerate this level of double standards.

DrFistington · 2017-01-12T15:20:17+00:00

But what about other intoxicants like prescription medications? What if Josie took a norco earlier that day and didn't tell Jake? Obviously she can't consent to anything while intoxicated, so he'd be raping her and not even know it!

This is why we need a cheap, reliable fast resulting bedside urinalysis. Without it PC douchebags won't be able to propagate the species.

TheTacoFairy · 2017-01-12T17:26:57+00:00

Hmmm... Lemme do some quick maths here...

Woman + Drunk = Not responsible for actions.

Man + Drunk = Responsible for actions.

Man + Woman + Drunk + Sexual advances by woman + Sexual advances welcomed by man = Felony + Prison for man.

How do women ever get charged with DUI?

PressedRat · 2017-01-12T14:42:47+00:00

This poster was outside of our grad office at my school for a while until someone took it down. I almost thought it was a joke.

Edit: Since some people think I am talking about this exact same poster that is apparently at Coastal Carolina University, I saw an identical copy of the poster at a different university in Arkansas. No idea why someone would think I was lying about seeing a fucking poster.

oejnaef · 2017-01-12T15:19:48+00:00

This poster is nearly 10 years old and has been reposted over and over again. http://www.dailydot.com/irl/anti-rape-poster-reddit-conversations/

Duralon · 2017-01-12T18:21:04+00:00

Men are defined as second-class citizens in many places in the western world. We can also be drafted into war, and failure to register to do so places hefty social and legal burdens upon us that are not shared by women.

chillfancy · 2017-01-12T23:05:06+00:00

I guess my fiancee and I rape each other all the time then.

Toparov · 2017-01-12T16:22:13+00:00

You probably don't actually want an explanation but it's quite simple:

Being drunk does not excuse you of your duty to follow the law (like drunk driving) but it can impair you beyond ability to consent (if you are insensate) therefore if you are drunk and the other person is drunk (and insensate) and you initiate sex you are committing rape, by the exact same standard if the man is drunk insensate and the woman initiates sex she is committing rape, it's the initiating and the insensate parts that matter.

coachbradb · 2017-01-12T13:52:02+00:00

Been asking this question for years.

monster54 · 2017-01-12T16:04:20+00:00

During a legal battle, what would happen if he says she consented and she says she didnt? Does it become he said she said? Or are men still at a disadvantage?

stephthumb · 2017-01-12T16:08:06+00:00

Jokes on you. That's why I never had sex till I was married.

Dazz316 · 2017-01-12T16:13:47+00:00

I like this poster. Short version -

Shits fucked, be careful

ThePiePieper · 2017-01-12T16:18:08+00:00

Simple, a feminist wrote it.

dalisu · 2017-01-12T16:22:12+00:00

Plot Twist: Josie identifies as a man and gets charged too.

KEK_DISCIPLE · 2017-01-12T16:24:01+00:00

Women are too stupid to be responsible for their actions.

Reckcer · 2017-01-12T16:36:37+00:00

Josie woke up in the morning and didn't enjoy the sex so she filed it as rape.

TuDaveKd · 2017-01-12T16:53:45+00:00

Seriously...The real question is, who is charged with rape if these were two women?

nuesuh · 2017-01-12T17:08:54+00:00

And what is the moral?

That women are mentally retarded and are incapable if basic communicative skills that men do with ease?

Because I think that's what the poster implies.

wiseprogressivethink · 2017-01-12T17:09:43+00:00

Women cannot be expected to act like responsible adults who possess agency, unlike men. Because male privilege.

Lindvaettr · 2017-01-12T18:54:52+00:00

Stuff like this is extremely sexist, not just against men, but against women. If both the man and the woman are drunk, but it's the man who's responsible and is a rapist, it's basically saying, "Men are strong and responsible enough to handle alcohol and make decisions well enough to be accountable when they're drunk. Women are weak and unable to make rational decisions if they've consumed alcohol, so we can't hold them accountable."

A lot of people seem to miss this nuance. There's this constant demand for women to be protected from men. Sometimes it's reasonable, but very frequently the ultimate message is "Women can't be expected to take care of themselves, so they need protection from the law."

The same goes for lots of the new consent laws that make all these exceptions. "Women must say yes, and it must be in XYZ circumstance or it doesn't count", as if women who aren't in an ideal situation totally lose the ability to think or act.

Have people always been so extremely lacking in the ability to think past the surface of an issue? Or is this a new thing?

xKEPTxMANx · 2017-01-12T19:16:37+00:00

TIL Josie is a real bitch!

buddboy · 2017-01-12T19:17:51+00:00

They are either saying one of two things...

Men are superior to women and can control themselves when drunk while women aren't smart/mature enough to

or

No one can consent to sex when drunk but only women matter enough to be protected.

Either way its fucked up

Duhmas · 2017-01-12T19:53:55+00:00

It's because women are far less capable than their counter part the attack helicopter. They can't aquire targets as well at night and are far less superior to our ability to maximize our payload. Granted they are better at carrying a larger personnel payload.

uptokesforall · 2017-01-12T20:44:09+00:00

Jake was drunk but not drunk enough to go flaccid. Josie was drunk, and drunk enough to not know what she's doing. Why jake is expected to be the one who realizes sex is a bad idea is entirely because of legal precedent. It's to remove a defense that a rapist may use if a case goes to trial.

Imo this logic only works if you can prove that jake premeditated this interaction. Because the roles could be reversed if we know that josie was buying jake drinks. We need to reinterpret past rulings with a non gendered approach. Otherwise we create avenues for malicious people to charge innocents with crimes. The law should reflect a reasonable and comprehensive understanding of the circumstances surrounding the illegal act.

decompyler · 2017-01-12T22:11:40+00:00

Didn't you hear? Women are children and are incapable of being responsible for their actions.

Roovinawitz · 2017-01-13T01:17:29+00:00

They either raped each other, or they both did something stupid and move on with their lives.

Electroverted · 2017-01-12T15:14:16+00:00

Those are private posters from a university. They don't reference any laws or statutes that are broken. They are comparable to those old and new anti-marijuana ads that warn us about how violent and deadly smoking pot will be for us. They can publish this stuff with ease simply because it's taboo to criticize it, so they know they'll get away with it.

In the end, people are going to keep smoking pot and having drunk sex. These sex neg SJWs will be gone soon enough.

lackofagoodname · 2017-01-12T21:02:03+00:00

Should be:

Jake was drunk. Josie was drunk.

Josie is a bit of a sleaze when she drinks and fucks ugly guys and regrets it the next day, and then her and her friends do Olympic worthy mental gymnastics to believe she didn't willingly fuck an ugly guy (and to justify ruining someone's life), so they call it rape.

Doesn't quite roll off the tongue though

jfcyric · 2017-01-12T14:25:26+00:00

it's simple, you tear it down.

MAGATBHFAM · 2017-01-12T17:59:05+00:00

Simple.

Women aren't responsible for their actions. Drunk or otherwise.

Men shape the world. We wield the power. We need to act like it.

Don't interact with drunk women, let alone sleep with them.

Aiipa · 2017-01-12T18:06:51+00:00

Two gay men have drunk sex

College: They are both rapists!

lscxa870 · 2017-01-12T22:23:34+00:00

Women obviously can't handle their booze. We should cut them all off.

ScotWithOne_t · 2017-01-12T15:19:16+00:00

I've never seen another picture of this poster. Is this literally the only one floating around? If so, that leads me to believe it is not some widespread campaign, and was probably taken down fairly immediately due to it's ridiculous nature.

LucyLooseMay · 2017-01-12T16:14:25+00:00

This is an old repost. Posters were put up by one person at one institution. Posters were taken down pretty quickly.

I get that because it's printed and stuck to the wall it makes you think it has some credibility, but it's just the stupid philosophies of one person, most females don't think like this.

conanthelibrarian_ie · 2017-01-12T16:13:27+00:00

I'm Irish. This means that I'm a mass rapist. 90% of the sex that happens in Ireland is drunk. Disclaimer: I don't like the men's rights movement, ye're a bunch of whiney cunts.

Recycled-michael · 2017-01-12T16:23:23+00:00

I took health in high school online and it said that if a person is under the influence of alcohol or both parties are and they have sex then it is still considered rape and you can be charged. It's messed up that the law goes that way, but if I were drunk and a woman had sex with me under the influence then it isn't rape.

sidepart · 2017-01-12T16:36:00+00:00

It's easy.

You take some tequila.
You take some sour mix.
You blend that shit with ice.
You salt the rim of margarita glasses.
You pour the slurry shit into the glasses.
RAPE!

Disc_Dude · 2017-01-12T16:47:39+00:00

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palpatine_2020 · 2017-01-12T17:17:16+00:00

most laws regarding rape consist mainly of being defined as 'penetration of the vagina or anus without consent'. as men don't have vagina's the law favors women as being the victims.

We-G · 2017-01-12T17:54:09+00:00

Right? What kind of faggot drinks a margarita straight up?

broscientologist · 2017-01-12T18:58:52+00:00

Jake could not consent but Josie knew his family was rich. Her mommy always said 'find a man in college and marry up girl'

gmcalabr · 2017-01-12T19:02:07+00:00

What if two gay guys have drunk sex? How about two lesbians? What happens then?

Bandit_Queen · 2017-01-12T19:43:54+00:00

This is bullshit! It should be 1) Man drunk + Woman drunk + Both reciprocate = Not rape, even if she doesn't remember giving consent. 2) Man drunk + Woman drunk + One of them can not reciprocate = Rape.

Storfax · 2017-01-12T19:47:46+00:00

What if Josie was pegging Jake? Would Jake still be considered the rapist?

Domri_Rade · 2017-01-12T19:57:56+00:00

you sure that's a man with that sissy drink in his hand?

meghan486 · 2017-01-12T20:24:58+00:00

We talked about this in a SOC class once and basically what my prof said was that, regardless of whether or not it was the right thing to do, legally, the male is usually charged in this situation because they think that if he was drunk enough, he wouldn't be able to get an erection. So, because he was able to get an erection, he wasn't that drunk.

It's silly logic but yeah.

ColinOnReddit · 2017-01-12T20:47:26+00:00

Only men are responsible for responsibility

Cyrino420 · 2017-01-12T21:08:17+00:00

So basically every man who has had a few drinks is a rapist? Great!

supernonhero · 2017-01-12T23:23:28+00:00

Jake can always say he identifies as a woman.

8Bit_Architect · 2017-01-12T23:44:53+00:00

Well, first a user/bot finds a controversial image, then said user/bot reposts it and reaps sweet sweet karma.

emokneegrow · 2017-01-13T00:19:37+00:00

They are obviously implying that men have a higher level of thought than women even when intoxicated. Incredibly sexist towards women IMO.

skintwo · 2017-01-13T00:35:23+00:00

How 'bout we go back and use these again?

http://imgur.com/a/YKIv0

7BOomeRanG7 · 2017-01-13T00:48:30+00:00

Josie is an attention whore with no self control. She got drunk and had sex with some dude. Feels bad about herself, blames the guy. Guy goes to jail, has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life and cannot get a job.

I've actually seen this happen, fake rape reports. Women should go to prison for lieing.

DOMinASSEMBLY · 2017-01-13T01:28:53+00:00

God dammit people. Enough with reporting this pic. It's just one giant circle jerk at this point. If I had a fucking dollar for every time someone posted this picture.

gnovos · 2017-01-13T02:00:38+00:00

Men are more responsible than women. This is why they couldn't vote for so long.

mackyogirl · 2017-01-13T02:44:12+00:00

How is a drunk guy sopposed to determine if a girl is to intoxicated to make rational decision...........not to many rational decision makeing sober women out there to start with

brucefacekillah · 2017-01-13T03:09:04+00:00

It's your responsibility to know when you've had enough to drink and not get blackout drunk. If someone was caught drunk driving is not their fault because they were too drunk to know? If you don't know your limits then you are not mature enough to have alcohol.

Puffy_Vulva · 2017-01-13T03:23:25+00:00

Feminists and the far left believe women can't be responsible for anything they do and men are always the problem and can never be victims.

hflol · 2017-01-13T03:30:13+00:00

Having a vagina is a disability apparently.

maniclurker · 2017-01-13T03:56:39+00:00

Either both should be charged with raping each other, or neither.

PulseCS · 2017-04-16T04:39:33+00:00

Did.'t she also rape him? The fuck?

-aviadi · 2017-01-12T19:39:43+00:00

Trump will step in and end this sjw bullshit. MAGA

ralphswanson · 2017-01-12T16:53:53+00:00

This is not a real campaign, but it ought to be because this is how the law works in practice. Gender Equality is newspeak for demonizing men.

broken26 · 2017-01-13T00:14:08+00:00

Did they just assume her gender?

Bman1973 · 2017-01-12T16:02:15+00:00

I don't get this one, is this insinuating that Josie was passed out? Because if it's saying that she was in fact awake and participating in sex but the next day 'decides' or can't remember having sex, can then cry 'rape'? Please tell me this is not the world we live in right now!!

HAL__Over__9000 · 2017-01-12T16:05:39+00:00

OK this is really bad. I mean I knew people thought this way, but this was put out by an actual university (unless it's fake, which I hope it is).

tonucho · 2017-01-12T16:43:03+00:00

Kind of looks like Ty Rattie

xViaox · 2017-01-12T16:43:41+00:00

The NEXT DAY. How the fuck do you arrange for a court case this serious in a day and then to be found guilty in a day. What?

TheFishSeattle · 2017-01-12T17:11:24+00:00

Man if i went to that school, there isn't the slightest chance this poster wouldn't be on the inside and the outside of my dorm door.

Aegean · 2017-01-12T17:17:45+00:00

That dude's look is hilarious and purposely placed in the advert.

Boots1303 · 2017-01-12T17:18:39+00:00

In the military it's the first one to report rape wins. This whole system is so flawed. Should just be a case by case, innocent until proven guilty.

ChaosSpacePerson · 2017-01-12T17:19:13+00:00

Maybe Jake couldn't consent, either. (you wouldn't know it by the shifty look that he's giving the camera)

Can two non-consenting adults rape each other?

jointedspagel · 2017-01-12T17:20:47+00:00

He was raped as well by that logic

JohnnyHopkins13 · 2017-01-12T17:23:56+00:00

This movement and these posters were created by the most extreme SJW liberals and everyone is afraid to say something because the crowd will look at you like you are one step away from rape.

I'm in the military and we get briefings about this every year, mandatory. I would never speak up about how this logic is flawed, I have my career to think about.

However here on Reddit, no problem. A woman who gets drunk, clearly wants sex and asks for it, should not have the ability to let her guilt ruin the mans life after the fact.

jaheiner · 2017-01-12T17:51:20+00:00

Think about it and Be Responsible?

I love how feminists and sjw's argue about how women are just as capable/smart/strong as men but can't be held accountable for their actions like a man.

If Josie was sober and Jake was drunk would she be charged with rape? Nope, cause she's a woman. Must be that Patriarchy just refusing to let them pay for their mistakes!

JackBond1234 · 2017-01-12T17:54:31+00:00

Now someone please tell the jackass I'm debating that "advise and consent" in the US constitution does not mean consent is mandatory.

cynoclast · 2017-01-12T17:57:18+00:00

The Matriarchy.

I_will_draw_boobs · 2017-01-12T17:59:16+00:00

Josie is so held down by the patriarch, that she isn't allowed to be a shit lord.

SynesthesiaBruh · 2017-01-12T17:59:32+00:00

Can someone repost this every day? We get it. Literally everyone but Tumblerinas get it...

Hiemos · 2017-01-12T18:15:40+00:00

legal consent sounds like they have to hand me some legal document to sign before i stick it in and pee

2GRL4U · 2017-01-12T18:16:57+00:00

I can only speak for what I've seen in the military. In the military it works very simply, because they said so.

General_Sheperd · 2017-01-12T18:17:29+00:00

Sexist fucks

FieryXJoe · 2017-01-12T18:31:25+00:00

I mean in the US a female cannot legally rape a male (The definition involves only being forcibly penetrated so I guess if there was pegging they could) this is something people often forget when it comes to the double standard for consent, the man legally couldn't be raped if she held him at gunpoint, being drunk wouldn't matter much either

compuwiza1 · 2017-01-12T18:32:11+00:00

Men are always held responsible, and no excuses will ever be accepted. One little taste of liquor, and a woman has a get out of responsibility free card. No matter how much she demands sex, the man is still expected to refuse. One of society's many double standards based on sex. College men, use your hand. You won't be sent to pmita prison for that.

WorshipLD · 2017-01-12T18:51:48+00:00

man is intoxicated women is intoxicated

man charged with rape woman files rape charges on man

zombiemakemelol · 2017-01-12T18:52:49+00:00

The guy looks like Dennis from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

But seriously wtf. Women can and do take advantage of men as well when they are drunk.

Ever been to a casino? Tons of free drinks, a bar every hundred yards. Why? Drunk people make bad decisions and a lot of times regret those decisions later. I've had drunk sex and regretted it later, and the girl clearly took advantage of me. I didn't scream rape, more just like, 'aww fuck, why did I do that????'

People need to grow the fuck up and stop playing the victim when it has nothing to do with the reality of what happened. Men can be taken advantage of just as easy as women, especially when alcohol is involved.

Wasteoftime01 · 2017-01-12T19:07:13+00:00

Can only work if they both were charged with rape. Better yet, neither of them.

StopTop · 2017-01-12T19:22:35+00:00

I think if something like this ever happens to me, I'll claim that I identify as a woman, then make it a national issue on discrimination against the lbgt community.

shmerk-a-berl · 2017-01-12T19:31:32+00:00

What happened to two drunk people just fucking? What is wrong with this world?

humansrpepul2 · 2017-01-12T19:43:16+00:00

Down votes incoming, but technically they raped each other, and I don't know if a single state that specifies gender. So the poster is patently false. Neither could consent. Charges could be pressed either or both ways and likely would be dismissed. Both could also be counted as rapes that went reported and dismissed though, skewing that statistic.

goodybiv · 2017-01-12T19:46:00+00:00

It's called a double standard

Drmadanthonywayne · 2017-01-12T19:50:28+00:00

Looks like a couple having a good time. Why should this be criminalized?

What kind of twisted logic labels asking a woman to take responsibility for her actions "slut shaming", yet considers ruining a man's life for the same actions "justice".

If you want to be a slut, be a slut. But don't blame someone else for your actions. Conversely, if women are such fragile little flowers, perhaps they should wear burkas and have chaperones go with them on dates.

insectplum · 2017-01-12T19:52:23+00:00

I feel like r/antijakes should be mentioned here

Liv47 · 2017-01-12T20:06:40+00:00

I've seen this poster before. If I remember correctly, it was a brief campaign that the people running it admitted wasn't well-thought-out.

RektumInsemination · 2017-01-12T20:16:34+00:00

So, they raped each other because they're both drunk. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

rationalinquisition · 2017-01-12T20:31:51+00:00

I think it has to do with penetration being required for rape in some places. Since the woman cannot penetrate the man without sticking a finger up his bum or something only the man can rape.

_LadyBoy · 2017-01-12T21:13:23+00:00

But Jake couldn't consent either?

BiskyRiscuits · 2017-01-12T21:23:01+00:00

That look on Jake's face when he knows he's about to get it in.

speisenkarte · 2017-01-12T21:28:36+00:00

Key to never being responsible: always be the drunker person. The drunker person is less able to provide consent, right?

jeffb31 · 2017-01-12T21:36:57+00:00

Josie, you're my, source of most frustration!

kaluh_glarski · 2017-01-12T21:37:51+00:00

Well... it doesn't work, it doesn't even pass the smell test. That's the problem.

slippin_squid · 2017-01-12T21:38:30+00:00

I say that they both rape each other. By that logic, two rapes cancel out to make it normal sex.

Zer0_Sanity · 2017-01-12T21:55:07+00:00

You see, if you both decided to become intoxicated, and both of you had sex while being intoxicated, only one is liable. Which one you ask? Why, the only one that was villainously tricked into sex by an evil penis monster. The woman.

Popham · 2017-01-12T22:04:46+00:00

Josie must be under age.

keepitJESUS · 2017-01-12T22:28:27+00:00

This is one of my biggest fears in life as a college student. I'm very often drunk as hell (I drink a lil too much but whatever) but I ALWAYS ask for verbal consent before hooking up with a girl. Scares me to hell knowing that this doesn't count because they're drunk.

It's different if a girl is absolutely hammered and says yes. This has happened but I back off because I know they're not in the right mindset.

Terrifies me to know that I can be charged with rape simply because a girl has had two drinks that night. Like shit, I had 12 but I'm not gonna go back on my word simply because I was drunk.

mcguyver1234 · 2017-01-12T22:32:22+00:00

Some places only consider penetrating as sex thus he would be In the wrong legallity wise.... I'd say both were drunk and made poor decisions? It'd be one thing if it were one or the other drunk but both were....Opinions?

Not_for_consumption · 2017-01-12T23:07:55+00:00

8 years is recent history. That's a poor excuse for a message that has confused some people. I'm assuming that at the time they meant that (1) an intoxicated person cannot provide consent and (2) intoxication is not a defence.

JFDreddit · 2017-01-12T23:24:32+00:00

Maybe he drank all hers too and she was like no man let me at least get a little buzzed first.

uniqueusernanne · 2017-01-12T23:31:01+00:00

Well ya see, women can never be held responsible for any of her actions. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault. She cheats on her husband? No, she was probably raped. She has sex before marriage and that's against her values? Raped. Had 100% consensual sex but regretted it later? Raped. Got catcalled walking down the street because she was half naked? Rape. Got stared at? Rape.

BarbarasRabarberBar · 2017-01-13T00:11:25+00:00

It should depend on Who was the aggressor. Men can get raped by women too.

Slicemastersliced · 2017-01-13T00:23:00+00:00

Some dumb university poster. 6; 20 year olds made it with their drunk professor on a tight deadline. Sliced.

zxcsd · 2017-01-13T00:26:53+00:00

Is anyone interested in the actual reasoning behind this or is this just venting?

Hillary_For_Prison · 2017-01-13T01:22:48+00:00

Because women are children and cannot be held accountable for their actions under even the slightest mitigating circumstances and men are adults who are responsible for their actions or inactions under all circumstances.

Jibbajabbawock · 2017-01-13T01:37:05+00:00

This post brings up a good point but fuck this the thread is getting to r/incel levels of cringiness.

BR2925 · 2017-01-13T02:33:45+00:00

I was going to say that it depends who initiated the sex. If Jake asks Josie for the sex, then Jake would be raping her. But if Josie asks Jake for the sex, then Josie would be raping him. But, they're both drunk and shouldn't be held responsible for their actions. If Jake already knew Josie was drunk and willingly asked her because he knew she'd be stupid enough to so it while drunk, that's rape. But he's ALSO drunk, so he also (shouldn't) be held responsible for his actions. Same goes with vice versa. It's a very complicated issue if they're both drunk... Hmmm

IHadToSayTheObvious · 2017-01-13T03:12:18+00:00

Move along

Nothing to see here folks

Just another dumb double standard plaguing society

greenyashiro · 2017-01-13T03:16:49+00:00

Maybe women should stop fucking drinking and be the responsible ones. I'm just saying.

ScoffLawry · 2017-01-13T04:08:31+00:00

Had to read this all the way to the bottom to realize it wasn't a poster for a shitty Rom-Com.

wlxr · 2017-01-13T05:04:43+00:00

Ah yes, feminists reducing women to children again.

RanaktheGreen · 2017-01-13T07:39:10+00:00

There was a SIMILAR incident near my University. The Judge ruled that since the female, immediately prior to the party, declined any romantic relations with the male, and that the male had significantly less alcohol in their system, that the male should be held responsible.

splodgenessabounds · 2017-01-13T08:14:27+00:00

Whenever there's a furore about sexual "consent" - whether the standard be ordinary, drunk, or enthusiastic - this short video by Hannah Wallen is never far from my mind.

In fact, this vid is so good I think it merits addition to the sidebar ---->>

Bla34112 · 2017-01-13T10:40:32+00:00

This was a real poster in 2008.

At least they were warning people... cus this is how the rules get applied.

People must've seen the blatant double standard, which is why the poster was short-lived.

Ontrus · 2017-01-13T13:44:44+00:00

The poster is not objectionable because it shows the exact legal reality.

MelkorHimself · 2017-01-13T14:11:24+00:00

If both parties are intoxicated, it's damn near impossible for a prosecutor to establish mens rea.

bobby_bobkinson · 2017-01-15T21:51:17+00:00

Basically WOMEN CANT RAPE PEOPLE JAKE IS A DISGUSTING CIS GENDER WHITE MALE, I BET HE WENT TO THAT PARTY INTENDING TO RAPE SOMEONE. ALL SEX WITH A MAN IS RAPE, DOWNVOTING THIS IS RAPE. LALALALALA. autistic screeching

tommy0b · 2017-01-12T18:10:33+00:00

It's all about tea, I like tea.

https://youtu.be/pZwvrxVavnQ

PrinceHawtbod · 2017-01-12T20:16:52+00:00

In one my law class we talked about certain situations in which discrimination is legally/constitutionally allowed. The rationale for this is basically that a woman could get pregnant. The same thinking applies to women vs men with statutory rape. I think it's still a garbage double standard though.

itsthegreek · 2017-01-13T00:59:28+00:00

So basically -Both of them are drunk -Both of them are flirting and want each other -Both of them fuck -Next day the girl regrets it for whatever reason -She says she was raped -The guy would possibly go to jail. -Even if the charge gets dropped his life is ruined because of the rape accusation. -He loses his friends, his reputation is ruined, he can't get a good job, etc.

All the while, the woman goes on with her life as if nothing happened and is still going out to drink and fuck Chads.

Seriously the woman is an adult and made the conscious decision to get drunk and then have sex with the guy. As long as she was conscious, functional(not stumbling everywhere and slurring words) and she gave verbal consent then it isn't rape. It simply means that you made a bad decision. If I get really drunk and fuck a gross girl, I'm not going to get up the next day and be like oh wow I was so drunk, I couldn't have consented to this, she raped me. (Not to mention NOBODY would take it seriously)

another_lease · 2017-01-13T01:04:49+00:00

Women don't have to have been actually drunk.

They can later simply claim they were drunk when it happened.

james_l_b · 2022-01-03T10:43:39+00:00

I was assaulted by a drunk person while at a party and I still consider it assault

yeetasourusthedude · 2022-04-04T14:04:48+00:00

men have more muscle mass on average than women, so therefore men are never the victim.

throwaway374992717 · 2022-10-15T16:20:04+00:00

Just don’t drink alcohol or interact with women.

Top_Health_4447 · 2023-02-17T20:12:45+00:00

im genuinely curious about this, assuming there was no bill cosby action going on, did they both rape each other, does it not count, do they both agree to not talk about it and go their separate ways? what happens. (in a theoretical perfectly equal world)

yeetasourusthedude · 2023-02-28T19:37:18+00:00

jakes body is more capable of handling alchohol, therefore even if jake was blackout drunk and was borderline asleep, and josie had one drop of alcohol is her blood jake is the rapist.

fuckker · 2017-01-12T18:01:58+00:00

I think there is a difference between taking a drunk person home and taking a FUCKING WASTED person home. Yeah most of the time it's just two drunk people getting it on because they are both drunk, but both genders need to recognize when the other party is much more intoxicated than they are.

Aiviish · 2017-01-12T20:54:08+00:00

I saw this once and thought of you people.

There's a lot of information missing from this scenario.

inherentvicelord · 2017-01-12T19:02:15+00:00

I think it's a problem of clarity. It should say, Jake is getting a little buzz on. Josie is plastered. That's a more solid poster.

But the problem with a poster like the one in question, is that is doesn't curtail rape. It just causes 20,000 people to split situational hairs with each other.

thewubdoctor · 2017-01-12T22:02:50+00:00

Oh look, a bunch of men shoving their dick into a problem, wonder why they can't figure it out.

fdsdfg · 2017-01-12T16:25:06+00:00

This poster is either photoshopped, or made with wrong information. The law does not work that way.

It's rape if you're too drunk to consent, meaning you're effectively passed out and can't respond, or you truly can't comprehend what is happening.

Getting someone drunk with the intent to have sex with them when their guard is down is coercion.

That's pretty much it. The poster is BS, but people love to pretend it's true and circlejerk about how unfair it is.

Lazaras · 2017-01-12T18:58:48+00:00

Simple solution: don't have sex with anyone that's drunk. If you need to bring in drinks into the equation, then you might possibly be a rapist.

ambulancePilot · 2017-01-12T16:23:39+00:00

It all comes down to penetration. Men do the penetration, so men control sex. I'm a gay man, and it's very similar in the gay community. The tops are generally in control of the sex scene.

chrisoftacoma · 2017-01-12T18:16:52+00:00

Even given the sub's name I am still surprised at how many ill-informed scumbags there are here that take their immature perspectives seriously.

fatcat99 · 2017-01-12T18:28:46+00:00

Eight year old posters are all you have impinging your "rights" as males...? Y'all have it tough!

Crying-Cat · 2017-01-12T16:51:30+00:00

9 years later and you people are still circlejerking eachother to death over the same image lmao.

nobody will ever take you seriously

Okidokicoki · 2017-01-12T16:47:21+00:00

Oh a great pic. too bad the mens rights movement is retarded. Feminism is about equality for men too.

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