Weekly Community Chat Megathread

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This weekly thread is designed to be a place for all the funny discussions on PPD. Feel free to post off-topic questions, information, points-of-view, etc......

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Women aren’t exactly privileged that men we don’t want want to stick their dicks in us.

You're privileged by the options you get. I'm sure it's not just "men you don't want" in that group, but if there's no men you do want in that group, then you're either a lesbian, downplaying those guys, or you're not good enough yourself, in which case, "beggars can't be choosers."

Just like you don’t want chicks using you for cash we don’t want men using us as masturbatory holes

Yes, but you get to control whether that happens or not. Women reserve the right to have money thrown at them as a prerequisite for being taken seriously, while women don't have to take those men seriously if they don't want to.

Being used for money is more equivalent to being raped in this scenario than being given undesirable choices to pick from.

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If I make 6 figures, Doesn’t make hot men want to fuck me, correct?

Correct, because men aren't attracted to women with money in the same way that women are attracted to men with money.

If You make 6 figures, you have tons of options of women wanting to fuck you

Correct. Hopefully you have a point to this because you're only agreeing that men have to work hard for things that women are offered for next to nothing.

Quit trying to pretend like getting your boner wet is some noble action compared to getting free meals and nice gifts. It’s no different

Surprise surprise - no point found. You also finished with a bogus conclusion that was never mentioned or implied at any point in the convo, so you get some bogus points for that.

Its different in that women don't really have to actually work for these free meals and nice gifts. They're basically handed to them. Meanwhile, men have to work for the money needed to provide those things, as well as even get to the point of being on a date at all, since that is all part of men's responsibility with regard to dating.

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It’s a problem you’re going to have to take up with Mother Nature. Because women aren’t going to “solve” it by fucking men they don’t want to fuck.

Most people in the real world have relationships. If it’s so skewed that women have such an easier time getting into relationships who the hell are they having these relationships with? Other women? You guys need to do a logic gut check before you repeat this stuff.

This isn't about victimhood. This is about women not being able to see that they are both privileged and entitled, and how that paired along with women's lower sex drives creates a problem in the dating and relationships realm.

What women don't realize is that most men would prefer to have a relationship, but

we face a similar problem of having undesirable options as well in addition to women considering a lot of men "not good enough" which leaves us pursuing sex in any way we can get it until we stumble upon a decent and attractive woman that we're willing to lay down our mantles for.

It’s always funny how men here attempt to shame women not fucking men they aren’t attracted toturn right around and admit they don’t want to date women they aren’t attracted to.

Kinda hypocritical don’t you think?

[–]TheBookOfSeil1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It’s a problem you’re going to have to take to Mother Nature. Because women aren’t going to “solve” it by fucking men they don’t want to fuck.

Blaming/Deferring to mother nature/God/Chuck Norris is mentally lazy.

Most people in the real world have relationships.

And most of those relationships don't last long because people are simply trying/acting without thinking too much. What's your point?

If it’s so skewed that women have such an easier time getting into relationships who the hell are they having these relationships with? Other women? You guys need to do a logic gut check before you repeat this stuff.

The same men. Duh. People split up and are recycled back into the dating market to be picked up by someone else. Did you think that people disappear from the dating pool after being in a relationship for some reason?

It’s always funny how men here attempt to shame women not fucking men they aren’t attracted to turn right around and admit they don’t want to date women they aren’t attracted to.

Kinda hypocritical don’t you think?

Not really considering that you're leaving out what is attractive to any particular person here. We already know now that women were fudging the truth the whole time and that personality doesn't actually matter more in their case.

Men have never claimed the BS that women have, so it's not exactly "hypocritical" since men have been honest about what they want from the start, and considering that women feel "entitled to their preferences," men can have theirs too. Still not going to change the fact about anything said previously. Women have privileges in that they don't have to put in a lot of work to obtain things at men's expense who did have to put in a lot of effort to obtain those things.

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Social privilege is a theory of special advantage or entitlement, used to one's own benefit or to the detriment of others. These groups can be advantaged based on social class, age, height, nationality, disability, ethnic or racial category, gender, gender identity, neurology, sexual orientation, and religion.[1][2] It is generally considered to be a theoretical concept used in a variety of subjects and often linked to social inequality.[2] Privilege is also linked to social and cultural forms of power.[2]

Seriously I even linked it...

Feminsits/leftist/etc... use victimhood as a form of 'power'. They attempt to form a moral argument that because they are worse off, other's must acquiesce to their demands. Course, this then requires them to always be a victim, hence the constant 'one up manship'.

Can't have men being the bigger victim, this would mean a loss of power. So women try to take the power back by either showing how that they are the bigger victim, or that male victimhood isn't legit.

This is why right after denial, the second most popular BP argument is 'women have it worse'.

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Two guys told me how good of a woman I am. They told me I was the kind to be taken seriously because I was well behaved and not sleeping around like all those other women who they would only use for sex. Even though I wasn't interested in those guys, I found the comments incredibly off-putting and would have definitily turned them down if I were dating them.

Today I realize the reason: -you don't tell your boss how good, responsible and diligent he is, but he does it to you -you don't pat your parents, aunts, uncles and older neighbors on the head while telling them that they are good boys and girls, but they did it to you when you were little -you don't tell your teacher "good job, this is how you do it" when they finish their lesson, but they do it to you

Head patting over good behavior almost always happens with someone who is judging from the perspective of an authority figure. If a potential partner does this to you, then you can imagine where you stand with them.

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I had a guy tell me a story how he “ran a train” on some chick in college. He went on to tell me how he liked me because I “would never do something like that and am wifey material.”

I was turned off.

1) He participated in this “train” but is judging the woman harshly for it. His participation was gross. But also his bold hypocrisy (I don’t care that men and women “are different”) really turned me off.

2) He seemed to only think of me as “wifey” material because he assumed my sexual history to be chaste. Again. Something about a man damn near boasting about running a train on someone but wanting a woman who is sexually inexperienced is a huge turn off to me. And only being valued because of that assumption also didn’t really make me feel warm and fuzzy. Seemed sort of gross too.

So I didn’t think he was viewing me as a subordinate (though maybe) but I was severely turned off by everything he was saying. Me as he was talking.

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Head patting from one supposed equal to another is condescending.

Why are you looking at this as some sort of dominance hierarchy? From my perspective, this is just a deeper form of complimenting.

I'm not talking about a guy who made an innocent compliment. They patted me on the head for not engaging in behavior that they engage in themselves and look down on people who do.

What exactly was the context because you seem to have left that out. Also, are you taking issue with the "head-patting," or your perceived hypocrisy of them?

Imagine if I told you "good boy, saving his money like he should and not throwing it around. Not like the other guys that keep simping around and are only good for their wallets".

Depending on the context, it could either sound like cute circle-jerking sarcasm, or slightly patronizing/moralizing.

The fact that I basically justify using men for money, while judging your behavior around the issue should make you disgusted.

I mean like it or not, this topic and comments related to it are going to be somewhat sexist because both sexes have preferences for the other that they find attractive. Head-patting a woman for not being a sloot is more common than you may think, and regardless of how you personally feel about it.

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What bothers me is the hypocrisy plus the expectation that I should be ok with it.

I'm not sure if there was a consideration of whether you were "ok" with it or not. It probably didn't matter to them. Best case scenario is nothing happens. Worst case is that you somehow feel offended by it when it wasn't meant to offend.

I understand that many people hold double standards when dating, but it doesn't mean that I should accept those standards in potential partners.

Right. You don't have to, but if this is just preference speaking, I don't think it would matter that much that they enjoy casual sex but are looking for women with lower body counts whom they consider "relationship material." That's basically what it is to be dating as a man, currently.

Men (rightfully) avoid women who expect a millionaire while being broke themselves. They're not expected to play hard to get with their wallets to gain respect from some self-entitled golddigger. As a woman, however, I am expected to assume that all men want easy sex and withhold sex to be judged as "girlfriend material" by those same men. The idea of trying to get respect from someone like this is nauseating.

Yes, it is nauseating for both sides, but that is what the current dating situation is in the US, and people put up with it because they have more to gain from it than serving someone else's imperatives who aren't centered around the other person's best interests either.

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I'm not sure if there was a consideration of whether you were "ok" with it or not.

There was. I think one of them was interested in me. I've also dumped men I was dating over similar comments/behaviors.

Yes, it is nauseating for both sides, but that is what the current dating situation is in the US, and people put up with it because they have more to gain from it than serving someone else's imperatives who aren't centered around the other person's best interests either.

I'm not from the US. I grew up in Latin America and double standards over there, at least from what I've researched, seem to be way worse. I frequented a psychology group and double standards where at the back of most relationship issues we witnessed. The acceptance of those double standards for most of these women (myself included) wasn't driven by some benefit but by costs imposed by the double standard itself in the form of stigma. Dead bedrooms were common because many women were uncomfortable having sex even after starting a relationship. Plenty of these women got cheated on and abandoned with their children because downside of double standards that work against you is that your standards for the other person lower and bad behavior becomes expected. Many of them grew bitter when they realized the "commitment" they got from these men as a reward for being girlfriend material was a bag of poisoned sweets.

I wouldn't be surprised that many of the problems that TRP and FDS complain about also have their origin in all kinds of double standards against men and women.

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Thats not how it works

Blackpill is basically about genes and factors that you cant control

Looks is the most important one of those

When you are physically attractive people are nice to you and interact with you more in a positive way so you develop a positive feedback loop and your personality gets better

Personality here means the things that are sexually attractive to women things like confidence/arrogance and all that and some other traits that arent related to dating so im not gonna talk abou them

In dating lets say that the red pill believes that looks are 50% or 40% of the equation and the rest is bout your frame and all that nonsense the black pill believes that looks are say 80% or 70%

A 6/10 isnt gonna get laid due to his looks alone with a woman in his general league(say 4 5 6) he still needs some personality to seal the deal

But he will get laid with a 1 2 3 woman due to his looks alone and minimum personality requirement

Same thing happens with a 9/10 or 8.5/10 aka chad who can get laid with a 6 or 7 and under due to his looks alone

This 9/10 guy isnt getting a 9 or 8/10 girl with his looks alone

Due to online dating and social media your average 5/10 woman is gonna be exposed to these guys and their standards will shoot through the roof and theyll treat the guys who are in their league worse

This is where looks are everything becomes true for guys in the 6 and under/10 because they cant compete

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Do redpillers and blackpillers really want to re-engineer society? They believe the laws of attraction are based on biology as opposted to socialization, the latter especially. Feminists believe in socialization and that's why they focus on policies and cultural initiatives to change society,. Blackpillers can't imagine solutions while redpillers want to learn how to exploit the system at their advantage, a system that is based on biology and thus can't be changed - only exploited.

You attitude is admirable but there's a big difference between having few options and never having had one, these are the guys who complain and it's interesting to see that you fall to grasp it so I'll try giving you a hint. Answer honestly:

Do you think that you would take singlehood well without being said if you had been rejected for all their life and never received any compliment or positive feedback on you desirablity?

Heck, a lot of (not all) women get sad just from looking at pictures of attractive women on Instagram, on TwoXChromosome there are threads with 20k upvotes from women complaining that men want to date only women who shave their body hair, others get sad just because their partners watch porn, this is nothing compared to having been ejected for all your life. Meawnhile, some men (not all) get rejected all the time. This has a mental toll when rejection is the only thing you have ever known. Personally, as a straight man, i just go on gay dating apps to feel desired because gay men re not as picky as women looks-wise on these platoforms, I'd need to use a Chadfish to get the same treatment from straight women.

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Actually I think it’s women who went her Mr. Right who strikes the perfect balance of alpha/beta traits from the beginning. She dates around to try to snag him / find him. But that isn’t her first choice.

I could say that you're talking about a specific group of women here, but you could also say that I'm talking about a specific group of men in my comment. Maybe both exist at the same or similar times and also not at the same time. Nearly everyone on both sides goes through a "hoe phase" where they're having sex with a lot of people, but as people get older, they want someone they can identify and share good times with.

I think it’s men whose first choice imperative is to have as much NSA sex as he wants with as many people and then settle down with a modest pure women, who also hopefully doesn’t mind if he has NSA sex with other ppl if he desires.

Nah. Men don't exactly face the same "biological clock" problem that women do, so men can sleep around with women and then search for Ms. Right, but I think that has more to do with their circumstances than some innate choice.

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Then those girls will be more inclined to wait, and will have a low ncount to reflect that fact.

I know this statement might not be flattering when held up against the choices you may have made, but that's reality: girls who have a strong pair bonding instinct are more inclined to have a low n count or no ncount, its simply a survival instinct that is baked in.

Some girls actually delude themselves and wait for a prince charming, like in the books and movies, and they get scared of having sex until someone confident enough comes along to take the reigns and show them how to be a woman.

I know we like to go on about how all women are sluts and none of them can be trusted but some are "better" than others and there's a lot more of them around than both the feminists and the redpill crowd give them credit for, they just require work (mainly self improvement and discipline) to keep around and maintain.

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Difference between dopamine and serotonin. Women going through guys are like addicts, they even start to look strewn out like one after awhile in my experience and the testimonies from other men. Its not so much fun rather than addicting.

Not at all! I pair-bond just fine when I want to. But some men are like a Lambo that you want to keep in your garage forever and polish lovingly, while others are more like a rental car that you only need to get from Point A to B, then you turn it back in and let someone else drive it. They both serve their purposes.

You just prove my point here. You're probably not ltr material when compared to your peers with a stronger pair bonding instinct and while exceptions to the rule do exist, I'd probably lose money if I bet you were one of those exceptions. Women with a strong pair bonding agent don't do "rental cars" because they don't want to. They either want their forever car they can "fall in love with" or nothing at all. They'd rather go home alone than fuck a lower value male to pass the time. They feel entitled to better deals, whereas women low in pair bonding instinct are for "fun" as you put it because ultimately they are the ones left holding the bag.

Notice how of all the demographics complaining at "old" age about being alone and single after a long list of partners, you never see actual high value men complaining about "where are all the good women at". This leads me believe that low value partners of both sexes are the ones left holding the bag when it comes to their respective long term perspectives for actual happiness. You're not so much renting a car as you are being the car that is rented out.

That doesn't mean that a LVM won't be chomping at the bit to wife you up, but it would be a tough sell for you to "wife up" to an actual High value male and even if you do, you're relying more on his ignorance rather than anything you're bringing to the table.

This doesn't mean you don't have any value. This doesn't mean I wouldn't fuck you. Hell, we'd probably have fun together. But if I had a lineup of women and you were in it, and you were the hottest girl there who sucked my dick the best, and I had a few others including a girl who wasn't as hot or experienced with little or no n count, I'd LTR her up everytime over you and the others. Nothing personal, just the market at work. You're not necessarily a bad deal, but you're not the best deal.

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I'm amazed that someone your age holds the views that you do. IMO, our generation had a much more relaxed (and healthy) view of sexuality than does the current one, which seems to me to be an odd mix of puritanism and perversion.

As to your second point, I've been in a relationship for a long time, but prior to that I enjoyed the kind of youth that was common for our generation (which gave us hit songs like "Peaceful Easy Feeling" and "D'ya Think I'm Sexy?"). So yeah, I had FWBs and casual sex in between monogamous relationships. I had a gigantic good time and regret none of it! When I settled down, I never had to wonder whether I'd missed out on anything or if the grass was greener, etc. (It probably helps that I have a partner whom I lowkey stalked for years before actually having a shot at him. Heh!)

Now obviously a woman could have the same experience by simply dating a number of guys without actually sleeping with them (and given modern STD rates, that's perhaps advisable) but I'm afraid my sex drive was way too high for me to abstain from temptation. lol

P.S. Congrats on the kid! That's quite the age gap. I can only think of two couples that I've known IRL with similar ones. One was a co-worker back in the days I did restaurant work while putting myself through college. She was around 40; her husband was approaching 80 and they still had a loving relationship as far as I could tell. It was a sensitive subject for her though; I mean, you could tell that she was used to people making a big deal of the age gap and she wanted to shy away from the topic.

In another case, a man I had dated briefly married a 20-year-old girl when he was in his late 40's. She was pregnant of course. They had three kids in rapid succession, then she left him for a fellow her own age. He tried to pull a fast one with the court system by being cagey about his earnings (he worked on a family farm) and the judge evidently got fed up, imputed his income and stuck him with a whopping-high support order! I mean, he really got burned. He is close to retirement age now and will be liable for making those big payments for another decade. Ouch. Don't be that guy, eh?!

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I think where you got it wrong is that the reason women don't prioritize sex is not because of bad options, but because they don't want it like men want it.

To give an example, let's describe libido as hunger. Men are more hungry at any given time than women, so women being offered sex is like being offered employee appreciation day food at work when they aren't very hungry. Women respond with "Eh, I'm good, but even if I was hungry I probably still wouldn't eat it because it's cheap and bland. Where's the restaurant entrees?"

Meanwhile, men in the same situation being hungry will take what's available to them and also understand that they might not be in a position to ask for more/better, while women seem to think that they deserve better regardless of where they are or what work they do.

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I saw a Twitter thread that countered the outrage about the following potential tax increase:

"His [Biden's] plan has called for raising the top tax rate to 39.6%, from 37%, for those who earn more than $400,000." (CNBC)

The OP of that thread asked everyone to participate in The Wall Street Journal's survey:

What Percent Are You?

Are you the 1% or the 99%? How about among millennials? Or high-school dropouts? Here’s how your income compares with your fellow Americans.

Here's the survey.

Some takeaways:

Making $10K annually places you in the 80th percentile overall.
Making $27K annually places you in the 50th percentile overall.

::Making $30K means you make more than over 50% of earners in America.::

Making $55K annually places you in the top 23rd percentile overall.
Making $100K (six figures) annually places you in the top 8th percentile overall.
Making $306K annually places you in the top 1st percentile overall.

Tl;dr: Most Americans are not rolling in cash. Let's all level-set a bit here. The wealth is concentrated towards a de minimis sliver. Everyone else fights over the remaining. Hunger Games ensue. This was an insightful comment highlighting that.

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you claimed you weren’t arguing in bad faith and were only asking if i was looking for things that only benefit me, but you’re never looking for a genuine debate. you had an unspoken underlying motive to prove something that wasn’t even true in an attempt to put me down or make me look bad or make some example out of me about “horrible modern women.”

you just admitted it yourself, just with less detail.

https://lifehacker.com/how-to-shut-down-bad-faith-debates-on-social-media-1829695301

Political strategist Aaron Huertas lays out a comprehensive guide to these pseudo-debaters in “A Field Guide to Bad Faith Arguments.” He explains the futility of debating with these people on their terms, and instead recommends a strategy for each type of bad-faith debater. For example:

The “cartoon strawmanner” presents counter-arguments to something you never actually claimed; they’re fought by pointing out that no one claimed it.

The “lie detector,” an evolved form of the strawmanner, insists you mean what you don’t mean, and should be mocked for acting like a psychic.

The “purity tester” points out that sometimes, advocates of your view have behaved hypocritically, or in a way that looks hypocritical if you squint, real judgmental-like. They’re bullshitting you, they don’t really care about ideological purity. Ask them whose authority they believe in.

you’ve done all 3. ☺️

http://aphilosopher.drmcl.com/2020/12/11/arguing-good-and-bad-faith/

Arguing in bad faith is not the same thing as arguing badly, but it usually involves making bad arguments with dubious premises. As with good faith, bad faith is a matter of intention. When a person argues in bad faith, they intend to deceive and mislead when engaged in argument. A person can engage in bad faith arguing in many ways.

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The parts where you defer to your husband which you characterized as losing your freedom.

i did not. this is why you’re arguing in bad faith, you continue to state i made statements i didn’t. this is how you interpreted my comments.

your interpretation of what i said /= what i actually said.

my exact words were “deferring to my husband on things that affect our relationship, lifestyle, or children is fine. deferring to my husband on this that affect me, and solely me, is something i’m not willing to do.” and “i should have the right to say no, set boundaries, and refuse to do anything that compromises my dignity.”

You never made any argument that started with "no I don't only want the parts that benefit me" or "here are the parts of trad that don't benefit me that I accept as part of the trad deal"

i quite literally stated that both myself and my husband are expected to fulfill these gender roles and i’m not only doing what benefits me.

That's why I'm not bad faith debating for it to be a debate there must be clearly stated positions.

there were.

and this is a debate sub. that wasn’t a discussion, it was clearly meant to be a debate.

Instead when I said you only wanted the parts that benefit you, you started explaining why you didn't want to let the man have final say which of course is the aspect of trad which you agree doesn't benefit you.

no, you just lack reading comprehension skills; because nowhere did i say any of that. go back and read that thread one more time.

in fact, i dare you to quote where i said i don’t want the man to have final say.

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and remember when i said those weren’t my opinions but what people tend to believe trad relationships are like?

So you DID say what I said that you said, but you ALSO said that wasn't your opinion

But we aren't arguing what your opinion of a trad relationship is! We are arguing about whether or not you're embracing every aspect of trad or just the ones that benefit you, remember?

So stop telling me you didn't say things you did just because you made a clarifying statement that I didn't include! Lmfao.

an argument can’t progress if one party doesn’t even understand the other’s argument and continues projecting their own idea of what the other’s argument is (not that other’s actual argument) onto them.

Your opinion on what is trad is not relevant because you can redefine it however you want then claim you're trad.

Am I right if I said my opinion of a trad relationship is one where I get to cheat but my gf doesn't?

No. That is not trad. What is or was trad is commonly known. The man had final say in all matters.

Did you or did you not say you did not want your man to be able to make decisions that pertain to you alone. Yes or no. Stop derailing. Stop saying you didn't say things you did just because I didn't also restate the thing you said after.

Have some fucking honesty here dude

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So you DID say what I said that you said, but you ALSO said that wasn't your opinion

But we aren't arguing what your opinion of a trad relationship is! We are arguing about whether or not you're embracing every aspect of trad or just the ones that benefit you, remember?

So stop telling me you didn't say things you did just because you made a clarifying statement that I didn't include! Lmfao.

don’t be disingenuous. you clearly took me stating what other people’s opinions are of trad relationships as me stating that i’m only taking on the parts that benefit me (as if they were my opinions).

so i had to defend myself by saying these aren’t things i’m saying, as in these aren’t things i believe. these are things other people believe.

so my opinion is relevant because i’m having on to correct you what my opinion is, since you’re using the opinions i stated (that weren’t mine) as the basis of your argument that i “only want the benefits” of being trad and “none of the tradeoff.”

you didn’t include the clarifying statement because the clarifying statement proves these weren’t my opinions and you’re arguing against arguments i never made.

Your opinion on what is trad is not relevant because you can redefine it however you want then claim you're trad.

and your opinion on it isn’t either.

Am I right if I said my opinion of a trad relationship is one where I get to cheat but my gf doesn't?

what’s right and wrong is subjective.

No. That is not trad. What is or was trad is commonly known. The man had final say in all matters.

that’s your opinion. again, there’s is no rule book that says this is absolute fact.

what is and isn’t traditional is subjective too.

so if someone chooses to hold the opinion that my relationship isn’t trad because i don’t defer to my husband to ask him what time i’m allowed to wash my ass, again, “then so be it.”

Did you or did you not say you did not want your man to be able to make decisions that pertain to you alone. Yes or no. Stop derailing.

now you’re switching up again, because before it was “Did you or did you not admit you didn't want your man to have final say in everything?” now it’s this.

i said i’m unwilling to defer to him on things that affect me and me only, and have no issue deferring to him on things that affect our marriage, our lifestyle, or our children.

i even clarified what i interpreted “in everything” as:

when i think of “[having final say] in everything” i think “okay, does that mean my husband gets final say in what i eat for breakfast every morning? or what time i go to bed at night? or when i wash my ass?” now, the obvious answer is “no, that’s ridiculous. you’re not a slave.” which is why i said i want to be a wife, not a slave.

okay, then that means i still have some agency and deferring to my husband for any and every single decision that doesn’t need to involve him is not necessary.

you stated there’s no reason for a traditional husband to go against his wife’s wishes all the time. okay then, so that means his wife has options, has a say in things (even if she doesn’t make the final decision on all of them), and is not a slave. you stated that the woman having no control is catastrophizing. okay, so that means she does have some control.

so why, then, is my relationship suddenly not trad and i “only want the benefits” because i said i shouldn’t have to defer to my husband for/should have control over things that affect only myself? (and i equated “things that only affect myself” to what i eat, when i go to bed at night, when i can take a shit, and when i’m allowed to wash my ass).

if i have no option but to defer to my husband on those things, then i’m a slave. if i’m allowed to do those things at will, then i’m not a slave and do not have to defer to him concerning those things.

again, if that means my relationship isn’t trad to you then so be it. i don’t gaf what you think is and isn’t trad. you’re not sky daddy, you don’t decide what is and isn’t.

Stop saying you didn't say things you did just because I didn't also restate the thing you said after.

no, i’m saying i didn’t say things because i actually didn’t say them.

here‘s a list of the things you accused me of saying that i never said:

“You're saying you should have zero responsibility to cater to your partners opinions”
“behaving as if giving someone veto powers is akin to being a lifeless choice less doll”
“There's no reason to suspect you'd have no control.”

you also stated (paraphrased) that i said i “refuse to fulfill my roles but expect him to fulfill his,” “only want the benefits and none of the tradeoff,” and a woman deferring to her husband is the same as her never having a say.

i didn’t say these things.

Have some fucking honesty here dude

no, you have some honesty. first it’s “she has a say, she has some control.” then it’s “not deferring to your husband for absolutely everything isn’t trad.” which one is it? because it can’t be both, and i already explained what i interpreted “absolutely everything” as.

if she has a say, has some control, and can say no; then that means she doesn’t need to defer to him on every single thing. if she doesn’t have to ask him when she’s allowed to take a shit and can do so at will, that means her husband doesn’t have the final say on that; which means he doesn’t have “final say on absolutely everything.”

if she has to defer to him all the time and cannot do anything at will or without permission because husband must have the final say, then she doesn’t have a say (which is akin to being a slave).

so which one is it?

and stop lying and saying you didn’t accuse me of making claims i never made.

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you’re, again, using these statements to prove i want the benefits of a trad relationship without the tradeoff. they’d have to be my actual opinions for that to be valid though.

and yes, it does matter. how are you gonna tell me it doesn’t matter that your argument is based on statements i never said were my own beliefs?

your exact words: “Remember when I said you were catastrophizing?”

my next comment: says that i wasn’t catastrophizing by stating what other people think of trad relationships.

you: uses this to say i’m lying about everything and lying about never having made statements you accused me of making that i never made.

now you’re trying to harp on this super hard because you want so badly to prove any negative thing about me just because i was born with female sex organs and managed to prove you wrong.

first of all, nowhere did i state i never mentioned anything about how people believe trad relationships are tyrannical dictatorships.

second of all, i specifically highlighted the things you accused me of saying that i never said (so as to avoid you doing the exact thing you’re doing right now) and you conveniently skipped over that and ignored my actual arguments to try to trip me up. nowhere in that list was a statement saying i never said what other people think about trad relationships.

i didn’t say everything you claim i said was never something i said, i said you accused me of making arguments i never made and then stated which exact arguments i never made. just because i make a statement describing how people tend to feel about something doesn’t mean i believe the same thing.

you can’t deny that you used that to make the argument that i don’t want to take on my responsibility in trad relationships. you can’t admit your argument is built on a flimsy foundation, because you made it with the assumption that those were my opinions when they’re not.

you’re being soooooo disingenuous and you know it! you know damn well if i say “people say grapes are good because they’re purple” and you say “oh, so you’re saying grapes are good because they’re purple?” then me responding with “i didn’t say that, i said people say that. those aren’t my opinions.” isn’t lying. you’re literally using statements i don’t believe in to push the argument that i’m engaging in a certain behavior or have a certain mindset. why can’t you just admit to it?

and what am i lying about? i can’t admit to something that isn’t true.

who’s derailing now? because every time i ask you the same questions, you keep ignoring them to keep trying to argue about some bullshit so you can avoid admitting that you were wrong about me. you want so badly to “win.”

i’m gonna ask you one more time to address this. if your next comment doesn’t, i’m either going to ignore you entirely or simply block you because you’re obviously just trolling at that point.

first it’s “she has a say, she has some control.” then it’s “not deferring to your husband for absolutely everything isn’t trad.” which one is it? because it can’t be both, and i already explained what i interpreted “absolutely everything” as.

if she has a say, has some control, and can say no; then that means she doesn’t need to defer to him on every single thing. if she doesn’t have to ask him when she’s allowed to take a shit and can do so at will, that means her husband doesn’t have the final say on that; which means he doesn’t have “final say on absolutely everything.”

if she has to defer to him all the time and cannot do anything at will or without permission because husband must have the final say, then she doesn’t have a say (which is akin to being a slave).

so which one is it?

when i said you’re twisting my words, that’s because you are. i didn’t say deferring to my husband’s leadership was a problem because i was worried about washing my ass, that’s you twisting my words and telling me i’m lying because i said those weren’t my words (and no, projecting your interpretations of someone else’s statement is not paraphrasing). i actually specified under which terms i was willing to defer to my husband.

i said if i have to ask my husband for permission to wash my ass, i am essentially a slave who has no say. if i am allowed to do that at will, with or without his permission, that means my husband doesn’t have final say on when i wash my ass. i do. that means husband doesn’t have “final say on absolutely everything.”

you said, in your own words, that a woman still has a say and has some control in a trad relationship. okay, so if she has a say and can do these things at will, it is her who has final say on those things. how can her husband have final say on things she doesn’t need permission for?

if i’m not trad because i wanna be able to take a shower at will, “then so be it.” what good reason is there for a grown ass adult to need permission to take a shower?

now, we can discuss this further if you can manage to be civil for once in your life.

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I've already addressed this argument why are you repeating yourself?

Your opinion on what is trad is not relevant because you can redefine it however you want then claim you're trad.

Am I right if I said my opinion of a trad relationship is one where I get to cheat but my gf doesn't?

No. That is not trad. What is or was trad is commonly known. The man had final say in all matters.

Did you or did you not say you did not want your man to be able to make decisions that pertain to you alone. Yes or no. Stop derailing. Stop saying you didn't say things you did just because I didn't also restate the thing you said after.

Have some fucking honesty here dude

Remember? Why are you circling back to the same argument I already defeated?

you can’t deny that you used that to make the argument that i don’t want to take on my responsibility in trad relationships.

Why would I?

you can’t admit your argument is built on a flimsy foundation, because you made it with the assumption that those were my opinions when they’re not.

It doesn't matter if those are your opinions on what trad is. I'm not interested in you redefining trad to suit what you want.

i said if i have to ask my husband for permission to wash my ass, i am essentially a slave who has no say.

2 things you lied about having said, now you admit you said them.

if i am allowed to do that at will, with or without his permission, that means my husband doesn’t have final say on when i wash my ass. i do. that means husband doesn’t have “final say on absolutely everything.”

The difference being he COULD tell you not to wash your ass. He would have that authority in a trad relationship. The question of whether or not he WOULD is another topic entirely and subjective.

You said you didn't want him to have say over that, don't lie again and say you didn't, therefore you don't want the parts of trad that you see wouldn't benefit you. All this ridiculous nonsense you're pulling is irrelevant.

now you’re trying to harp on this super hard because you want so badly to prove any negative thing about me just because i was born with female sex organs and managed to prove you wrong.

It's so cute that you think you proved me wrong. About what exactly?

And maybe if you stopped thinking my motivation is hating people with vaginas we could have an actual discussion. You're more focused on attacking me and the motives you assign to me than actually having a discussion.

I'm the one not being civil while you try to portray me as someone who is so sexist I'm angry that you're a woman and you "proved me wrong" which you did not.

What did I do or say that wasn't civil.

To summarize.

You said the things I claimed you did, which you lied about saying. You claim you lied because I was insinuating these were your opinions you stated, but your opinion on the matter is irrelevant because we're not talking about what you think is trad.

You tell me I'm lying every time I paraphrase you even though you're literally lying and I've caught you about 4 times forcing me to go back to your comments to prove them just to derail the convo.

You continually assume my motivations and base the idea that I'm wrong off of the motivations that you made up for me.

This is ridiculous adhom nonsense, you're focusing on everything except the actual point of the convo because you and I both know you have no decent argument.

You lost this argument. You want only the parts of trad that benefit you and its been proven several times not only through your own statements, but by your continual lying and derailing. Try harder next time. Focus on arguing your point and not attacking the other person because of the motive you imagine them having. Don't assume things. Don't derail. Don't lie about having said things and stop saying paraphrasing is lying.

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I've already addressed this argument why are you repeating yourself?

because you keep repeating yourself and seem to have a bizarrely twisted view of the argument that took place.

Your opinion on what is trad is not relevant because you can redefine it however you want then claim you're trad.

and, as i said before, this is your opinion.

Did you or did you not say you did not want your man to be able to make decisions that pertain to you alone. Yes or no. Stop derailing. Stop saying you didn't say things you did just because I didn't also restate the thing you said after.

i already addressed this.

Remember? Why are you circling back to the same argument I already defeated?

because you keep twisting my words.

Why would I?

thank you for admitting it. see? wasn’t that hard.

It doesn't matter if those are your opinions on what trad is. I'm not interested in you redefining trad to suit what you want.

except it does, because you used those opinions as the basis of your argument (which was an argument about what i want in a trad relationship) when they’re not my opinions. the whole argument was about what i want, my opinion is very much relevant. you just keep saying it’s not because it doesn’t suit your narrative.

i said if i have to ask my husband for permission to wash my ass, i am essentially a slave who has no say. if i have a say and can wash my ass at will, i’m not a slave. i don’t see how my relationship isn’t trad because i feel i should have the right to take care of my needs at will and to tell my husband no if he asks me to do things that compromise my dignity (like telling me i’m not allowed to take a shower).

that means he doesn’t have “absolute final say in everything.” he has final say when it makes sense for him to have the final say and his final say is not compromising my basic human rights. again, if that’s not trad to you, “then so be it.”

2 things you lied about having said, now you admit you said them.

again, this wasn’t on the list of things you accused me of saying that i never said.

again, i didn’t say everything you accused me of saying wasn’t true. i specified what exactly i was talking about. stop misconstruing that to try to paint me out as a liar.

if i am allowed to do that at will, with or without his permission, that means my husband doesn’t have final say on when i wash my ass. i do. that means husband doesn’t have “final say on absolutely everything.”

The difference being he COULD tell you not to wash your ass. He would have that authority in a trad relationship. The question of whether or not he WOULD is another topic entirely and subjective.

You said you didn't want him to have say over that, don't lie again and say you didn't, therefore you don't want the parts of trad that you see wouldn't benefit you.

thank you for finally addressing that directly.

so now, is a relationship now not trad if husband tells wife she’s not allowed to wash her ass and she says “no, i’m going to do it anyway?” because you did say the wife has a say and has the right to say no.

It's so cute that you think you proved me wrong. About what exactly?

that i want all the benefits of a trad relationship with none of the “tradeoff.”

all you’ve done is continue to say this is true because i’m not acquiescing to your opinion of a trad relationship is, and then move the goalpost 5000 times.

And maybe if you stopped thinking my motivation is hating people with vaginas we could have an actual discussion. You're more focused on attacking me and the motives you assign to me than actually having a discussion.

maybe if it didn’t seem like that was your motivation in every “discussion” i’ve ever had with you, i wouldn’t believe that. every “discussion” with you is just you being passive aggressive and projecting (and, sometimes, insulting).

again, nobody’s attacking you. i’m sorry if you feel attacked, but telling the truth from my perspective isn’t an attack.

I'm the one not being civil while you try to portray me as someone who is so sexist I'm angry that you're a woman and you "proved me wrong" which you did not.

all while you continue to try to portray me as a selfish woman who just wants all the benefits with none of the work, to confirm your biases that women only ever want the benefits without the “tradeoff.”

What did I do or say that wasn't civil.

i’ve already summarized this many comments ago.

You said the things I claimed you did, which you lied about saying.

there are things you claimed i said that i actually did not say, and i specifically pointed those things out so you couldn’t try to misconstrue it like you are now.

You claim you lied because I was insinuating these were your opinions you stated, but your opinion on the matter is irrelevant because we're not talking about what you think is trad.

we’re not talking about what i think is trad, but you’re basing your argument off what you believe i think is trad. are you not? because if not, then how else do you come to the conclusion that i only want the benefits and none of the “tradeoff?” that literally requires that i state my opinion on whether or not i want that “tradeoff.”

You tell me I'm lying every time I paraphrase you even though you're literally lying and I've caught you about 4 times forcing me to go back to your comments to prove them just to derail the convo.

i tell you that you twist my words (and you also don’t seem to know what the English definition of paraphrasing is) because you twist my words.

You continually assume my motivations and base the idea that I'm wrong off of the motivations that you made up for me.

yes, this is true. i’m allowed to make whatever assumptions i want, as are you.

just like you made up your assumptions about me and continue to project them.

This is ridiculous adhom nonsense, you're focusing on everything except the actual point of the convo because you and I both know you have no decent argument.

as if you did?

i think what you’re not understanding is we’re not arguing on your terms. you want this argument to be solely about what you want out of it, and that’s not how this goes. just because i’m saying things that aren’t helping your argument doesn’t mean they’re not relevant, they’re just not relevant to your point. they’re relevant to mine though, and my point is different than yours. we both have different points; and if this is an argument, then i have every right to make statements in an effort to get my point across.

You lost this argument.

your opinion is valid.

all you’ve done is argue in support of your opinion, which can’t truly be right or wrong.

who “wins” and who “loses” is also a matter of opinion.

You want only the parts of trad that benefit you and its been proven several times not only through your own statements, but by your continual lying and derailing. Try harder next time. Focus on arguing your point and not attacking the other person because of the motive you imagine them having. Don't assume things. Don't derail. Don't lie about having said things and stop saying paraphrasing is lying.

i feel i’ve been genuine from the beginning. i stated very clearly what i’m willing to give in return for my husband fulfilling his role, it is you who has decided this isn’t traditional because i decided i have the right to say no to my husband and shower at will.

this is why the argument is in bad faith. your opinion of what is and isn’t trad isn’t fact, it’s not absolute; so you were going to “win” the argument in your mind anyway, because i was never going to acquiesce to your narrow opinion (not fact, but opinion) of what a trad relationship is; and i’m sure you already knew that. you are not God or the encyclopedia or the dictionary, you don’t define what is and isn’t traditional. i don’t care if that’s not relevant to you, because that’s my point.

for the last time, if my relationship isn’t trad to you because i feel i should have the right to wash my ass at will, then so fucking be it. i don’t give a fuck what you think is and isn’t trad.

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We've been through this.

It's not MY definition of trad were going off of but the generally accepted. Trad meaning Traditional meaning what a relationship was like before the sexual revolution. That is what people, not me, not you, but everyone is referring to when they say trad.

I'm not even the one who brought up your ass washing dilemma. Why did you bring it up? Because you knew it was the common opinion on Traditional relationships. Then suddenly you start saying it's MY opinion on trad? I'm not even the one who fucking brought it up.

Now don't mention that again. That argument is done. It's not my definition but the generally accepted definition.

If you want to argue that definition is wrong make that argument. If you want to argue that there can be many types of trad relationships make that argument. But stop lying and saying this is about my opinion on what is trad vs yours.

Now, don't repeat yourself and we'll move on.

thank you for admitting it. see? wasn’t that hard.

Yes it wasn't that hard because...GASP!? Your opinion on what is trad isn't relevant in the face of the generally accepted definition. I'm basing my argument on the generally accepted paradigm of trad.

i said if i have to ask my husband for permission to wash my ass, i am essentially a slave who has no say. if i have a say and can wash my ass at will, i’m not a slave. i don’t see how my relationship isn’t trad because i feel i should have the right to take care of my needs at will and to tell my husband no if he asks me to do things that compromise my dignity (like telling me i’m not allowed to take a shower).

I don't see how you think you're opinion on what SHOULD be considered trad is somehow more important than what IS considered trad. I don't see it likely because it's not more important and it's nonsense.

that means he doesn’t have “absolute final say in everything.” he has final say when it makes sense for him to have the final say and his final say is not compromising my basic human rights.

Then that's not trad.

again, if that’s not trad to you, “then so be it.”

So YOU ADMIT I'M RIGHT. And it's not "to me" it's to the generally accepted definition of trad.

we’re not talking about what i think is trad, but you’re basing your argument off what you believe i think is trad. are you not? because if not, then how else do you come to the conclusion that i only want the benefits and none of the “tradeoff?” that literally requires that i state my opinion on whether or not i want that “tradeoff.”

It's not my opinion it's the generally accepted opinion. Whether or not you want the tradeoff is valid, your redefinition of what is trad to suit yourself is not. Do you see the difference?

You can say "that's not a tradeoff I'm willing to make" but not "everyone is wrong but me about what is trad"

that i want all the benefits of a trad relationship with none of the “tradeoff.”

And the way you tried to prove that wasn't true was by redefining trad to suit your argument so no you didn't prove I was wrong.

all you’ve done is continue to say this is true because i’m not acquiescing to your opinion of a trad relationship is,

Because it's not MY opinion and calling it that is a lie and a bad faith argument

i tell you that you twist my words (and you also don’t seem to know what the English definition of paraphrasing is) because you twist my words.

You accuse me of twisting your words everytime I don't directly quote you and anytime I make a logical leap in your meaning. It's dishonest as hell and exhausting. It's the way a child would argue. It's just "nuh uh!" With you and even when I prove you lied you don't admit it.

maybe if it didn’t seem like that was your motivation in every “discussion” i’ve ever had with you, i wouldn’t believe that.

I'm not responsible for your perceptions. Unless I directly said that, it is something you made up. Only children think that what their every feeling or interpretation is implanted in them by others. It's not my fault you made that assumption it's yours.

every “discussion” with you is just you being passive aggressive and projecting (and, sometimes, insulting).

That's how you perceive it because of your own biases not anything I'm doing.

for the last time, if my relationship isn’t trad to you because i feel i should have the right to wash my ass at will, then so fucking be it. i don’t give a fuck what you think is and isn’t trad.

If your argument is there's no objective definition of trad why wasn't that your argument from the start?

The only reason you want to claim there's no objective definition of trad is so my point cannot be proven right or wrong. It's textbook dishonest argument and derailing. It's the equivalent of disagreeing that fire is hot and saying "I don't care what you think is hot, that's your definition"

No. Fire is objectively hot and trad has a common use definition that includes a man being able to tell you not to wash your ass if he so chose.

[–]rft241 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

We've been through this.

we sure have! we can stop if you’d like. you have every right not to respond to me.

It's not MY definition of trad were going off of but the generally accepted. Trad meaning Traditional meaning what a relationship was like before the sexual revolution. That is what people, not me, not you, but everyone is referring to when they say trad.

this why i said “i don’t want a trad relationship in the way people tend to think of it as.”

I'm not even the one who brought up your ass washing dilemma. Why did you bring it up? Because you knew it was the common opinion on Traditional relationships. Then suddenly you start saying it's MY opinion on trad? I'm not even the one who fucking brought it up.

you decided that this definition is what makes a relationship trad. if you didn’t, then why are you using this definition to say i only want the benefits without the tradeoff.

Now don't mention that again. That argument is done.

i’ll mention whatever i want.

It's not my definition but the generally accepted definition.

it’s the definition you’re going by. i’m assuming you believe in it if you’re using this definition to support your argument.

If you want to argue that definition is wrong make that argument. If you want to argue that there can be many types of trad relationships make that argument.

i basically said this, even though i didn’t get to the point of saying it explicitly lmfao

But stop lying and saying this is about my opinion on what is trad vs yours.

i mean that’s what it looks like to me. i’m not lying by telling the truth from my perspective.

Now, don't repeat yourself and we'll move on.

ditto.

Yes it wasn't that hard because...GASP!? Your opinion on what is trad isn't relevant in the face of the generally accepted definition. I'm basing my argument on the generally accepted paradigm of trad.

and this generally accepted definition isn’t the absolute defining factor of trad relationships. there’s nothing that says this is the factual definition of a trad relationship though.

I don't see how you think you're opinion on what SHOULD be considered trad is somehow more important than what IS considered trad. I don't see it likely because it's not more important and it's nonsense.

i don’t think either is “more important.” they just are.

i’m allowed to state my opinion. you have every right to ignore it if you feel like it’s not relevant.

that means he doesn’t have “absolute final say in everything.” he has final say when it makes sense for him to have the final say and his final say is not compromising my basic human rights.

Then that's not trad.

in your opinion.

So YOU ADMIT I'M RIGHT. And it's not "to me" it's to the generally accepted definition of trad.

i admit that you, and anyone who doesn’t agree with you, don’t believe that’s trad.

It's not my opinion it's the generally accepted opinion. Whether or not you want the tradeoff is valid, your redefinition of what is trad to suit yourself is not. Do you see the difference?

no because there is no actual definition of a trad relationship, just generally accepted concepts.

You can say "that's not a tradeoff I'm willing to make" but not "everyone is wrong but me about what is trad"

that’s not what i said. i’m saying nobody is right or wrong because this is all subjective anyway.

And the way you tried to prove that wasn't true was by redefining trad to suit your argument so no you didn't prove I was wrong.

you’re also using a definition of trad that’s not factual to prove your argument, so you didn’t actually prove i was wrong either. you just proved why you believe i’m wrong.

Because it's not MY opinion and calling it that is a lie and a bad faith argument

okay, fine. it’s not your opinion, it’s just the one you built your argument upon and seem to believe in.

again, what makes an argument bad faith is intention. i wholeheartedly believe you agree with that opinion, whether you’ll admit that it’s your opinion or not. if you didn’t agree with that definition, you wouldn’t be using it to support your argument.

You accuse me of twisting your words everytime I don't directly quote you and anytime I make a logical leap in your meaning.

they’re not logical leaps lmfaoooo, it’s twisting my words.

It's dishonest as hell and exhausting. It's the way a child would argue. It's just "nuh uh!" With you and even when I prove you lied you don't admit it.

so is twisting my words! and you refuse to admit when you lied yourself.

i genuinely don’t believe i lied about anything. again, i wholeheartedly believe the things i’m saying.

I'm not responsible for your perceptions.

you’re right.

Unless I directly said that, it is something you made up.

directly said what? what did i make up?

and you wanna tell me i’m lying when i say this exact same sentence, but it’s not lying when you say it? good bye.

Only children think that what their every feeling or interpretation is implanted in them by others. It's not my fault you made that assumption it's yours.

That's how you perceive it because of your own biases not anything I'm doing.

here’s one example: you basically told me i have an oversized ego like not that long ago, which is an insult. if you didn’t know, now you know.

i’m not perceiving that as an insult because of my biases or because you’re not doing that, i’m perceiving it that way because anyone who has any ounce of social understanding knows that telling someone they fit a description that has a negative connotation is insulting.

If your argument is there's no objective definition of trad why wasn't that your argument from the start?

i couldn’t even get to making that point because i kept having to correct you on what the foundation of my argument was, and you kept telling me everything i was saying was irrelevant.

i can’t get to the point of my argument if you won’t even try to understand where the argument is coming from.

The only reason you want to claim there's no objective definition of trad is so my point cannot be proven right or wrong. It's textbook dishonest argument and derailing. It's the equivalent of disagreeing that fire is hot and saying "I don't care what you think is hot, that's your definition"

it’s not though, because the comment you responded to said “i don’t want a trad relationship in the way people tend to think of them.” obviously meaning i want a different kind of trad relationship. i would’ve gotten to that point if you hadn’t continued twisting my words and derailing in the first place.

i will admit though, i got too enthusiastic arguing about other useless shit and your strawmen to get there.

No. Fire is objectively hot and trad has a common use definition that includes a man being able to tell you not to wash your ass if he so chose.

the difference has an objective meaning and you can prove fire is hot by actually touching it. how can you objectively prove a relationship is trad?

and that “common use definition” is not factual, so there is no true definition. if you don’t like that, that’s on you i guess.

if you believe that’s arguing in bad faith, well i’ll just use your own words to address that: “Only children think that what their every feeling or interpretation is implanted in them by others. It's not my fault you made that assumption it's yours.” “That's how you perceive it because of your own biases not anything I'm doing.”

[–]Special-Armadillo-991 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

i couldn’t even get to making that point because i kept having to correct you on what the foundation of my argument was, and you kept telling me everything i was saying was irrelevant.

This. Is. Derailing. It's not that you COULDN'T simply state they you didn't believe there was an objective definition, it's that you instead wanted to derail the argument.

When I said you only wanted the parts of trad that benefit you, if you believed there was no objective trad definition, then that would have been your response. You didn't need to correct anything it was the first thing I said to you and it was very straightforward.

Instead of arguing in good faith you nit picked and writhed and wriggled.

Bottom line, there is a generally accepted definition of what is trad, and that is more important than your opinion.

i will admit though, i got too enthusiastic arguing about other useless shit and your strawmen to get there.

You just lied about quotes you made and said I was twisting your words when I was paraphrasing.

Please go ahead. Tell me where I twisted your words. Explain how it perverted your meaning and wasn't just you complaining that I wasn't using your exact phrasing.

You can't because I didn't.

and that “common use definition” is not factual, so there is no true definition. if you don’t like that, that’s on you i guess.

This is like saying that the common use definition of the word hot is not factual but subjective thereupon fire can't be proven hot.

if you believe that’s arguing in bad faith, well i’ll just use your own words to address that: “Only children think that what their every feeling or interpretation is implanted in them by others. It's not my fault you made that assumption it's yours.” “That's how you perceive it because of your own biases not anything I'm doing.”

At this point your argument boils down to "nothing can be objectively true, and my bad faith argument can't be proven to be in bad faith because nothing is objective."

Your bad faith argument is plain to see. The things you assume about me are things you think you read between the lines. You're assuming my motivation, I'm not doing that to you. I'm looking at the words you wrote and they are not consistent with a good faith argument.

Nice try, but you lost here and I'm done

[–]rft241 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

This. Is. Derailing. It's not that you COULDN'T simply state they you didn't believe there was an objective definition, it's that you instead wanted to derail the argument.

who’s projecting what thoughts and motivations onto who now?

no, i didn’t want to derail the argument. you already were derailing in the first place.

When I said you only wanted the parts of trad that benefit you, if you believed there was no objective trad definition, then that would have been your response. You didn't need to correct anything it was the first thing I said to you and it was very straightforward.

that was basically my response, just not in explicit language.

Instead of arguing in good faith you nit picked and writhed and wriggled.

you never argue in good faith lmfao

Bottom line, there is a generally accepted definition of what is trad, and that is more important than your opinion.

bottom line, i don’t give a shit what you think is and isn’t important.

You just lied about quotes you made and said I was twisting your words when I was paraphrasing.

i didn’t.

Please go ahead. Tell me where I twisted your words. Explain how it perverted your meaning and wasn't just you complaining that I wasn't using your exact phrasing.

i already explained this.

This is like saying that the common use definition of the word hot is not factual but subjective thereupon fire can't be proven hot.

again, that is a bad analogy because you can objective prove fire is hot by touching it. can you price a relationship is trad by touching it? can you measure what makes a relationship trad the way you can measure what is and isn’t hot? no.

At this point your argument boils down to "nothing can be objectively true, and my bad faith argument can't be proven to be in bad faith because nothing is objective."

nope. just that traditional relationships don’t have to go by your narrow definition (that you claim isn’t your definition, although you clearly believe this definition to be true).

Your bad faith argument is plain to see. The things you assume about me are things you think you read between the lines. You're assuming my motivation, I'm not doing that to you. I'm looking at the words you wrote and they are not consistent with a good faith argument.

i feel the same exact way about you.

Nice try, but you lost here and I'm done

you’re entitled to your opinion.

buh-bye now! 😘💋

[–]Special-Armadillo-991 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

i already explained this.

You didn't.

that was basically my response, just not in explicit language.

It wasn't, this is yet another lie.

bottom line, i don’t give a shit what you think is and isn’t important.

Why do you want to keep assigning things to me? It's not me and what i think is important anyone speaking about trad relationships would agree that your redefinition of trad is irrelevant to the whole of trad.

again, that is a bad analogy because you can objective prove fire is hot by touching it. can you price a relationship is trad by touching it? can you measure what makes a relationship trad the way you can measure what is and isn’t hot? no.

But what is hot is subjective, some people wear shorts on a 50 degree day and others think 100 degrees feels good so therefore there is no subjective hot right? That is how fucking ridiculous your argument is.

nope.

That's exactly your argument.

just that traditional relationships don’t have to go by your narrow definition (that you claim isn’t your definition, although you clearly believe this definition to be true).

Just because I agree with the definition doesn't mean it's mine. I agree the sky is blue that doesn't mean it's my observation it is THE observation that is overwhelmingly agreed upon.

So what are the limits? If a poly person wants to say their relationship is trad are they right or wrong?

i feel the same exact way about you.

The difference being you feel that way because you're trying to assume my motives and have preconceived biases against me.

I'm only basing this off of the literal words you wrote.

you’re entitled to your opinion.

Oh am i!? Hot shit thank you so much I wasn't aware!?

Learn to debate. I'm here whenever you want to lose an argument with some dignity, you know, without detailing lying and gaslighting about your lies. You literally violated every rule of sound debating.

[–]rft241 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You didn't.

i did. go back and read my last two comments because i’m not breaking it down again.

i’m starting to think you’re not reading my comments fully, because you keep missing things that are very clearly there.

It wasn't, this is yet another lie.

you’re entitled to believing that’s a lie.

again, i’m being wholeheartedly truthful. i genuinely believe i’m telling the truth. we clearly have very different views of what‘s happening.

Why do you want to keep assigning things to me? It's not me and what i think is important

i could ask you the same question.

anyone speaking about trad relationships would agree that your redefinition of trad is irrelevant to the whole of trad.

this is your opinion.

you also keep telling me what’s not important and isn’t relevant, so i feel the need to remind you that i don’t care what you deem as not important and irrelevant.

i could easily say some people would agree with me that a trad relationship doesn’t have to be a dictatorship or be akin to a slave and slave-master dynamic.

But what is hot is subjective, some people wear shorts on a 50 degree day and others think 100 degrees feels good so therefore there is no subjective hot right? That is how fucking ridiculous your argument is.

no, what feels hot is subjective. what is hot isn’t. heat can be measured and proven. what is and isn’t traditional can’t.

That's exactly your argument.

my argument was never “nothing can be objectively true and my bad faith argument can’t be proven to be in bath faith because nothing is objective.”

again, your interpretation of what i said /= what i said.

if this is your idea of paraphrasing, you don’t know what that word means.

Just because I agree with the definition doesn't mean it's mine. I agree the sky is blue that doesn't mean it's my observation it is THE observation that is overwhelmingly agreed upon.

the sky is objectively blue though, you can look and see that.

your opinion is the beliefs you hold, so if you believe something that is actually your opinion. so because you believe in this definition of trad relationships, that is what you choose to define it as too. so, in that sense, it is your (chosen and preferred) definition.

So what are the limits? If a poly person wants to say their relationship is trad are they right or wrong?

the limits are wherever an individual wants to place them.

to me, i don’t see how a relationship isn’t still trad because the woman has the right to say no.

to you, husband must have the right to make wife a slave in order for it to be trad.

that’s me “paraphrasing” the way you usually do. or, as you like to say, “making logical leaps.”

The difference being you feel that way because you're trying to assume my motives and have preconceived biases against me.

as if you haven’t assumed my motives at any point in this back and forth, and haven’t already stated and demonstrated elsewhere before that you do have biases against women.

maybe i wouldn’t think you had something against women if you didn’t say things that make it clear to anyone with a working brain that you have a bias against women lmao

I'm only basing this off of the literal words you wrote.

i’m basing what i’m saying off the words you wrote too.

Learn to debate. I'm here whenever you want to lose an argument with some dignity, you know, without detailing lying and gaslighting about your lies. You literally violated every rule of sound debating.

everything you’re saying to me applies to you just as much. every single thing.

didn’t you say you were done like 2 comments ago?

[–]Special-Armadillo-991 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I was done with the argument, now it's not even about the argument, just about the sheer level of gaslighting you continue to do about your lies.

i did. go back and read my last two comments because i’m not breaking it down again.

You didn't in the first place stop gaslighting we've been through this and you were proved to have lied.

the sky is objectively blue though, you can look and see that.

And your definition of trad is objectively not the common definition. You can look and see that.

i could easily say some people would agree with me that a trad relationship doesn’t have to be a dictatorship or be akin to a slave and slave-master dynamic.

Again, you're characterizing it that way, the man having final say in everything doesn't have to look like a dictatorship or a slave master dynamic unless you believe giving someone that power inherently produces that result. I don't. Just because the man has the power to be a dictator doesn't mean he will choose to act like one. Him having the power and using it on occasion doesn't mean he doesn't have the power.

You're still a dictator even if you never use the power, as long as IF you did others would have to listen you're still a dictator.

the limits are wherever an individual wants to place them.

So how is your argument not

At this point your argument boils down to "nothing can be objectively true, and my bad faith argument can't be proven to be in bad faith because nothing is objective."

That's literally the only possible interpretation of your position that nothing is objectively trad. There's no other way to interpret that.

to me, i don’t see how a relationship isn’t still trad because the woman has the right to say no.

In a trad relationship the woman can say no but the man may or may not listen.

to you, husband must have the right to make wife a slave in order for it to be trad.

To everyone, except you apparently yes that's the case.

that’s me “paraphrasing” the way you usually do. or, as you like to say, “making logical leaps.”

Yes and it was fine, I'm not accusing you of lying because all of that tracks and even if I disagreed with your assessment I wouldn't say you were lying or I didn't say that I would say "no I meant x" because I'm interested in having a debate without derailing gaslighting and lying unlike yourself!

i’m basing what i’m saying off the words you wrote too.

Ok so where did I say "I have a bias against women" go ahead and quote me. You can't because I never said that and you're lying yet again. You're basing it off of how my words make you feel and guessing why you think I said the things I did instead of taking the words at face value.

maybe i wouldn’t think you had something against women if you didn’t say things that make it clear to anyone with a working brain that you have a bias against women lmao

See you're saying my motivations are clear when I never said what you're accusing me of. You're guessing my motivations. That's dishonest arguing.

everything you’re saying to me applies to you just as much. every single thing.

Except no, I didn't derail gaslight or lie. You simply didn't like the way I paraphrased. I caught you lying several times for literally no reason. You could have presented your argument that there is no objective trad from the start, the fact that you didn't but claim you did is both derailing and gaslighting.

I literally had to show you your own comments for you to admit your lies.

Learn to debate. I'm here whenever you want to lose an argument with some dignity, you know, without derailing lying and gaslighting about your lies.

[–]rft241 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I was done with the argument, now it's not even about the argument, just about the sheer level of gaslighting you continue to do about your lies.

telling the truth as i see it is not gaslighting. i’d. whether you agree with my perspective or not.

and now it’s about your opinion? okay, your opinion is valid. you can think i’m gaslighting all you want to, you don’t even know what that word means lmfao. i’m not attempting to distort what you see as reality, i’m simply telling the truth as i see it. just because you disagree with my perspective doesn’t mean i’m gaslighting.

You didn't in the first place stop gaslighting we've been through this and you were proved to have lied.

i did. again, go back and read my comments.

And your definition of trad is objectively not the common definition. You can look and see that.

the “common” definition is not objective in the first place.

Again, you're characterizing it that way, the man having final say in everything doesn't have to look like a dictatorship or a slave master dynamic unless you believe giving someone that power inherently produces that result. I don't. Just because the man has the power to be a dictator doesn't mean he will choose to act like one. Him having the power and using it on occasion doesn't mean he doesn't have the power.

You're still a dictator even if you never use the power, as long as IF you did others would have to listen you're still a dictator.

i’m not characterizing it that way, that is exactly what that means. a person who cannot do anything without permission is essentially a slave.

the man having veto power and using it on occasion is not an issue, the issue is what he has veto power over.

i also don’t understand why, if the man is not intending to use this power for anything negative, is the notion that the woman setting a boundary and expecting it to be respected must mean the relationship is not trad; or why that is a bad thing. i’m also wondering why a man would argue so strongly in support of having this power, but has no motive or incentive to use it at the woman’s expense. please, do tell. i’m curious.

unless you believe giving someone that power inherently produces that result.

see, i don’t believe it does. i’m just saying that them having this power in the first place makes them akin to a slave master, who dictates any and everything his slave does. the slave master is still a slave master, even if he has given his slave permission to do things at her will. still, don’t you think the slave should be able to take care of their own needs at will, with or without permission?

so, then, you must understand why women don’t appreciate this notion. would you like to be a slave? would you be willing to do this for a woman offering to provide your entire lifestyle for you? i wouldn’t think so.

That's literally the only possible interpretation of your position that nothing is objectively trad. There's no other way to interpret that.

there are other ways to interpret that, this is just how you chose to interpret it. there are many ways you can interpret one sentence.

my argument is a relationship can still be trad even if the woman has the right to say no; and if the woman has the right to say no and attend to her personal needs at will, then that means the man doesn’t have final say on “absolutely everything.”

interestingly enough, this isn’t the only thing i expect to do in my marriage that you would probably say “isn’t trad;” but we couldn’t even have a civil discourse to have that conversation. i’m afraid the idea of us having a discussion in good faith seems to be far gone now.

In a trad relationship the woman can say no but the man may or may not listen.

right; but the woman can also still choose to eat when she’s starving even if husband says no. is the whole relationship automatically not trad anymore because she fed herself? even if their whole lifestyle is trad otherwise?

To everyone, except you apparently yes that's the case.

do you live in everyone’s minds to know that?

Yes and it was fine, I'm not accusing you of lying because all of that tracks and even if I disagreed with your assessment I wouldn't say you were lying or I didn't say that I would say "no I meant x" because I'm interested in having a debate without derailing gaslighting and lying unlike yourself!

very interesting, because in the other comment thread you said i was twisting your words by saying that your definition of a trad relationship means the husband has the right to make his wife a slave. maybe i’m remembering that incorrectly.

Ok so where did I say "I have a bias against women" go ahead and quote me. You can't because I never said that and you're lying yet again. You're basing it off of how my words make you feel and guessing why you think I said the things I did instead of taking the words at face value.

you don’t have to say that explicitly for people to be able to tell lmfaoooo

you mean to tell me you don’t have a bias against women?

do you not believe in af/bb? do you not believe most women are sluts? do you not believe men have valid reasons to hate women? i’m genuinely asking.

See you're saying my motivations are clear when I never said what you're accusing me of. You're guessing my motivations. That's dishonest arguing.

you didn’t have to say it. i don’t think it’s dishonest to say what i believe is true.

Except no, I didn't derail gaslight or lie.

i didn’t either.

again, we have very different perspectives of what’s being said.

You simply didn't like the way I paraphrased. I caught you lying several times for literally no reason. You could have presented your argument that there is no objective trad from the start, the fact that you didn't but claim you did is both derailing and gaslighting.

again, i can say this very same thing to you.

I literally had to show you your own comments for you to admit your lies.

Learn to debate. I'm here whenever you want to lose an argument with some dignity, you know, without derailing lying and gaslighting about your lies.

same to you.

we can keep doing this back and forth about gaslighting, lies, and bad faith arguments; but at this point, there’s nothing new to say on the matter. you’ll believe what you want to believe, as will i. at this point, we’re just repeating ourselves.

[–]Special-Armadillo-991 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

again, i can say this very same thing to you.

No though, you can't.

This is what I said

You simply didn't like the way I paraphrased. I caught you lying several times for literally no reason. You could have presented your argument that there is no objective trad from the start, the fact that you didn't but claim you did is both derailing and gaslighting.

So no you can't say the same thing because I presented my argument from the very beginning of the discussion. So yet another dishonest statement from you.

we can keep doing this back and forth about gaslighting, lies, and bad faith arguments; but at this point, there’s nothing new to say on the matter. you’ll believe what you want to believe, as will i.

No. I'll believe what is written, you will believe what you feel. How do you ever discuss anything with anyone if everything is subjective?

at this point, we’re just repeating ourselves.

That's basically all you have been doing this whole time, derailing any form of conversation.

you don’t have to say that explicitly for people to be able to tell lmfaoooo

Lmfaoooo why would it even matter? Even if I did have that bias you claim, what baring does that have on me being correct about this particular discussion?

you mean to tell me you don’t have a bias against women?

Not unless seeing them for what they are is bias.

do you not believe in af/bb?

Sure that's a truth so what?

do you not believe most women are sluts?

Most? Yeah.

do you not believe men have valid reasons to hate women?

Depends on what you mean by valid and obviously that's subjective, we could discuss it but I don't see the point since you're so hellbent on insisting nothing is objectively true.

i’m genuinely asking.

I don't think you are genuinely asking though, because you already made up your mind about me. You have decided I'm wrong before you even read what I write because you believe I have a bias.

So what's the point? If you were a rational logical person who knew how to debate I would gladly discuss these things, but after speaking with you I know you'll just lie, gaslight, and derail any productive conversation and not make any rational argument until I proved you lied.

It's tedious. Go find someone else's time to waste

[–]rft241 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No though, you can't.

i can. you disagreeing with it doesn’t mean i can’t say it or that it can’t possibly be true.

So no you can't say the same thing because I presented my argument from the very beginning of the discussion. So yet another dishonest statement from you.

i can say the same thing because i felt the same way. you can disagree all you wish, doesn’t mean i can’t say what i believe is true.

how is telling the truth as i see it dishonest?

we can keep doing this back and forth about gaslighting, lies, and bad faith arguments; but at this point, there’s nothing new to say on the matter. you’ll believe what you want to believe, as will i.

No. I'll believe what is written, you will believe what you feel. How do you ever discuss anything with anyone if everything is subjective?

i don’t believe everything is subjective, this is just how you interpreted my statement.

at this point, we’re just repeating ourselves.

That's basically all you have been doing this whole time, derailing any form of conversation.

you’ve been doing the same thing.

Lmfaoooo why would it even matter? Even if I did have that bias you claim, what baring does that have on me being correct about this particular discussion?

it doesn’t have barring on you being “correct,” it just gives context as to what your motivations may be.

Not unless seeing them for what they are is bias.

depends on what “seeing them for what they are” is.

Sure that's a truth so what?

Most? Yeah.

how is that not a bias against women?

a bias is a belief held toward a group of people. for it to be against the group of people, the bias must be negative. do you mean to tell me that calling people sluts or believing they only want “asshole” men isn’t negative?

Depends on what you mean by valid and obviously that's subjective, we could discuss it but I don't see the point since you're so hellbent on insisting nothing is objectively true.

valid, as in reasonable.

nowhere did insist nothing is objectively true. i specifically stated what is and isn’t traditional is subjective. again, your interpretation of what i said /= what i said.

I don't think you are genuinely asking though, because you already made up your mind about me.

i am genuinely asking. you clearly have decided everything i’m saying is a lie, so why keep engaging?

You have decided I'm wrong before you even read what I write because you believe I have a bias.

you do though.

So what's the point? If you were a rational logical person who knew how to debate I would gladly discuss these things, but after speaking with you I know you'll just lie, gaslight, and derail any productive conversation and not make any rational argument until I proved you lied.

i feel the exact same way about you.

It's tedious. Go find someone else's time to waste

you’re wasting your own time. i can’t waste your time unless you allow me to.

now please address the statements you overlooked, if you wish to continue:

i also don’t understand why, if the man is not intending to use this power for anything negative, is the notion that the woman setting a boundary and expecting it to be respected must mean the relationship is not trad; or why that is a bad thing. i’m also wondering why a man would argue so strongly in support of having this power, but has no motive or incentive to use it at the woman’s expense. please, do tell. i’m curious.

don’t you think the slave should be able to take care of their own needs at will, with or without permission?

the woman can also still choose to eat when she’s starving even if husband says no. is the whole relationship automatically not trad anymore because she fed herself? even if their whole lifestyle is trad otherwise?

maybe i was right to say a good faith discussion being had between us is too far gone. i’m not opposed to trying, but i have doubts that you can.

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how is that not a bias against women?

Because it's true. It's an observable fact? Is it bias to say the sun rises?

it doesn’t have barring on you being “correct,” it just gives context as to what your motivations may be.

But what are you using this information for? Oh right, to decide I'm wrong before you even read what I wrote you admitted that already or are you going to lie and claim you didn't say that too?

i can say the same thing because i felt the same way. you can disagree all you wish, doesn’t mean i can’t say what i believe is true.

This is you saying there is no objective truth. That you lying (factually true) and you thinking I'm lying (a lie in and of itself) can both be true. It can't be. One of us is lying and it's you factually. How you feel about the matter doesn't matter.

That's why I keep saying you say nothing is objectively true because every time you disagree you say some stupid shit about how it's "true from your perspective" or some other nonsense.

It's only true that I'm lying if you are feeling rather than thinking. I lied about nothing.

do you mean to tell me that calling people sluts or believing they only want “asshole” men isn’t negative?

It isn't a positive or a negative it just is. Is it a negative that wolves eat sheep? It's just nature.

you’ve been doing the same thing.

No. You're focusing on how I'm arguing and not what I'm arguing this whole time is not at all similar to me paraphrasing you in a way you didn't like instead of directly quoting you every time I refer to your argument.

how is telling the truth as i see it dishonest?

Because you're choosing to feel instead of think. It's not that you're telling the truth as you see it, you're saying you feel like you're telling the truth when you lie therefore it's not a lie even though it factually is.

we can keep doing this back and forth about gaslighting, lies, and bad faith arguments; but at this point, there’s nothing new to say on the matter. you’ll believe what you want to believe, as will i.

I'm believing the facts. You're believing how my argument makes you feel.

you’re wasting your own time. i can’t waste your time unless you allow me to.

See here you admit to be derailing etc you're literally admitting to wasting my time but telling me it's my fault because I engage in good faith. Gaslighting yet again! Factually.

nowhere did insist nothing is objectively true.

When you say you think I'm lying when I'm factually not you're saying there is no objective reality.

i specifically stated what is and isn’t traditional is subjective. again, your interpretation of what i said /= what i said.

If it was only that you thought trad was subjective I would say you're right.

i am genuinely asking. you clearly have decided everything i’m saying is a lie, so why keep engaging?

I didn't decide anything. You are and have been factually lying. Again, just like you accusing me of using my definition of trad which is not true since I'm using THE common definition of trad.

Now you're trying to make it seem like you lying is something I decides subjectively. It isn't. Why do you keep gaslighting.

i also don’t understand why, if the man is not intending to use this power for anything negative, is the notion that the woman setting a boundary and expecting it to be respected must mean the relationship is not trad;

Because it goes against the definition.

or why that is a bad thing.

I didn't say it was bad again with your childish emotional logic.

i’m also wondering why a man would argue so strongly in support of having this power, but has no motive or incentive to use it at the woman’s expense. please, do tell. i’m curious.

What man is arguing in favor of this? What is trad is trad. If you want trad but you don't want this aspect you want the parts that benefit you only.

Nobody is arguing you should want this. No man here is demanding anything. I made a simple observation.

Again, childish emotional logic has led you to assume I'm somehow in favor of the man having this power over the woman, I'm not. I never did. You assumed I was, why?

don’t you think the slave should be able to take care of their own needs at will, with or without permission?

Sure but it would be odd if someone said "I want everything that comes with slavery except listening to master, free room and free food and health care etc but no master"

You'd say "well that's not slavery"

Just like I'm saying to you what you want isn't trad.

the woman can also still choose to eat when she’s starving even if husband says no.

Not in trad although why would he want you, his wife, to starve? That's why I said you were catastrophizing. You're taking the worst case scenario and acting as though it's inevitable.

is the whole relationship automatically not trad anymore because she fed herself?

Basically. If he disagrees with what she did.

even if their whole lifestyle is trad otherwise?

This is just such a strange and dishonest circumstance it's really not worth talking about.

maybe i was right to say a good faith discussion being had between us is too far gone.

Yeah thanks to your nonsense.

i’m not opposed to trying, but i have doubts that you can.

Except you're the only one who has been truthfully arguing in bad faith no matter what you feel. Any objective person reading our discourse would see how absolutely absurd and ridiculous you've been acting and how you've been lying gaslighting etc I guarantee it.

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except it’s not. traditional gender roles means we are both fulfilling our roles, it doesn’t just mean “man pays for everything.” you are the one who interpreted it as that. nowhere in this sentence:

“i don’t want to be a “tradwife” in the sense that most people think. i just like traditional gender roles and wanna be a sahm when i have kids.”

is it implied that the man is the only person responsible for fulfilling his role.

people usually believe “tradwife” is synonymous with “mcbangmaid” or “doormat” or “domestic slave.” they believe the woman has absolutely no say in anything at all and must do exactly as her husband says, or even that traditional relationships are always abusive and the man always tyrannical. that’s not what i want, so that’s why i said “in the way that people think.”

me being a sahm benefits the family, not just me. it’s not like i plan to send my kids to public school and sit on my ass all day doing nothing. you think me making meals from scratch, raising my children instead of sending them to nannies and daycares, and homeschooling them is only for my benefit?

but go ahead, accuse me of more bs.

it’s very much in bad faith, and you know it.

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Which is what is usually considered to be the trade off in return for the man paying for everything, the woman defers to him on basically everything.

Having a trad relationship without that aspect is just taking all the benefits without doing the part that is traditionally considered the proper response.

if that’s your opinion of what the “tradeoff” is in traditional relationships, all the power to you.

i don’t ever plan on allowing someone to own me and control every aspect of my life. to me, the tradeoff is my youth, beauty, domesticity, and womb for provision and protection. if the man is expecting more, practically speaking, then we’re simply not compatible. i want a husband, not a slave master; i plan to be a wife, not a slave.

I don't understand why this is making you so defensive. I literally asked a question and instead of just saying no or yes you accuse me of bad faith.

no offense to you, but your comments almost always seem to have an accusatory and hostile undertone to them. that, and you never fail to include some insult to womankind somewhere.

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Oh no!? Someone doesn't worship at the altar of women!?

I call it like I see it. If that leads to me insulting womenkind then maybe they should be better.

if that’s your opinion of what the “tradeoff” is in traditional relationships, all the power to you

That is the tradeoff it's not something I made up.

i don’t ever plan on allowing someone to own me and control every aspect of my life.

Yeah that's why I'm saying that you want only the aspects of trad that benefits you.

to me, the tradeoff is my youth, beauty, domesticity, and womb for provision and protection.

But in a non trad relationship your man would get all those things plus you splitting the bill.

if the man is expecting more, practically speaking, then we’re simply not compatible. i want a husband, not a slave master; i plan to be a wife, not a slave.

The idea that just because a man COULD abuse the trust of a trad relationship means he will is just silly

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I call it like I see it. If that leads to me insulting womenkind then maybe they should be better.

at least you can admit it.

That is the tradeoff it's not something I made up.

and what law or rule book says this is the ultimate tradeoff, and a relationship is deemed not traditional if the woman is allowed to use her brain and make simple decisions for herself?

i don’t ever plan on allowing someone to own me and control every aspect of my life.

Yeah that's why I'm saying that you want only the aspects of trad that benefits you.

they benefit me as an aftereffect, the point is that they benefit the family as a whole.

But in a non trad relationship your man would get all those things plus you splitting the bill.

no he’s not, i’m not playing housewife for a man who’s not paying the bills. a man who’s paying the bills deserves to be catered to.

that man can expect meals to be ready on time and prepared how he wants. he can expect dinner fresh off the stove for him when he comes home from work. he can expect the house to remain clean. he can expect to get a massage after every workday. he can expect me to look dolled up how he likes when he gets home. he can expect me to ask before i make purchases. he can expect me to run errands for him. he can expect me to have as many children as he wants when he wants to have them. he actually deserves a blowjob when he wants it.

i’m not doing any of that for a man i’m splitting bills with, that man gets those things whenever i feel like giving it. a man who’s not paying the bills doesn’t get to expect these things, let alone get them when he wants.

The idea that just because a man COULD abuse the trust of a trad relationship means he will is just silly

it’s not about that. it’s about the simple fact that i’m an adult human being who can decide for myself how i’d like to dress, what i’d like to eat, where i’d like to go, and who i’d like to talk to. humans need a sense of agency. people go crazy when they have absolutely no control in how their lives go.

deferring to my husband on things that directly affect us, our lifestyle, or our children and following him is not an issue. deferring to my husband on things that directly affect me, and me only, is not something i’m willing to do.

i should (and do) have the right to say no, to set boundaries, and to refuse to do anything that compromises my dignity. a person who is not allowed the opportunity to do so is essentially a slave.

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and what law or rule book says this is the ultimate tradeoff, and a relationship is deemed not traditional if the woman is allowed to use her brain and make simple decisions for herself?

This is just a strawman.

i don’t ever plan on allowing someone to own me and control every aspect of my life.

I'm not suggesting you should.

no he’s not, i’m not playing housewife for a man who’s not paying the bills. a man who’s paying the bills deserves to be catered to.

I'm not telling you to. Why do you think this is something I'm telling you to do or want you to do.

it’s not about that. it’s about the simple fact that i’m an adult human being who can decide for myself how i’d like to dress, what i’d like to eat, where i’d like to go, and who i’d like to talk to.

And there's no reason to suspect that this would change in a traditional relationship.

humans need a sense of agency. people go crazy when they have absolutely no control in how their lives go.

There's no reason to suspect you'd have no control. This is typical catastrophizing. It's trademark woman. It's like you look at a situation, and take the worst case scenario, and then behave as though that's the most likely or norm.

I'm not telling you to do anything I don't get why this is turning into you telling me what you will and won't accept in a relationship I really don't give a fuck and it's irrelevant to the topic.

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This is just a strawman.

how?

was it not you who said that was the tradeoff? for the woman to have no say in anything?

I'm not suggesting you should.

didn’t say you did.

I'm not telling you to. Why do you think this is something I'm telling you to do or want you to do.

never said you did. i don’t think you’re telling me to do anything.

it’s not about that. it’s about the simple fact that i’m an adult human being who can decide for myself how i’d like to dress, what i’d like to eat, where i’d like to go, and who i’d like to talk to.

And there's no reason to suspect that this would change in a traditional relationship.

i don’t.

There's no reason to suspect you'd have no control. This is typical catastrophizing. It's trademark woman. It's like you look at a situation, and take the worst case scenario, and then behave as though that's the most likely or norm.

i don’t.

i literally said that people typically think of a “tradwife” as a domestic slave who has no say in anything at all and must do exactly as her husband says.

your response was that this was the tradeoff in a traditional relationship. i took that to mean you were saying the woman is trading her agency for provision. if that’s not what you meant, the what is “the tradeoff?”

I'm not telling you to do anything I don't get why this is turning into you telling me what you will and won't accept in a relationship I really don't give a fuck and it's irrelevant to the topic.

nobody is yelling at you.

you literally responded to a comment about me wanting to be a sahm and liking traditional gender roles, so what i will and won’t accept is relevant to the topic lmfao

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was it not you who said that was the tradeoff? for the woman to have no say in anything?

That she defer to his judgements isn't the same as saying she will never have any say in anything. What possible reason would he have to go against her wishes 24/7?

it’s not about that. it’s about the simple fact that i’m an adult human being who can decide for myself how i’d like to dress, what i’d like to eat, where i’d like to go, and who i’d like to talk to.

Cool story, it's not relevant.

i literally said that people typically think of a “tradwife” as a domestic slave who has no say in anything at all and must do exactly as her husband says.

And even then there's no reason for the husband to go against her wishes. Women view it this way, not men. It's like saying that when you're a child you had no say in anything. Bullshit. Good parents give their children a lot of freedom and only step in when they feel it's important.

It would be the same with 99% of traditional husbands.

your response was that this was the tradeoff in a traditional relationship. i took that to mean you were saying the woman is trading her agency for provision. if that’s not what you meant, the what is “the tradeoff?”

You're really confusing me here. Yes that's the traditional tradeoff but I don't give a fuck if you don't want to do it. Also behaving as if giving someone veto powers is akin to being a lifeless choice less doll is a strawman.

nobody is yelling at you.

I didn't say you were.

you literally responded to a comment about me wanting to be a sahm and liking traditional gender roles, so what i will and won’t accept is relevant to the topic lmfao

No I commented that you want all the benefits and none of the tradeoff.

In response you listed to me how you wouldn't like to do your part of a traditional relationship.

Yes I know that was the whole point of my initial comment.

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i didn’t say they were the same, you did.

again, the exchange happened like this:

i said people believe tradwife is synonymous with domestic slave and the woman has absolutely no say in anything at all and must do exactly as her husband says.

to which you responded (paraphrased) “this is the tradeoff.”

now you’re saying this:

That she defer to his judgements isn't the same as saying she will never have any say in anything.

so i’ll give you a chance to redeem yourself. what is the tradeoff? are you not saying the tradeoff is the woman having no say at all?

if so, then why did you say that was the tradeoff? did you just miss the words “absolutely no say in anything at all and must do exactly as her husband says?”

Cool story, it's not relevant.

i don’t care whether or not you think it’s relevant.

And even then there's no reason for the husband to go against her wishes. Women view it this way, not men. It's like saying that when you're a child you had no say in anything. Bullshit. Good parents give their children a lot of freedom and only step in when they feel it's important.

by “having no say” i meant she doesn’t get to give any input because her husband decides what he wants without regard to her wishes.

so, in that hypothetical scenario (the way people tend to think about traditional relationships), the woman’s wishes don’t even come up. if they do, they are ignored in favor of the husband’s.

It would be the same with 99% of traditional husbands.

in your opinion.

and that’s not even realistic, because abusive men exist. not saying all men are abusive, nor am i saying all traditional men are abusive; but all kinds of men are abusive, there is no way for us to know the quantity of good and bad men in the world. (reread that, just in case you thought i said all men are abusive.)

You're really confusing me here. Yes that's the traditional tradeoff but I don't give a fuck if you don't want to do it. Also behaving as if giving someone veto powers is akin to being a lifeless choice less doll is a strawman.

what’s confusing?

i didn’t ask if you gave a fuck.

a slave master doesn’t just have veto powers, he has complete control of everything his slave does down to what the slave eats, what the slave wears, and when the slave can take a shit. if the slave gets to make these decisions for herself, then she’s not really a slave.

I didn't say you were.

i believe your exact words were:

I'm not telling you to do anything I don't get why this is turning into you telling me what you will and won't accept in a relationship I really don't give a fuck and it's irrelevant to the topic.

In response you listed to me how you wouldn't like to do your part of a traditional relationship.

because i said i should have the right to say no means i’m not doing my part of a traditional relationship? okay, then i guess my relationship won’t be traditional after all. 🤷🏾‍♀️

Yes I know that was the whole point of my initial comment.

and you say you’re not arguing in bad faith. 🙄

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by “having no say” i meant she doesn’t get to give any input because her husband decides what he wants without regard to her wishes.

That's not a trad relationship that's a catastrophizing of a trad relationship.

so, in that hypothetical scenario (the way people tend to think about traditional relationships), the woman’s wishes don’t even come up. if they do, they are ignored in favor of the husband’s.

No that's how women view a trad relationship and it's nonsense.

and that’s not even realistic, because abusive men exist.

Which is why I said 99%

not saying all men are abusive, nor am i saying all traditional men are abusive; but all kinds of men are abusive, there is no way for us to know the quantity of good and bad men in the world.

Which is why I said 99%

a slave master doesn’t just have veto powers, he has complete control of everything his slave does down to what the slave eats, what the slave wears, and when the slave can take a shit. if the slave gets to make these decisions for herself, then she’s not really a slave.

Which is why women's view on trad relationships is wrong. Men never treated women the way feminists insist they did. Men never treated women as slaves who couldn't even meekly offer an opinion.

Even now in the middle east women basically control the household.

So I'll ask you again, why would the male be so invested in making sure his wife was miserable that he would not even allow her to choose what is for dinner? What benefit would be derive from that?

That would be a lot of work for literally no reward it's no unrealistic it's not even worth entertaining.

The man had veto power. He could decide he didn't like an option and say no to it and his wife had to listen. The idea that this means he used this power for every single decision is a brain dead take.

because i said i should have the right to say no means i’m not doing my part of a traditional relationship? okay, then i guess my relationship won’t be traditional after all. 🤷🏾‍♀️

Basically if you believe that your husband wanting you to not do something means jack shit to you, then yes you're not in a trad relationship, your picking and choosing which aspects of trad benefit you while expecting him to live up to every trad expectation without exception.

and you say you’re not arguing in bad faith.

I don't think you know what this means

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and now your answers are switching up, lotta backtracking in this comment lmfao

That's not a trad relationship that's a catastrophizing of a trad relationship.

i said that’s what people usually think about trad relationships, and this is not the kind of relationship i want.

No that's how women view a trad relationship and it's nonsense.

it’s actually how many people see trad relationships, men included.

Which is why I said 99%

that’s still not realistic and you know it, but oooookay.

“99% of traditional women aren’t abusive.” see, i can make unrealistic statements too.

Which is why women's view on trad relationships is wrong. Men never treated women the way feminists insist they did. Men never treated women as slaves who couldn't even meekly offer an opinion.

i didn’t know women never experienced abuse. i’ll have to fact-check that.

Even now in the middle east women basically control the household.

are you middle eastern or have been there?

So I'll ask you again, why would the male be so invested in making sure his wife was miserable that he would not even allow her to choose what is for dinner? What benefit would be derive from that?

i don’t know, you’d have to ask abusive individuals why they enjoy abusing others to find that out.

That would be a lot of work for literally no reward it's no unrealistic it's not even worth entertaining.

you must not have ever encountered an abusive individual then.

The man had veto power. He could decide he didn't like an option and say no to it and his wife had to listen. The idea that this means he used this power for every single decision is a brain dead take.

that’s fine. just saying, that was the scenario. your opinion of the scenario is “irrelevant,” as you like to say.

Basically if you believe that your husband wanting you to not do something means jack shit to you, then yes you're not in a trad relationship, your picking and choosing which aspects of trad benefit you while expecting him to live up to every trad expectation without exception.

and yet, this isn’t what i said or believe.

what i said was very simple. i should have the right to say no, set boundaries as i see fit, and make decisions on what affects solely myself. if that’s not a trad relationship, then so be it. your opinion of what is and isn’t a trad relationship really doesn’t affect me regardless.

to me, that’s a trad relationship if we are both fulfilling our assigned roles. i don’t see how i’m not fulfilling my role because i had the audacity to say i should have some agency. never said deferring to my husband was an issue, never said following him was an issue, never said him having veto power was an issue. you just made the assumption that it was.

whatever you’re trying to prove is stupid af and untrue, and i knew that from the moment your name came up in my mentions.

I don't think you know what this means

no, you don’t know what this means. you’ve been trying to trip me up to get a specific answer out of me to prove some narrative about how women never want the “downsides” of trad relationships and literally admitted it, then continued twist my argument in 5 different directions to make it seem like i’m lying. not to mention i’ve caught you in straight up lies. that’s very much the definition of arguing in bad faith. you literally even admitted to it, that your intention was never to debate. again, that is the definition of arguing in bad faith.

if you were arguing in good faith, you wouldn’t have began your argument with an accusation, and you would’ve accepted when i said this is not true. you’d actually be able to civilly disagree and find some common ground somewhere. except you didn’t, you went out of your way to find some flaw in my argument that confirms your negative biases of women.

what makes an argument bad faith is intention. you admitted your intentions, which prove you’re arguing in bad faith.

read up on those links if you actually care to know what “arguing in bad faith” means.

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“99% of traditional women aren’t abusive.” see, i can make unrealistic statements too.

Ok? Unless we have stats that say otherwise I see no problem operating from that theoretical circumstance.

i didn’t know women never experienced abuse. i’ll have to fact-check that.

I'm bad faith arguing but this is you literally strawmanning what I'm saying.

i don’t know, you’d have to ask abusive individuals why they enjoy abusing others to find that out.

If you literally cannot think of one logical reason than it's pretty safe to assume it's not common isn't it?

that’s fine. just saying, that was the scenario. your opinion of the scenario is “irrelevant,” as you like to say.

No though, it isn't. In the discussion of what the man's role is in a trad relationship either both of our opinions on the matter are relevant or neither are. You can't say my opinion isn't relevant simply because it differs from yours.

what i said was very simple. i should have the right to say no, set boundaries as i see fit, and make decisions on what affects solely myself.

And there's no reason to believe you couldn't do that 99% of the time in a trad relationship

But in reality if you wanted to wear a thong bikini to swim with children your man might have a problem with that. There's several scenarios where just because it pertains to you doesn't mean the man would be okay with it.

that’s not a trad relationship, then so be it.

Which is why I said you want the aspects of trad that benefit you and not the parts that don't?

Don't you see what you're doing here and why it's dishonest?

to me, that’s a trad relationship if we are both fulfilling our assigned roles. i don’t see how i’m not fulfilling my role because i had the audacity to say i should have some agency.

Some? You're saying you should have zero responsibility to cater to your partners opinions because again, there's no evidence that suggests just because men could always say no that they did.

never said deferring to my husband was an issue, never said following him was an issue, never said him having veto power was an issue. you just made the assumption that it was.

That's trad what the fuck is going on here seriously? If your husband can do no to anything he wants and you listen then that's trad. If you want to say you don't want to listen to him on matters you feel only pertain to you that's not trad. Make a decision.

whatever you’re trying to prove is stupid af and untrue, and i knew that from the moment your name came up in my mentions.

So you began with the assumption I was wrong and worked your way backwards yet I'm the one debating in bad faith?

not to mention i’ve caught you in straight up lies.

No you didn't please prove that or stop making shit up. Our difference of opinion on what trad is, is not evidence of me lying.

you literally even admitted to it, that your intention was never to debate. again, that is the definition of arguing in bad faith.

It wasn't my intention to debate because it was very clear what you said. If you wanted to turn it into a debate you'd have to say something like "the things that don't benefit me that I accept from a trad relationship are..." But you didn't. Therefore I didn't intend to debate because I can't debate you unless you form a cohesive argument.

My initial comment was a comment, not an invitation to debate is what i was saying. I was not saying I refused to discuss or debate the issue, I was saying that I was stating what I viewed to be a fact not something controversial to be debated.

if you were arguing in good faith, you wouldn’t have began your argument with an accusation,

If I were trying to frame it as a debate and not just a simple statement, sure.

and you would’ve accepted when i said this is not true.

That's categorically not how debating works. One person says something is not true so the debate is over? Newp.

you’d actually be able to civilly disagree and find some common ground somewhere.

I don't see how I'm not being civil. You literally feel attacked because I pointed out that you won't accept your full trad responsibility but want your man to fulfill his trad role fully. YOU ADMIT THIS. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE A SLAVE.

So I don't understand what you're even saying. You admit you don't want the part of trad you don't feel benefits you (your man having final say in all matters), but for some reason phrasing it as I have you suddenly forget that you admitted that.

Did you or did you not admit you didn't want your man to have final say in everything.

If you did then I'm right. That's the aspect of trad that you feel doesn't benefit you that you don't want. It's really that fucking simple and the only reason you didn't just agree is because of some animosity towards me.

except you didn’t, you went out of your way to find some flaw in my argument that confirms your negative biases of women.

Some flaw? You and I agree that there is an aspect to trad that you feel doesn't benefit you that you don't want kiddo. You're tiresome.

what makes an argument bad faith is intention. you admitted your intentions,

You misconstrued my saying that my initial statement wasn't meant to start a debate as me saying that I didn't intend to have an open discussion.

which prove you’re arguing in bad faith.

Sorta like when you said you knew I was wrong when you saw my username before you even saw what I wrote?

Hmm. Pot calling the kettle black much?

read up on those links if you actually care to know what “arguing in bad faith” means.

I care what it means dude. Making a statement that you didn't intend to start a debate isn't arguing in bad faith. You can only debate or argue in bad faith when a debate or argument is taking place.

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I'm bad faith arguing but this is you literally strawmanning what I'm saying.

i mean saying 99% of traditional men aren’t abusive is basically saying virtually no woman experiences abuse in relationships like that, and that’s just not realistic.

If you literally cannot think of one logical reason than it's pretty safe to assume it's not common isn't it?

i never claimed it was common.

No though, it isn't. In the discussion of what the man's role is in a trad relationship either both of our opinions on the matter are relevant or neither are. You can't say my opinion isn't relevant simply because it differs from yours.

oh so your opinions are always relevant, but mine aren’t. very interesting, because several times you told me my statements were irrelevant when i was just voicing my opinion. now that it’s being done to you, it’s “you can’t say my opinion isn’t relevant simply because it differs from yours.”

i’m not saying it’s irrelevant because it’s different from mine, i’m saying it’s irrelevant because i believe it is.

And there's no reason to believe you couldn't do that 99% of the time in a trad relationship

and i said, several times now, that i don’t.

But in reality if you wanted to wear a thong bikini to swim with children your man might have a problem with that. There's several scenarios where just because it pertains to you doesn't mean the man would be okay with it.

and my man has every right to voice his opinion of that and state he doesn’t appreciate me wearing a thong bikini with the children.

that’s different than, say, he decides what clothes i am allowed to wear and when i’m allowed to wear them (again, what people tend to think of when they think of trad relationships).

see, the first quote is collaborative (i have an option). the second isn’t (no options). this is the difference i’m making between what i want vs. what people tend to think of when they think of trad relationships. you just keep conflating the two.

and this scenario perfectly fits my “if the issue affects us, our lifestyle, or our children, i will defer to him” stance. if i’m swimming with the children, i believe he has every right to expect me to dress modestly around them.

but this scenario wouldn’t happen anyway, because what traditional woman wears a thong bikini to swim with her kids?

Which is why I said you want the aspects of trad that benefit you and not the parts that don't?

by “then so be it,” i mean if you believe that means the relationship isn’t trad then so be it.

just because you don’t think it’s a trad relationship doesn’t mean i have to agree with that.

Don't you see what you're doing here and why it's dishonest?

i don’t see how i’m being dishonest because i believe everything i’m saying to be true, but i do i see you constantly twisting my words to suit your narrative.

Some? You're saying you should have zero responsibility to cater to your partners opinions because again, there's no evidence that suggests just because men could always say no that they did.

nowhere did i even suggest a notion like this.

never said catering to my husband’s opinions was an issue, never said deferring to my husband was an issue, never said following him was an issue, never said him having veto power was an issue. you just made the assumption that it was.

That's trad what the fuck is going on here seriously? If your husband can do no to anything he wants and you listen then that's trad. If you want to say you don't want to listen to him on matters you feel only pertain to you that's not trad. Make a decision.

i know that. i already made a decision. i stated from the very beginning i like trad relationship dynamics, and no i’m not only picking the ones that benefit me. it is you who confused yourself by turning my arguments into word salad and accusing me of saying things i never said.

So you began with the assumption I was wrong and worked your way backwards yet I'm the one debating in bad faith?

nope,

not to mention i’ve caught you in straight up lies.

No you didn't please prove that or stop making shit up. Our difference of opinion on what trad is, is not evidence of me lying.

you literally told me you never said i was yelling after asking me why i was yelling at you. you claimed, and are still claiming, i made statements i never made.

that’s called lying, armadillo.

It wasn't my intention to debate because it was very clear what you said. If you wanted to turn it into a debate you'd have to say something like "the things that don't benefit me that I accept from a trad relationship are..." But you didn't. Therefore I didn't intend to debate because I can't debate you unless you form a cohesive argument.

My initial comment was a comment, not an invitation to debate is what i was saying. I was not saying I refused to discuss or debate the issue, I was saying that I was stating what I viewed to be a fact not something controversial to be debated.

well it became an argument. there was a clear back and forth.

If I were trying to frame it as a debate and not just a simple statement, sure.

doesn’t matter what you were trying to frame it as.

That's categorically not how debating works. One person says something is not true so the debate is over? Newp.

not what i said.

I don't see how I'm not being civil. You literally feel attacked because I pointed out that you won't accept your full trad responsibility but want your man to fulfill his trad role fully. YOU ADMIT THIS. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE A SLAVE.

you’re never civil, for one.

two, i don’t feel attacked.

three, i didn’t admit that. i stated that a person who has absolutely no agency is a slave. if the slave has the option to eat, shit, set boundaries, and do either of those things at will, then they are not a slave. if i have the option to say no, i’m not a slave.

deferring to my husband’s leadership /= he is my slave master.

So I don't understand what you're even saying. You admit you don't want the part of trad you don't feel benefits you (your man having final say in all matters), but for some reason phrasing it as I have you suddenly forget that you admitted that.

Did you or did you not admit you didn't want your man to have final say in everything.

quote where i made this statement.

i certainly don’t remember ever saying that.

when i think of “in everything” i think “okay, does that mean my husband gets final say in what i eat for breakfast every morning? or what time i go to bed at night? or when i wash my ass?” now, the obvious answer is “no, that’s ridiculous. you’re not a slave.” which is why i said i want to be a wife, not a slave.

okay, then that means i still have some agency and deferring to my husband for any and every single decision that doesn’t need to involve him is not necessary.

If you did then I'm right. That's the aspect of trad that you feel doesn't benefit you that you don't want. It's really that fucking simple and the only reason you didn't just agree is because of some animosity towards me.

i never said i had an issue with my man having the final say. you interpreted my comments that way.

Some flaw? You and I agree that there is an aspect to trad that you feel doesn't benefit you that you don't want kiddo.

i said i don’t want to be a slave, not that i don’t want to defer to my husband’s leadership.

You're tiresome.

so are you.

You misconstrued my saying that my initial statement wasn't meant to start a debate as me saying that I didn't intend to have an open discussion.

seems like it went in that direction anyway.

you had to have known this was gonna turn into a back and forth with a comment like that.

Sorta like when you said you knew I was wrong when you saw my username before you even saw what I wrote?

yes, that you were wrong about accusing me of only wanting “what benefits me.”

and i wasn’t saying that in bad faith. i wholeheartedly believe that statement, and believe you are wrong here. in order for it to be in bad faith, i’d have to be lying and arguing under false pretenses. i’m not. i let you know exactly what premise were arguing under (that i already believed you were being disingenuous) from the very beginning, i didn’t intentionally deceive you or hide my motives.

Hmm. Pot calling the kettle black much?

this difference is i didn’t come for you, you came for me. plus, i’m actually being genuine.

I care what it means dude. Making a statement that you didn't intend to start a debate isn't arguing in bad faith. You can only debate or argue in bad faith when a debate or argument is taking place.

that’s not why i said you argue in bad faith.

and an argument is clearly taking place. if you didn’t know, now you know.

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Pick almost any story on FDS and Relationship_advice. RPW was linked today with a woman talking about how her husband keeps sending her hot Instagram models.

One woman has been with a man over 8 years. He couldn't be bothered to go file for divorce to marry her. She filed all she could for him herself. Live in gf of course he relies on her for life.

One woman spent over 12 years as a hopeful gf living and doing all domestic care of course. She pushes he he finally asks her with chicken nuggets and spends all the money for anything remotely nice on his new toys

Countless women on social media showing themselves crying, heartbroken, house a mess with screaming children while low value men game

Countless women supporting gold digging men who give nothing of value but community dick and stress and illegitimate children

Number of women describing they really hate their partners porn addiction or abusive "BDSM" sex with no aftercare. Women literally ending up in the hospital more frequently with someone of them even dying.

This goes on. And on.

All this bc in their mind being single cat ladies (ugly femcels no one wants bc men say only such women die alone and deserve it) indicate that they are not worth love.

The same women I advocate for find it humiliating and shameful to admit that if THESE are your literal only options, some of you don't actually have options. Volunteering body and mind for male utility isn't being chosen.

Even for women who are in no way ugly of course. Society telling women they are just as good as the ugly femcel past 30 has some of them operating as if it's true.

I'm sure some low IQ manospherian who asserts its only Chad doing this probably won't do the math. How can Chad be the top 10 or 20% of men yet this so common between single and taken women alike

They don't want the fate of femcels so they do anything to not be alone. The more groups like FDS prove its actually better to be single than be with LVM, the more the stigma will lose its control on women. I can't wait. Because women don't deserve this from the male sex.

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Please do not project your dream man onto women. We have different taste with most of us wanting the attractive man in the same body as the decent man. I have one of these.

It's really interesting how men act as if attractive men can't be dynamic individuals who love their families and mates. It's like yall look down on men. Meanwhile men expect women to manage to be sexually attractive and not a piece of shit. Mother material. Of course they can take it an leave it, largely choosing the hot piece of shit over the unattractive good woman so really, I'm not seeing men having a leg to stand on on this

By the way, a regular guy not getting fucked like Chad is miles away from the abuse ugly women get for being alive while unattractive. If you're not aware what guys do to ugly women, I'm happy to educate you.

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And yet, those who didn't have that luxury, also crumbled immediately, desperately flailing through life until being rescued by the manosphere... Not sure what your point is, as it is clear that both groups need help to get anywhere, just one group was smart enough to figure that out early on.

The difference is that the red pill has to actively learn something while the blue pill gets it easily handed to them without ever having to learn a thing. Just look at how useless women are when there's no one around they can open their legs up for in exchange for anything.

That is very presumptuous of you to believe my life is on easy mode, sounds more like a weak attempt to frame up a life of medicority and obscurity, as an achievement instead of the complete waste it likely is, but I'm sure that's not the case with you...

Everyone thinks they have a tough life with issues they overcome, including rich kids who've had everything handed to them and cool kids who've had everyone else laying out the red carpet for their easy-mode success.

And they always get mad when you point it out to them.

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TRP is the equivalent of using a walkthrough to play a game because a person is so shit at figuring it out for themselves. There is nothing active about doing what others worked hard to figure out, it's actually lazier than figuring it out by playing, which most everyone else did just fine.

I'm sure you hand-sew all of your clothing, farm all of your food and hand-built every component that you're using to post in this thread, just like a real man would. Wouldn't want to be lazy now.

In any case, neither group is particularly adept at navigating life alone, so I'm not sure why you think going through life on easy mode is worse than being unsuccessful without access to it. I guess it's easier to cry unfair than admit failure...

It's the people going through life on easy mode setting all the standards and who are never going to otherwise care about anyone else, and the only way you change those standards, or so Feminism and Civil Rights and every other major change in history has taught me, is to continue to apply social pressure until it happens.

I'm glad you managed to get that right, just make sure you look in the mirror next time you use it...

The key word is "thinks", which those people especially never actually do (because why would you need to, everything is handed to you easily).

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Haha, yes, there is definitely parity between having to be told, step by step, how to be a man and making everything yourself. If that's your metric, I guess we're all on easy mode, congratulations, welcome to the party

That was just pointing the absolute stupidity of what you just said. We couldn't even communicate like this if someone or a collection of someone's didn't teach us step-by-step how to read and write. Some people get it quicker than others, but pretending like you've figured everything out yourself is a pretty big joke.

But back on track, yes, I get it, you SJW types all think you're part of some great movement that's going to change the world. Best of luck with that. Oh, and "thinks" is also the keyword for most of the manosphere, yourself included. I would willing to bet even a surface level pass of your life would show it isn't all that difficult.

I'm not an SJW. Not one of you wannabe chest-beating tough-guys either. Joe Rogan is literally 5 foot 3.

Just in case you're losing track of where this is going, I believe this is the part where you either say you're not actually red pill and/or that you do fine in life and you're just advocating for the less fortunate...

I was actually waiting for you to pretend you've actually difficulty in your life and somehow you earned anything, but no shock there, you rolled over and died on that one.

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And there it is, some people figured it out quicker, yet you deride them for not struggling, very weird, but not unexpected. Most of us figured stuff out via experience, we didn't hop onto the internet and learn that women don't like weak, fickle dudes, we observed it for ourselves and went from there. There was, of course, help along the way from our social groups. Outside of that, we didn't receive or require anything as paint-by-numbers as TRP and you claim our way was easy mode. I admire your dedication to the delusion that the people who used the strategy guide to play the game are the skilled ones, but we both know that is rarely ever the case.

I also like how my observations of you are based on what you're actually saying on here, while yours are based on what you believe me to be. I'm beginning to see why you need TRP, the way you jump to the wrong conclusions so readily probably doesn't serve you well in most avenues of life.

As far as the difficulty in my social/dating life, it certainly wasn't easy, but nothing I couldn't overcome. If you want to go shot for shot on it, we can see who had it harder if you like. Just don't get butthurt when it doesn't go your way...

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And there it is, some people figured it out quicker, yet you deride them for not struggling, very weird, but not unexpected.

They don't "figure it out" themselves, it gets easily handed to them, just like everything else they do.

Most of us figured stuff out via experience, we didn't hop onto the internet and learn that women don't like weak, fickle dudes, we observed it for ourselves and went from there. There was, of course, help along the way from our social groups. Outside of that, we didn't receive or require anything as paint-by-numbers as TRP and you claim our way was easy mode. I admire your dedication to the delusion that the people who used the strategy guide to play the game are the skilled ones, but we both know that is rarely ever the case.

Great athletes often make shit coaches at their own sports because they have no actual idea how to accomplish things, they just did it naturally.

Same deal here. It's a bunch of easy-moders complaining that people who actually do something about it are even bothering to do something about it, because they had it handed to them, they never had to figure it out for themselves

I also like how my observations of you are based on what you're actually saying on here, while yours are based on what you believe me to be. I'm beginning to see why you need TRP, the way you jump to the wrong conclusions so readily probably doesn't serve you well in most avenues of life.

I like how you actually think you're making observations, as if you actually know how to rub two brain cells together and form a coherent thought.

Again, people on easy-mode don't know how to think, they've never had to do it in their lives

As far as the difficulty in my social/dating life, it certainly wasn't easy, but nothing I couldn't overcome.

See, fake belief that you actually did anything that was remotely difficult.

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Chicks love tall guys, hell the manlets post the studies supporting it often, you have to know you have a huge advantage out of the gate, sorry that is a fact. You don't get to erase it because it's inconvenient to the self narrative of your "struggles"

No, they love tall guys who can throw them around and kill another guy with their bare hands. "Joe Rogan is literally 5 foot 3."

I would not of been able to scrape together "normal" without effort, so I fail to see how my outcome points to how easy I had it. Especially from someone who has studies out there showing how much easier they have it than the average guy... Nice try though

Companies and schools have race quotas, you'll literally get in no matter what just because of your skin colour. That's vaulting up to UMC easy-mode just because the actual UMC like patting themselves on the back for giving the "underprivileged" a chance

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you want to go whole life as a 6'4 middle class white guy?

Ah ah ah, I said it was grown into. We lived on skid-row until inflation and the cops eventually made the houses we lived in worth more than junkies and drug addicts could afford, and that was later on in high school when the major industry of the town went belly-up. There was also a low-income housing complex diagonally across the street.

Also, 6'4" and skinny as fuck. Height doesn't matter without heft behind it.

Let's stick to women, dating, and stuff like that, you'll still lose, but at least you have a chance in this arena

Yeah, okay. Literally grew up with rap and hip-hop being the most popular form of music among women along with everything else I already listed. If you didn't find willing white girls, then you have to be autistic or oblivious.

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I was also skinny as fuck, and short, so advantage is still you, sorry bout ya. You were poorer, I was darker, that's a wash.

Darker is an advantage when it comes to women.

I grew up in the PNW in the 90's... There wasn't even a rap station, it was country, grunge and top 40, so no, I wasn't some sort of hot commodity and I didn't fit the image of the urban black hip hop dude (I was short and skinny remember?), so that wouldn't of mattered much

I'm from there too, every white kid I knew in high school was driving around with the bass up as loud as possible to even the most generic rap of the day, and it was because the girls liked it.

If I was living easy mode and making no efforts through life, I wouldn't need to do much of anything and girls would be all over me, and yet it didn't happen... So what's the deal? If I was autistic (I'm not) or oblivious it still means I wasn't on easy mode, so thanks for that

Oblivious counts as easy-mode.

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Then 90% of TRP bros are also easy mode, because that's their only crime... They were oblivious that they needed to be fit and assertive to get chicks

Nope, feminist society bluepills everyone. Black people grow up naturally redpilled.

So what's your struggle then, since it can't be ignorance because being oblivious to reality doesn't count. What effort did you have to put forth above the average man?

I unfortunately liked uncool shit like video games instead of normie shit like hip-hop, and women only hated video games until Chad chose them over her. Otherwise, not UMC enough for most of the girls there, too skinny to reasonably beat the shit out of other people and attract women that way, and I didn't and don't bother with drugs because every moron around here did them.

Just show up and play a hip-hop song and you'll have some coal-burner or another interested in you and some UMC wanting to show how inclusive and diverse they are.

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I just going to chalk up your ignorance to the naivety of youth, haha. You clearly have no idea what growing up in white america in the 90's played out like as a black kid...

I guess I'm thankful you don't, just like I have no idea how it was in the 70's and 80's... Progress and all that

But it's hilarious that you think being into video games and being tall, skinny and white really held you back in the dating game. Even though studies show women prefer tall white dudes over all others, no, you had the real struggle cause you weren't buff and liked video games, both easily solvable problems, but you were probably oblivious to that at the time... Easy mode

You can try and frame the 6'4 white guy in the west had to work for it, but you'll be hard pressed to find an echo chamber for that pity party

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I just going to chalk up your ignorance to the naivety of youth, haha. You clearly have no idea what growing up in white america in the 90's played out like as a black kid...

How does one grow up a black kid with white parents and a white upbringing? Carlton Banks at least had black parents to make things even slightly hard for him.

But it's hilarious that you think being into video games and being tall, skinny and white really held you back in the dating game. Even though studies show women prefer tall white dudes over all others, no, you had the real struggle cause you weren't buff and liked video games, both easily solvable problems, but you were probably oblivious to that at the time... Easy mode

Women prefer tall dudes with size on them, not skinny-mode. Also I was never going to give up video games just for hagging and nagging bitches who don't offer anything fun of their own (and also liked airheaded bullshit like talking about nothing with nobodies), and working out is the most braind-dead, boring as shit thing I've ever done (which didn't help I'm a hard-gainer, long shot-blocking arms aren't good for that bullshit)

You can try and frame the 6'4 white guy in the west had to work for it, but you'll be hard pressed to find an echo chamber for that pity party

You're a literal fetish for white women and you love stereotypically "black" things which white women also love. Legitimate easy mode.

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Where are you getting this from? What stereotypical black things do I like? I grew up in the country listening to country and 90's alternative. My fav bands are Smashing Pumpkins and AFI. FFVII came out when I was a sophomore in H.S. and fucked my world up, been gaming hard ever since. I like racing cars, watching soccer, and fly fishing... You know the tenets of black interest. You're almost comically wrong about everything, to the point I've concluded you don't actually mean anything you're saying at this point..

You are what white women love, per actual studies, which trumps your narrative all day. You CHOSE to not bulk up and, you CHOSE to play video games instead of chase girls. You are Tom Brady if he decided to stay inside and play video games instead of football. Wasted potential does not equal difficulty, but it does explain why you need a manual to figure out those basics.

You somehow hit the easy mode jackpot and still managed to fail at it... Impressive, but not a case for how hard your life is, just how much you've wasted it

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Where are you getting this from? What stereotypical black things do I like? I grew up in the country listening to country and 90's alternative. My fav bands are Smashing Pumpkins and AFI. FFVII came out when I was a sophomore in H.S. and fucked my world up, been gaming hard ever since. I like racing cars, watching soccer,

Soccer is one of the blackest sports out there. The France/Africa joke every World Cup comes up for a reason.

and fly fishing... You know the tenets of black interest. You're almost comically wrong about everything, to the point I've concluded you don't actually mean anything you're saying at this point..

Literally just complained about no hip-hop, complained about how hard "being black" is somehow when you're Colin Kaepernick as fuck.

You are what white women love, per actual studies, which trumps your narrative all day. You CHOSE to not bulk up and,

I did try working out, it fucking did nothing but waste my time. I would have to be a dedicated bodybuilder in order to put muscle on my frame, and it's boring as fuck.

you CHOSE to play video games instead of chase girls.

They weren't interested either way.

You are Tom Brady if he decided to stay inside and play video games instead of football. Wasted potential does not equal difficulty, but it does explain why you need a manual to figure out those basics.

You're literally a white woman's fetish with none of the downsides of actually being black, you had it just as easy or even easier than most of the easy-mode normies do and yet you needed "to move away" for it.

I'd be shocked if you even knew basics.

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I tried to respond bro, but it's beyond your intellectual grasp unfortunately. You couldn't even accept basic realities like being tall is a social advantage. If you are unable to understand that, what chance do you have of comprehending anything else I'm saying?

You've also gone from calling me stereotypically black to a redneck in a matter of minutes which tells me you have issues with mental stability and are prone to emotional outbursts resulting in you just vomiting words and seeing what sticks. I can't have a conversation with a person who jumps from fragmented ideas to insults and back again. It probably makes sense to you, but your rambling is barely coherent, a testament both to your disability and your struggle to overcome it.

Finally, you went from telling me I had it on easy mode to telling me what I need to do to succeed like one would on TRP. This is strange, considering you're making the case for me that TRP guys are on the same easy mode. How many are told to lift and that advice alone nets the serious social gains? This is no different than the "advice" you're giving me, but for "reasons" I'm on easy mode while you are not. I wish you could see the massive logical inconsistencies with your whole approach to this, but again, your disability prevents you from doing so.

So you see, we simply cannot have the exchanging of idea you seek, not in your current state. Sorry bro. I hope you get the help you need...

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I tried to respond bro, but it's beyond your intellectual grasp unfortunately. You couldn't even accept basic realities like being tall is a social advantage. If you are unable to understand that, what chance do you have of comprehending anything else I'm saying?

And as someone who actually is tall, I have to reinforce that height only matters with weight behind it. I literally had adults ask me if I was eating okay because of how skinny I was (and I was eating a lot)

You've also gone from calling me stereotypically black to a redneck in a matter of minutes which tells me you have issues with mental stability and are prone to emotional outbursts resulting in you just vomiting words and seeing what sticks. I can't have a conversation with a person who jumps from fragmented ideas to insults and back again. It probably makes sense to you, but your rambling is barely coherent, a testament both to your disability and your struggle to overcome it.

I'm only going off of you leading with "it's so hard to be black, there's no hip-hop and I'm surround by white people" only to suddenly have it change to "Well I'm basically a white person but it was still hard too! Won't say how, but it was! W-watch the news, yeah, like that!"

Finally, you went from telling me I had it on easy mode to telling me what I need to do to succeed like one would on TRP. This is strange, considering you're making the case for me that TRP guys are on the same easy mode. How many are told to lift and that advice alone nets the serious social gains? This is no different than the "advice" you're giving me, but for "reasons" I'm on easy mode while you are not. I wish you could see the massive logical inconsistencies with your whole approach to this, but again, your disability prevents you from doing so.

I mean, you're the one who literally has a "you have a giant dick" stereotype attached to what you claim to be and yet you pretend like you had problems with women. It's hard to make heads or tails of it when you can't even lock down a single identity coherently.

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When it comes with other shit, being a skinny black kid is not a fetish any more than being a skinny tall kid. But again, you know this.

But even with the fetish, it's not mainstream, like being tall. You are intentionally minimizing the appeal of your height to ALL women, while maximizing a fetish with white chicks only. You pretend that being black period is enough, it is not, which should be evident by you constantly attaching additional requirements to being tall. There are actual studies attributing height to having an easier life both romantically and professionally, can you find one that says being black is easy mode to getting chicks or succeeding in life? It's time to throw up something to back these outlandish claims.

At this point it's clear you're either deadset on trying to be right at the cost of credibility, or you have an impairment that is preventing rational thought...

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But even with the fetish, it's not mainstream, like being tall. You are intentionally minimizing the appeal of your height to ALL women, while maximizing a fetish with white chicks only.

Mine's a feature, yours is an outright fetish. No woman fucks someone "just because they're tall", whereas coal-burners absolutely exist.

There are actual studies attributing height to having an easier life both romantically and professionally,

As a feature, not because of it, unless you're 7 feet tall, in which case you've likely played in the NBA.

Also generally women only care about men taller than them. The average height of a woman is like 5'4", which means half of them are slightly smaller than that, so even a below average man doesn't have to do much to reach a woman's minimum requirements.

can you find one that says being black is easy mode to getting chicks or succeeding in life? It's time to throw up something to back these outlandish claims.

lol

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IME it’s because men are the pursuers.

I’m dating a woman now but she’s my first gf and do you know how fucking hard it is to find a femme woman also seeking a relationship with a femme woman? It was luck of the draw. Seriously it’s not like she’s wearing a “hey I like women” sticker. You honestly can’t tell. So a lot of the interaction is sussing to see if she even likes women. There was a hilarious Twitter thread on this with women telling their stories on how they navigate this in the wild or at parties.

Anyway, if a woman likes women but looks femme, which is most bi women, then it means she’s very attractive to men as well. Which means she’s being hit on and asked out boldly by 99 dudes a month just in the streets. It’s why most out and obvious lesbians have a certain look. It’s because you don’t notice the other ones.

Also generally, it’s similar in the gay male community. The most desired person in the gay male community is “trade” AKA a masculine top. Think Heath Ledger in Brokeback Mountain. Trade is so hard to find because it’s so much easier for him to live a normal life if he just presents as straight. So he gets married to a woman and goes on Grindr and fucks my gay male friends on the sly tip.

Anyway it’s easier for bi women to date men for this reason because being the status quo is an easier life. Also as a decently attractive woman it falls in my lap. I don’t have to search for it because he’s pursuing me. Also procreation is also easier in a heterosexual relationship.

I think that’s the main reason.

Also most “bi” women I know don’t lead with “bi.” They don’t discuss their sexuality at all. Many of them are married to men presently but have always silently liked or dated women. I don’t even lead with labels. I just introduce my gf and ignore questions like that.

TLDR: It’s less that they prefer men. It’s more that being femme makes men prefer them and that sparks a series of events.Relevant TikTok.

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Yeah I get that, I had a similar theory mulling around in my head for a while when it came to that distinction with dating with regards to bi men and women.

Same sex relationships struggle enough as is with working with a smaller population size and having to actually guess and check, "okay is she into me or is she being nice?" or "is he gay or just European?". So I can definitely get it on that front.

Personally, I've always thought with regards to how queer dating is done, gay and bi men tend to have an easier time adapting then lesbian and bi women mainly because traditional gender roles with regards to dating make it easier for men than for women. The move from pursuers to pursued imo is just easier than moving from pursued to pursuer.

I also agree that they probably don't have a leading preference for men as much as things just turn out that way due to circumstance, the person actively trying to get your attention is probably gonna be the one to get it.

It does make me wonder though. Like I have a bi girl friend who is currently in a relationship with a guy. She's head over heels for him, but she is kinda feeling some type of way about never having been with a woman, nothing serious or relationship shattering but some faint regret and curiosity. Now if their relationship ended and she was free to do so, I'm kinda thinking "Would she even know how navigate something like that?".

Like for me, my last boyfriend asked me out, I liked him so I said yes, I ended up being the one to plan the date (where we went, what time, how we'd get there, etc) because I thought "well he asked me out, now it's my turn to do something". In that way I guess we kind of split the role of pursuer in the traditional sense, he handled the approach and I handled the leading. It was easy enough because queer or not we're both kind of expected to. So for gay relationships it's more of a matter of when rather than if, most of the time.

I will say for the case mentioned in the Twitter thread in the OP, part of that reasoning falls a little flat. Online dating/dating apps take out the hassle of having to figure out whether the femme-presenting girl is into women, you (general you) know she is. That's why you set your filter to women, that's why it says lesbian/bi in her bio, that's why y'all liked and matched with each other lol.

(But as a counterpoint to that, you will get a lot of other problems like "gold-star lesbians" and girls that are just "dipping their toes" into women so I guess online isn't necessarily that much easier)

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Yep.

It's hard for me to watch "TV" without solving nonograms or playing a video game that doesn't require much concentration or processing words (world of warcraft, path of exile) on half the screens, so that I would see the movie through peripheral vision.

If I have nothing else how to engage my brain, it engages itself by daydreaming. Even actively thinking about different scenarios on the "TV" or analysing characters, while completely missing out what is being said in the movie. It's like when you re\d a page and can't remember what was in the page that you ust read.

I even started to walk while reading on my e-book reader. I walk a known route in my bckyard, so walking is on autopilot and the peripheral vision help to see obstacles (like the dog suddensly being on my route). If I read in bed I get sleepy, if I read while sitting I tend to daydream. Another thing that helps me to concentrate a bit while reading is reading out loud (while also trying to make a bit different voices for the character and adapting the tone (like angry tone if the character is angry)).

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Oh, I (F) have some actual knowledge on this sort of thing.

The custody agreement will outline what extras will be paid for by the parents outside the day-to-day expenses covered by child support. This could be school tuition, medical expenses, dental insurance, child care, travel expenses (if the parents don't live in the same city), etc. If something like summer camp isn't spelled out directly in the custody agreement, Parent A who wants the summer camp would have to ask Parent B to pay, but Parent B is entitled to say no. Parent A could take Parent B to court over the expense, but it's probably not worth it unless it's extreme cases like a big, unexpected medical expense.

There was actually a post in another popular sub recently about a mom asking her child's dad to pay for gymnastics lessons. He didn't want to pay, and he doesn't have to.

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Do suburban kids guys grow up playing pick-up basketball or pick-up football or pick-up soccer?

Not anymore, but when I was a kid yes we did all the time.

Now kids rarely play outside. In part because we've been trained to fear everything due to how the internet and social media work.

Whats funny is it was statistically worse in the 70's and 80's but I was basically allowed out of the house until sundown even as a 7 year old, my only restrictions were I wasn't allowed to cross one busy street, which I did anyways since the McDonalds was on the other side and when you are 8-9 years old with a few bucks in your pocket is like Shangri la.

Video games are only part of this, parenting is a bigger part.

I personally think part of why more millennial men are pussies is because they were the first wave of this, don't play outside.

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I must have gone to bed right before you posted this

The really fucked up part of our healthcare system is that people who get lipo, gastric bypass, etc, all have loose skin removal covered by insurance. People who lose it naturally (diet and exercise, sure, but also cases like your friend with crohn’s) don’t have that option and pay through the nose for the exact same procedure

If she is willing to be patient, her skin should regain some elasticity (depending on age - people in their 20s have the best chance of this). Her best bet is to talk to a professional - either a doctor or a nurse practitioner. If she can figure out (maybe by calling the company?) who the Botox trainer in her area is, they are likely one of the most knowledgeable people in the area - they may be a nurse, but I would trust them above and beyond most doctors

They may be able to do some injections, as 40 lbs isn’t that dramatic a weight loss (in the grand scheme of loose skin)

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I'm laughing out loud at this bullshit about men needing to quit online dating. It's as if no one understands that men came to online dating specifically because real life dating had become such an intolerable shitshow that OLD was actually better.

Online dating has one Godlike quality that real life dating will never achieve much less surpass: unlike your job, your friend circle or your activity group, 100% of the women on an OLD site are what we in the insurance industry call pre-qualified leads. That is the holy grail of sales. We pay through the nose for high quality leads - meaning, people who are looking for an insurance policy. They might not be looking for YOU in particular, which is by far the hugest problem with online dating, but they are looking, and that's fucking insanely important.

In OLD every single heterosexual woman on there is a pre-qualified lead because she is there looking for a man. That jumps a man over the most frustrating and sometimes downright dangerous hurdle of them all - the problem of approaching women who aren't even interested in being approached by any man, much less him.

With OLD your social group doesn't ever have to know you're looking. Your activity group doesn't have to know. Your coworkers don't have to know. You're not having to put up with their judgemental attitudes and your odds of MeToo are not totally eliminated but still it is cut down to the below-ten percentage area. It is definitely 500,000% better than cold approaches.

Most importantly if social circles and activity groups, etc. were such good ways to meet mates then why in the fuck is online dating now the dominant way to find a mate? Stuff that doesn't work doesn't last long. Stuff that works worse than other options quickly becomes unpopular. This isn't a case of irrational actors: the move from real life dating to OLD is a mass migration from a more inhospitable environment to a less inhospitable one. Animals don't migrate to new habitats when the old one is better. They don't even migrate just because the grass is greener on the other side. Animals migrate because they have no choice but to. The law of inertia applies here. Objects that ain't in motion don't wanna go into motion. They start moving when something pushes them. Same with men moving to online dating.

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Even with the guys who are sexually successful on apps like tinder they're still fucking a lot of girls who are objectively less attractive then they are. The dirty secret to the success that a lot of the guys on trp are getting on tinder is that they're using a very simple strategy. They're using steroids or sarms, posting pictures at their peak physical state, and sleeping with a lot of basic girls. OLD is about attractive men leveraging their looks against uglier women. Even with the guys who are getting success with it, trying to sleep with a girl who's 8+ is not easy and mostly a fantasy if you're not top 1% or more in looks.

The advantage to cold approach is that you're not defined entirely by your looks and it's much easier to sleep with girls who are objectively better looking than you are. Most guys enjoy the idea of OLD because it solves a big problem for them, which is approach anxiety. They enjoy the idea that they can just sloppily throw up some pictures and randomly download pussy to their bedroom like the anime or videogames they pirate. When they find out it's much harder then that they shit their pants and complain about chads who can do what they can't. They settle for porn and accept their coomer lifestyle.

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I thought east Asian countries generally only wear masks when they're actively sick, or when air pollution is bad, not as a general rule.

Right it’s not a mandate. It’s of their own volition they walk around like this (circa 2015). You seem to be bothered by the “of their own volition part” and are making assumptions as to why people are making the choices they’re making.

As I explained below, it's not the masks that concern me. It's the neuroticism and anti-social behavior that motivates people to wear them after they are no longer that useful. I don't really believe most people are that concerned about the common cold, and it has much more to do with people not wanting to appear as "the bad guy" for not wearing one. Which I just find sad.

Or maybe those people will feel better about going maskless with time. Or never. Or only when they’re sick. Or only when they trust the masses around them. It’s up to them. But you’re free to be annoyed by them lol.

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Had an exchange on the equality thread with someone about why legal prostitution isn’t a solution to sexless men who can’t get dates. Because 1) some men can’t afford it (and we are willing to subsidize other basics like food and rent for people who can’t afford them - ok fair point) and 2) a paid sex worker doesn’t fulfill the emotional connection men are seeking from women.

So I got to thinking....

Once we legalize and normalize prostitution throughout the good old US of A, should we try a pity sex tax credit?

A big part of the reason people are incentivized to donate to charities that help poor people who struggle to afford food and housing is tax deductions.

So what if we incentivized women to give out pity sex to men who can’t afford a market rate sex worker with a tax credit. It would be something they’d take as a deductions at tax time, and the man would never know she was being paid because there was no monetary transaction at the time they had sex.

Men could get sex and keep their dignity, and women could be part of the solution (which I know you all advocate for) in a way that doesn’t force them to do anything they don’t want to do.

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This isn’t a PPD thing but a long time ago I was on a chat server where there was a guy claiming to be a 6’5 blond billionaire with 3 PhDs. He would wax poetic about race theory and white genocide and all manner of bullshit. It eventually came out that he was (as expected) some LARPing teenager. I think the people who doxxed him even managed to find his exact location and job.

The craziest part to me wasn’t the LARPing but the fact that there were multiple ADULTS who actually believed a top 1% looks wealth and intelligence guy spent all day on a fucking irc server. Even as a 17yo I could tell this dude was full of shit. Several of them were even broken up when they found out the guy was making everything up, as if that wasn’t obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

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I suck at finding links, so people better skilled than me can dig those up. But:

OatmealFace - tried to neg his wife in front of her hotter friend (by making fun of her body), and ended up getting completely roasted for his fucked up, acne scarred facial skin

BPP - an amazing bit of mental masterbation where BPP gives some spiel about how boys grow up to replace their fathers, and it’s nature, so you need to put them in their place. All of this was layered with some weird Oedipal Complex shit involving how his wife gets turned on watching him beat his son and constantly prove he is still the alpha. So he writes this amazing fictional piece about how he hog tied his son while roughhousing, tossed him on his own bed, and then took his wife (who was completely turned on by this, natch) and gave her ALL THE ORGASMS

Boatlife - just happened here at PPD. He posted some long self jerk about how single moms are useless and will never prioritize the man and all this stuff about how high value men with money and options need to avoid them. But a quick dive into his history showed that he was a single dad who was so poor he had to live with roommates in his 30s, and basically was a complete deadbeat

User who trained his wife to cum to his voice - self explanatory gibberish

ProtoPill - he was here when I first arrived, about 6 or so years ago. He made a big deal about being some patrician UMC dude with three kids, whose wife was a SAHM and basically LARPed as the perfect TRP gentlemen with the perfect submissive spouse and kids that are seen but not heard. And then somehow it came out that he was in his early 20s, didn’t have a job (or had an unimpressive one) and he was single/played video games all day/lived in his parents basement

There was some other stuff that happened right before I got here, involving Vegas and an affair with a batshit insane female user, but I missed all that. He disappeared after that, though I’d bet he has another alt and is still LARPing

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People who smoke pot shouldn't decide about the legality of pot because of the conflict of interest.

I agree, although I don't think it's a very controversial issue that warrants legislating.

People who use social media shouldn't decide about the legality of social media censorship because of the conflict of interest.

The legality of social media isn't actually in question though, so why use this as an example? As far as I know, it's "not illegal," which means it's legal.

People who shop in Walmart and eat McDonalds shouldn't decide about minimum wage because of the conflict of interest.

Illogical.

People who pay taxes shouldn't decide about taxes because of the conflict of interest.

I agree, but as an aside, I think this is the case because Congress doesn't pay taxes. They also vote on whether to increase their own salary or not, which is also blatant conflict of interest.

In fact, I propose that all decisions in our countries are made by the citizens of Samoa because their are the only ones unlikely to have a conflict if interest with whatever happens over here.

That's fine but the problem with that is that they'd likely make laws more beneficial for whatever they want, like themselves, in which case, that could turn into a conflict of interest even though it isn't an immediate conflict of interest.

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It's not about intent, kiddo.

It's all about intent. If you do something that basically involves the process of having another human life hooked into your body, how are you going to try and blame them? Your actions did it but you try to make it sound as though they are "invading your body" and "using it." All blame-shifting verbiage, even though according to science and biology, it doesn't have the ability to do either of those things by itself.

It's just about the fact that I should be able to decide what happens to my body even if it harms another human being

Yes, that's the fundamental point of disagreement in the argument.

In the same way parents aren't obliged to donate blood or stem cells and stem cells donors can refuse from the donation even if it 100% kill the patient.

No, not in the same way, because it's not a similar argument. You're talking about strangers here and performing a charity for someone when pregnancy involves a direct blood-related offspring that you created through your own actions, which is why the abortion argument is so controversial while donating blood or stem cells or a kidney to a dying stranger is not.

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Women should always have the choice whether they want to keep pregnancy or not.

Women don't know enough about their own bodies to make any assumption on its ability to endure a pregnancy.

But men who believe that women can "close their vagina so rape wouldn't happen" know enough. Suuure.

The fact that our bodies can endure it doesn't mean that we have to endure it and cope with all kinds of complications and health issues it can cause us.

And just considering how many possible complications and health issues there are and how often some of them occur, chances to get at least one of them are really high.

1 in 6 births was affected by gestational diabetes.

Women who had prior GDM have a 36–70% risk of developing type 2 diabetes later in life. Gestational diabetes mellitus (GDM) is a risk factor for the development of endothelial dysfunction and cardiovascular disease.

Preeclampsia is one of the leading causes of maternal morbidity and mortality worldwide. It is a pregnancy-specific multi-organ syndrome that affects 2–8% of pregnancies. There is a significant risk of preeclampsia recurrence in future pregnancies. There is an increased lifetime risk of chronic hypertension, cardiovascular disease (CVD), and stroke in women who experienced preeclampsia during pregnancy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5575578/

Urinary incontinence was reported by 31% of the women 6 months after delivery.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2675011/

And there is also incontinence

Four years after the first delivery, prevalence of stress urinary incontinence was 29% (89/307)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662093/

9 out of 10 women will tear and 1 out of 100 will have 3d (extending away from vaginal wall towards the perineum to the anal sphincter) or 4th (extending into the anal canal as well as the rectum) degree tearing.

And we also have postpartum depression

Postpartum depression (PPD) affects up to 15% of mothers.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3918890/

That also can lead to a bipolar disorder

Approximately 14% of women with first-time psychiatric contacts during the first postpartum month converted to a bipolar diagnosis within the 15-year follow-up period compared with 4% of women with a first psychiatric contact not related to childbirth.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1151054

Pregnancy and vaginal delivery predisposes women to develop hemorrhoids because of hormonal changes and increased intra-abdominal pressure. It has been estimated that 25% to 35% of pregnant women are affected by this condition. In certain populations, up to 85% of pregnancies are affected by hemorrhoids in the third trimester.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2278306/

And I've listed only few things, there are far more complications that a woman can get and there are complications that can haunt her till death.

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Women should always have the choice whether they want to keep pregnancy or not.

According to what? If it's just personal opinion, then nah. Not good enough.

But men who believe that women can "close their vagina so rape wouldn't happen" know enough. Suuure.

Never heard anyone say that before, so it sounds like a retarded anecdote. Not a good one to use as a counterargument.

The fact that our bodies can endure it doesn't mean that we have to endure it and cope with all kinds of complications and health issues it can cause us.

I mean the whole contention is whether you get a choice or not since women's bodies didn't evolve one on it's own, so if abortion isn't provided to you, then you more or less "have to" endure it, or you can just prevent those risks by choosing to not have sex. You can't have all of the benefits without the costs, but you're saying that you "should," and without any actual good reason other than because you want to.

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According to what? If it's just personal opinion, then nah. Not good enough.

According to human rights. Bodily autonomy and all.

Never heard anyone say that before, so it sounds like a retarded anecdote.

It was said by some male white pro-life American politician. I can look it up if you want.

you're saying that you "should," and without any actual good reason other than because you want to

You don't like more practical reasons either. It's cheaper to have abortions rather than unwanted pregnancies and higher women's mortality. You can look at history, read about the Soviet Union or Romania. Abortions ban is always a bad idea.

And women can do abortions themselves, they've been doing it for ages. It's just far riskier and unpredictable.

I also like how you've just ignored all the studies. If we count probability it will give us around ~80% that a woman will get some kind of complication due to pregnancy and giving birth and I haven't listed all of them. That's not a minority of cases in any way.

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According to human rights. Bodily autonomy and all.

So according to the law? Lol. Laws aren't absolute, ma'am.

It was said by some male white pro-life American politician. I can look it up if you want.

Ah, so one man represents an entire group's thoughts and mindset. Noted.

You don't like more practical reasons either. It's cheaper to have abortions rather than unwanted pregnancies and higher women's mortality.

The cost to yourself is not a very good reason either, especially when relating to the whole process of creating human lives. Is the cost of an abortion the price of a human life to you?

You can look at history, read about the Soviet Union or Romania. Abortions ban is always a bad idea.

Women putting themselves at risk is not a problem for everyone else to solve or make accommodations for. Just another not-so-good argument.

And women can do abortions themselves, they've been doing it for ages.

From what I've seen and read, it's almost never been without outside help, so idk if you can really say "themselves" here. Were they really sticking their arms up there and pulling the fetus out "themselves?"

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You keep ignoring the stats. If we count probability it will give us around ~80% that a woman will get some kind of complication due to pregnancy and giving birth and I haven't listed all of them. That's not a minority of cases in any way.

No, according to human rights as moral principles and laws.

Ah, so one man represents an entire group's thoughts and mindset.

There've been a compilation of similar sayings by pro-lifers. If I see it again, I'll send it to you. Overall they tend to have really poor knowledges about pregnancies and anatomy.

The cost to yourself is not a very good reason either, especially when relating to the whole process of creating human lives.

I wasn't talking about the cost for myself, but for society. Having lots of unwanted kids in the system is always a bad idea. Once again, you should read about the effect abortions ban have on society overall. You definitely should read about Ceaușescu.

so idk if you can really say "themselves" here. Were they really sticking their arms up there and pulling the fetus out "themselves?"

There usually were other women who knew how to do it, but there also were methods that were common for "self help". Like drinking some herbal decoction causing bleeding, poking with knitting needless etc.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-consensual_condom_removal

Or just google out strealthing and open article on wiki.

I can copy, but that way you won't see original links:

Statistics on the prevalence of stealthing are limited.[6] However, a 2014 study by Kelly Cue Davis and colleagues reported that 9.0% of participants in their sample of young men reported having engaged in condom sabotage, which included non-consensual condom removal.[14] The National Sexual Assault Hotline reports receiving calls about stealthing.[6] A recent study from a Melbourne-based sexual health clinic asked women and men who have sex with men (MSM) attending the clinic whether they had experienced stealthing, and analysed situational factors associated with the event. Thirty-two percent of women and 19% of MSM reported having ever experienced stealthing. Women who had been stealthed were more likely to be a current sex worker and MSM who had experienced stealthing were more likely to report anxiety or depression. Both female and male participants who had experienced stealthing were three times less likely to consider it to be sexual assault than participants who had not experienced it.[15] Two other studies were recently published with U.S. samples. One study found that almost 10% of young male non-problem drinkers reported having engaged in nonconsensual condom removal since the age of 14. Men who had engaged in this behavior reported higher rates of STI diagnoses and partners with unplanned pregnancies than men who had not engaged in nonconsensual condom removal.[16] In another study of young adult women, 12% reported that they had experienced nonconsensual condom removal by a male partner, while none of the participants reported engaging in nonconsensual condom removal themselves.[17]

Brianna Chesser and April Zahra (2019) stated in Current Issues in Criminal Justice: "While the majority of complainant accounts indicate that this crime is perpetrated by men, it is also possible for a female to 'stealth' her partner and remove the condom without her partner's consent. It follows that both men and women can both be victims and perpetrators of stealthing."[18] A 2013 article in The Week speculated: "Both men and women can be perpetrators of birth control sabotage. In fact, women have often been stereotyped as purposefully trying to get pregnant against their partner's desires as a way to 'trap' a man. But the issues of reproductive coercion and birth control sabotage have recently gained more attention because of a Canadian case [R v. Hutchinson[10]], in which a man poked holes in a pack of condoms so his girlfriend would get pregnant and stay with him."[19]

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You’re forgetting about public heath reasons - the same reason that liquor stores were deemed essential during the pandemic (because keeping them open was cheaper than dealing with the alcohol withdrawal symptoms, up to and including death)

Yeah, that's not really about "public health" so much as it is about personal interest. Alcohol and tobacco are the economic staples in the US, right? The government benefits heavily from the sale and taxes of these. You would have to provide a better argument that isolates it as a public health reason more so than economic interest.

It's the same with abortion - some people support it because the public health costs of not supporting it outweigh it in their minds

Eh it sounds like that would be mostly women, which again would still be muddled with personal/conflict of interest, so you would have to really isolate and provide a good argument for that. As far as my opinion is concerned, abortion is legal right now because the government has an interest in controlling population numbers, not because pregnancy is a health emergency for women, nor specifically because of bodily autonomy.

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that’s not really about “public health”

Except, it is. Minimizing withdrawl symptoms that require medical attention keeps hospitals open. Kinda important in a global pandemic

Doubly important in a country where medicine isn’t socialized, so anyone who doesn’t pay is a massive issue

sounds like that would be mostly women, which again would still be muddled with personal/conflict of interest

Are you really making an argument that men shouldn’t be allowed to vote on ED drugs, or prescription testosterone, or prostate cancer screenings?

Because that seems just as short sighted as women not weighing in on abortion or cervical cancer screening

Also, I think the men on here severely underestimate the men who fall into the following camps:

1 - Men who don’t want to pay child support for their bastards (including married men having affairs)

2 - Men who don’t want to pay - via their taxes - for the children of deadbeat dads

Those two groups are responsible for voting for child support being a father’s responsibility in the US

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Except, it is. Minimizing withdrawl symptoms that require medical attention keeps hospitals open. Kinda important in a global pandemic

I'm pretty sure alcoholism isn't an epidemic, but alrighty. The government could very easily issue alcohol to those who are addicted just like they do with methadone.

Are you really making an argument that men shouldn’t be allowed to vote on ED drugs, or prescription testosterone, or prostate cancer screenings?

Nope. Not at all the same thing or even similar. There's no controversy about the legality of ED drugs, but possessing prescription testosterone without a prescription is illegal, and prostate cancer screenings? That the best you can come up with?

Because that seems just as short sighted as women not weighing in on abortion or cervical cancer screening

No. One of those things is not like the other.

Also, I think the men on here severely underestimate the men who fall into the following camps:

1 - Men who don’t want to pay child support for their bastards (including married men having affairs)

2 - Men who don’t want to pay - via their taxes - for the children of deadbeat dads

I don't have much to say about this but if abortion for women is legal, then men shouldn't have to be on the hook for child support based on a woman's decision to keep the child. That said, I fully support enforcing both parents to do whatever possible to support their children on their own, or providing for said child and punishing the parents if they fail to uphold their responsibilities to their child/children.

One of the reasons why I don't support abortion is that it trivializes human life to the point where it becomes a decision whether someone else gets to live or not, and that should be decided by the life themselves, when they're able to decide. I'd gladly divert tax money to support housing and care for unwanted children while disincentivizing people to make poor decisions regarding their sex lives. Sex isn't a game or a leisure activity, and if people want to enjoy sex, they can sterilize themselves.

Those two groups are responsible for voting for child support being a father’s responsibility in the US

Is that actually voted on by the GP, or by the State-appointed representatives?

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Sharks are dominant ocean predators. Female sharks are dominant compared to other species, but not compared to male sharks. Female sharks grow averse to the domineering presence of male sharks. The female shark finds a penguin, who is thankful not to be eaten, to swim alongside her. But, as she finds it exhausting being responsible for hunting, she swims far out into open waters with the penguin before growing bored of his comparable weakness to her, and strands him to be prey to other sharks. She then returns to the male shark with a greater appreciation for masculinity, but has harmed a less-developed man in the process. Said penguins become resentful of this treatment by this woman, and as the stories pile up of this kind, penguins become resentful of female sharks as a collective.

Patrice

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I'm in my middle 20s and I've been ever dating only my husband, so it's not that I've had a lot of chances to get into abusive relationships or to have a various experience in this field.

I think it's a mix of both. I'm extremely lucky to have met my husband that early. He's one of the best people I know and he's only of few egalitarian men that I've ever met. What were the chances to find a unicorn in a small Russia town to start with? Sure I was lucky.

And "being great" comes from having good boundaries, adequate self-esteem and knowing what I want. Most of the credit should go to my mother, who is really chill about sex, dating, marriage, grandkids etc. She taught me all kinds of things and I highly appreciate it. I'm lucky 2x in this regard to have a great mother and a great husband.

So I was never attracted to men with any kinds of red flags and I've never been in relationships just because there weren't any other options and I wanted to date someone.

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I didnt reply to your original question bc I was in an abusive relationship from both sides but im also a psychologist.

Abuse usually doesnt start at the begining of the relationship. In my case it started years later. The first few years were a bliss, he was the perfect man for me. This is typical behavior of abusers, they dont start behaving that way until they are sure you are hooked and wont leave.

You become codependent and think you are going crazy. How come someone that loves you like he say he does can also hurt you? Add gaslighting to that, with stuff like "I do this because I love you so much", "I didnt mean to", "I wasnt thinking". The cycle of violence becomes normalized and you are not aware this is happening to you. This is less obvious in cases of emotional abuse compared with physical abuse.

Anyone can become a victime of abuse, even you. Men can be victims of abuse and have way more trouble getting out of it because society doesnt take it as seriously. I admit that I did some stuff I deeply regret and if I could turn back time I would just have left when it all began but I cant. What I did was to take responsibility of my part and worked very hard to heal and not being that person anymore.

Dont be so hard to judge anyone in an abusive relationship. Theres a lot of factors involved (childhood wounds, self esteem issues, abusive families, mental disease) that makes some people the perfect target. I befriended the ex of my ex and it turned out he did the same things to her he did to me and our life stories are very similar. However, shes still dealing with a lot of the trauma left after their relationship and I dont, probably because she was younger when she went trough it.

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At the beginning there was a lot of love bombing. I was 21 and he was 20, I thought that being obsessed with your partner was love.

There was also a lot of gaslighting, specially regarding other girls. He would constantly text other girls but never really cheated or said something over the line, he was looking for validation on them. So when I got mad he could say that it was them texting him, that he did nothing wrong.

Emotional violence would include him ignoring me and giving me the silent treatment. Every time I wanted to talk about our issues he would reply with "I dont know". That used to make me snap and start acting crazy because it was like we were in different realities.

We used to live in a tourist city so we frequently had guests over visiting and I realized that he only wanted to have sex whenever there was someone staying with us, idk if it was a kink of him to be heard by others or if it was to embarrass me, I honestly dont know but it was weird. The worst thing he did was one time we were watching a movie and we got a bottle of wine. He pretended to drink and got me very drunk. I woke up with him on top of me, I just remember telling him no and passing out again. The next morning I told him "you raped me last night" and he was like "lol that wasn't rape". By then I was extremely enrolled in the relationship and convinced myself it wasn't that bad.

I went to my hometown to visit my parents for a week and a day before flying back he emailed me telling me that he was breaking up with me and he wouldn't be in the apartment when I came back. He took everything, he just left me 2 boxes with my clothes. He even took my cats which he knew was what would hurt me the most. I had to file a police report so he would pay me back for everything he took.

I moved back to my hometown because I was an emotional mess and ended up befriending his ex before me. When I told her my story she told me "im very sorry you went through that and I feel responsible because he did the same thing to me and I didnt warned you". Turns out he raped her too and she had a suicide attempt. Then I remembered about another girl he dated who attempted suicide when they broke up, I assume he did the same to her.

We tried to warn the gf after me but she didnt want to listen. I understand she was in the love bombing stage and also she probably thought we were the crazy exes.

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By "More you use the app", Tinder means responding to your messages and not racking up matches then doing nothing (which doesn't hurt that much anyway). Tinder's algorithm still ranks your profile by desirability and swiping indiscriminately will still hurt you, but not more than other people swiping left on you.

In this case you're over thinking it and it won't matter. If you really want to game the algorithm, start a brand new account use pictures of a super attractive Man, preferable unknown male model and then don't swipe for a week or two.

All the Women swiping on you will get stacked in your queue, and then once you're ready swap out those pics with your real ones. Your match queue will be front loaded with Women who have already swiped on your profile so you can rack up a lot quickly. Because its been about a week, most wont remember who they actually swiped on. Your desirability score will also remain relatively high as it is more heavily weighted when you first join.

I got around 2k matches in about a week doing this. Plenty of dates, but I'm also in NYC.

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lol is this the "revenge fantasy" bloops talk about so much in bloop subs? Kind of ironic that in the very next sentence after saying, "good way to keep n count low" you say 10 is the "acceptable" number. You might as well say 20 or 30 at that point.

Unfortunately, your plan sucks here because most women already do this. So instead of offering realistic advice to women who already engage in AF/BB, you ask women to double down and hope that will somehow change anything?

Damn, women suck at giving sensible advice. Its like their minds are perpetually stuck in high school level intelligence and never grew intellectually up from that point.

Maybe don’t judge us for having a high n count?

In your dreams, maybe

So have sex with you guys, but not chad and be ashamed of a high n count?

That's not what guys are saying. Women today are only having casual sex with chads which is fine, but don't come begging back at us to take your used up ass for anything other than casual sex. Nobody cares about your N count if you only expect sex from guys. I don't. And most RP men don't.

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I'm with you. I have more reasons.

if you accidentally get knocked up, that God tier DNA will likely present a beautiful child. Too many perks to ignore. Imagine fucking up and making a gremlin
bragging rights
if he is low value, at least you don't need to be embarrassed when caught
imagine giving and uggo some kitty just for him to start to feel too confident and think he can do it again. Imagine being disrespected by a man like that.

These men are ruthless. I mean truly. So have no mercy when doing the math on if you should fuck some guy.

I say all this and women will agree but then turn around and fuck these dudes anyway. Smh.

Edit: oh yeah, about n count. If you start to have an issue, just lie.

Literally who cares. Make no long term plans with the guys who ask. Start updating the roster and be ready to phase him out because the only men who ask are too paranoid for life. Last thing you need is to get choked out by some butthurt third worlder one night because he can't get over the comparison to other men. Just enjoy and rotate him out.

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if you accidentally get knocked up, that God tier DNA will likely present a beautiful child.

Have you ever heard of the nature vs nurture argument anywhere in your life before? I mean.... thug dna is just that... thug dna. What's the point in birthing chad spawn that only grows up to become future drug addict, future school shooter or future gang banger who gets his brain splattered all over the sidewalk getting put down by another chad spawn?

If you start to have an issue, just lie.

As if women already don't huh? lol AWALT is there for a reason.

We already know you fine ladies lie so nothing that comes out of your mouth is going to convince any redpilled dude. I am just going to continue pretending I want these born again hoes for commitment to spin plates just like you pretend you are some low n count chaste woman or something.

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When the female sex adapts, it's a reflection of what men have been doing.

the top 20% men, maybe. And 80% of women. Its women who open their vagina to them. Nice way to deflect responsibility for what female hypergamy is causing. Typical female logic. Trying to buck the responsibility for what they are causing.

Fuck Chad only and multi-date as recommended by FDS. Red Pill tryhards are not to be taken seriously.

Why do you keep making the same asinine points even though women already do this anyway? We call it "spinning plates" because men tend to be more principle minded because of bluepill world that raised him. Women call it "casually dating" (notice how vague that term really is. Women primarily derive their power from hiding the truth of their nature)

And you know I'm being sincere which is why you're rage typed this.

don't flatter yourself. Maybe I should continue letting you pretend you totally made me rage so that you can continue believing you are actually being insightful.

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Yes and Ill tell you why.

Your horizon is roughly 1 square inch big, you re extremely bitter with men and you stopped listening, I know that from other comments of yours, it’s impossible to argue with you. And now don‘t come at me with the „bUt i aM listenNig thAts why I kNow meN BAd“ - if your conclusion is 50% of the world population is ruthless monsters and rageful predators then Im sorry but I can‘t and wont listen to you. What do u wanna do? Cage em all? Hahaa bad bitch humor, but just not very meaningful.

I am not dismissing your views because you re „ugly“ as I can’t know if you are, but I am dismissing them because your arguments are bloated with your own insecurities and far from a realistic perspective they are just here feed into your ego and pushing other women into this type of „tough girl“ thinking. But if your goal is to feed into your so called patriarchy, then keep doing what you re doing.

It‘s interesting how many femcels or fdsers r lurking here, downvoting me and giving you awards, as opposed to what they say about ppd and how shitty it is.

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It's not necessarily about the "dopamine detox" in itself but more about resetting your body back to more realistic standards in terms of sensitization to stimulus. It doesn't take a study to show that people are overstimulated to the point of needing more and more stimulation to achieve the same feeling because of desensitization. It's the reason people become addicted to nicotine, alcohol, and any other substance (dopamine is a substance and directly involved with the brain experiencing a feeling of reward or satisfaction).

I'm not sure if there would be studies citing this because studies can also be quite biased, and releasing info about certain foods, substances, technology and services being "bad" for people would be bad for those industries, so because of the science and research industry being bought by corporate interests and big pharma, I don't think we'd ever see an official study hit the general public, but the information is out there.

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"There's a share of men who cheat. It doesn't mean all men cheat, don't you see a difference?"

Most men want to cheat and are just waiting for an opportunity.

"I'm okay as things are now. If we get bored, we'll discuss it again, neither of us has problems with communication."

Do you live in Russia? The Russian norm is that the guy leaves you for a younger woman once you've had kids. There is nothing to discuss.

"Okay, taking aside the semantics, having no personal interests and no self-respect is still not okay."

I want make my man happy and I don't want to risk him leaving.

And again: Russian women make sacrifices for their men. Why are we even discussing this? Are you not ethnically Russian?

"but most people won't ever share your attitude,"

Most women won't have a 20 year marriage either. I think the average US marriage lasts 7 years.

"In the same way tradcon relationships aren't for everyone and they're a norm."

Tradcon is gone now. 50-50 is the current norm in the West.

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Once again, statistically most men don't cheat, so I don't see any reason to worry about it.

Yes, we're from Russia. It isn't actually the norm, although it happens from time to time. My husband isn't an average Russian man though, otherwise I wouldn't marry him. Plus, we aren't planning to have any kids at least for now and we have any, I'll make sure that I can provide for them on my own. So...what's the problem?

Moreover, if we have any kids, it's twice as important to have healthy relationship and not be a doormat.

Why are we even discussing this? Are you not ethnically Russian?

Most Russian women have far healthies attitude than you do. It's not the norm at all. I'm not Slavic, I'm a mix with Asian roots.

Most women won't have a 20 year marriage either.

It's better to be single, than having your type of relationships. Most people don't have a humiliation kink.

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"Once again, statistically most men don't cheat, so I don't see any reason to worry about it."

The consequences if they do can be pretty life changing.

"Yes, we're from Russia. It isn't actually the norm, although it happens from time to time. My husband isn't an average Russian man though, otherwise I wouldn't marry him. Plus, we aren't planning to have any kids at least for now and we have any, I'll make sure that I can provide for them on my own. So...what's the problem?"

Lol I don't know where you live, but Moscow and St Petersburg are very expensive cities. Being a single mom there is not a fun time.

"Moreover, if we have any kids, it's twice as important to have healthy relationship and not be a doormat."

At that point you're competing with younger women who don't have kids. That usually doesn't end well.

"Most Russian women have far healthies attitude than you do. It's not the norm at all. I'm not Slavic, I'm a mix with Asian roots."

Didn't you learn Russian culture in school? Don't you see how Russian women treat their men? Do you have Russian friends?

You're ethnic in Russia and you think it's going to be okay? Hehe.

"It's better to be single, than having your type of relationships. Most people don't have a humiliation kink."

It sounds to me like you might be sheltered. There are women out there who would do anything to get into a relationship.

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Sure, so vetting carefully is important.

Lol I don't know where you live, but Moscow and St Petersburg are very expensive cities. Being a single mom there is not a fun time.

That's why it's important to be able to provide for yourself and your kids. A man can leave you, get ill or just die. There's no sense in putting the efforts into keeping him, when you can just work on your own career and self-fulfillment.

At that point you're competing with younger women who don't have kids. That usually doesn't end well.

I don't compete. We stay together as long as we both want it, I see no reason to "compete" with anyone in a romantic sense. If they aren't interested in me and I have to "compete", there's no point in doing so. I'm totally okay with being single.

Didn't you learn Russian culture in school? Don't you see how Russian women treat their men? Do you have Russian friends?

Hey, the serfdom has ended, women got all their rights and right now lots of women have enough self-respect to leave their shitty partners. Yeah, I do have Russian friends. No one behavior like you do.

You're ethnic in Russia and you think it's going to be okay? Hehe.

We live in the region where our ancestors lived. We have lots of ethnicities here. What's the problem?

It sounds to me like you might be sheltered. There are women out there who would do anything to get into a relationship.

My family is full of women who take care of themselves and their kids. And yep, my mother did her best. So now I can provide for myself and don't have to cling to a man because I can't live without him.

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"That's why it's important to be able to provide for yourself and your kids. A man can leave you, get ill or just die. There's no sense in putting the efforts into keeping him, when you can just work on your own career and self-fulfillment."

If you work on your career you end up with a user

"I don't compete. We stay together as long as we both want it, I see no reason to "compete" with anyone in a romantic sense. If they aren't interested in me and I have to "compete", there's no point in doing so. I'm totally okay with being single."

Less competition for rest of us.

"Hey, the serfdom has ended, women got all their rights and right now lots of women have enough self-respect to leave their shitty partners. Yeah, I do have Russian friends. No one behavior like you do."

Just lol @ leaving your man in Russia.

"We live in the region where our ancestors lived. We have lots of ethnicities here. What's the problem?"

All the ethnic men want Russian women.

"My family is full of women who take care of themselves and their kids. And yep, my mother did her best. So now I can provide for myself and don't have to cling to a man because I can't live without him."

That makes no sense. In Glorious Russian Federation woman provides for man.

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If you work on your career you end up with a user

That's hilarious to hear from you. Don't you support your man financially and pay his bills?

Less competition for rest of us.

I think most people don't think that there's competition of any kind. You're either attracted and let yourself to fall for each other or not.

Just lol @ leaving your man in Russia.

Our divorce rates are much higher than they're in the US. Women also file for a divorce in most cases and men claim that women initiate them. I can link you some stories, if you're interested. There are lots of stories from men "I don't get why my wife left me".

All the ethnic men want Russian women.

What? Maybe some do, but most men of my ethnicity that I know tend to date within it.

And, well, my appearance is a weird one, not really Asian nor Slavic.

That makes no sense. In Glorious Russian Federation woman provides for man.

Some women who don't know any better do it. A good majority doesn't though.

In my family women are either married and have an egalitarian marriage or are single/divorced and they aren't actively seeking for anyone or just reject anyone interested. My mother has never been married nor never wanted to be for example. She has enough suitors though, even though she's in her 60s.

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"That's hilarious to hear from you. Don't you support your man financially and pay his bills?"

I sure do. Who wants to let their man leave the house?

"Our divorce rates are much higher than they're in the US. Women also file for a divorce in most cases and men claim that women initiate them. I can link you some stories, if you're interested. There are lots of stories from men "I don't get why my wife left me"."

There's an endless supply of attractive young women to choose from. You have to be delusional to divorce.

"What? Maybe some do, but most men of my ethnicity that I know tend to date within it.

And, well, my appearance is a weird one, not really Asian nor Slavic."

Because they can't go Russian. We both know how it goes.

"Some women who don't know any better do it."

Exactly, it's a thing.

"A good majority doesn't though."

But they would if they had to.

"In my family women are either married and have an egalitarian marriage or are single/divorced and they aren't actively seeking for anyone or just reject anyone interested. My mother has never been married nor never wanted to be for example. She has enough suitors though, even though she's in her 60s."

I don't think so. This is Russia, our wall is 25.

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So what do you mean by a user? My husband and I share financial responsibility and domestic chores close to 50/50. So we both have our backs covered.

There's an endless supply of attractive young women to choose from. You have to be delusional to divorce.

Just look at the stats. I also can send you some stories from men whose wives left them.

Plus, most young women don't want to date older guys. There's a supply for men as well.

Because they can't go Russian. We both know how it goes.

I don't know what you mean by "we both know how it goes". People tend to choose partners with similar background, including ethnicity.

Exactly, it's a thing.

For poor women with no boundaries, sure. But most women aren't like this.

But they would if they had to.

I guess that's a two-piece trick. First of all, women don't have to get married anymore and they can live on their own. Secondly, the majority of women don't have to be a pickme in order to find a partner.

I don't think so. This is Russia, our wall is 25.

Maybe yours was 25, but that's not true for most women, you know.

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"So what do you mean by a user? My husband and I share financial responsibility and domestic chores close to 50/50. So we both have our backs covered."

A guy who tells you whatever you want to hear so that he can take advantage of you in some way. It's usually money, but it can also be a place to stay, or a temporary gf until something better comes along.

"Just look at the stats. I also can send you some stories from men whose wives left them."

That must be some kind of new whining they got from the West. All they have to do is sit outside unattended and some woman will take them home.

"Plus, most young women don't want to date older guys. There's a supply for men as well."

Moscow is full of gold diggers.

"guess that's a two-piece trick. First of all, women don't have to get married anymore and they can live on their own."

Then they have to settle hard after the wall. I know women like that.

"Secondly, the majority of women don't have to be a pickme in order to find a partner."

Yea they do. Women who play hard to get or run good girl game get ignored.

"Maybe yours was 25, but that's not true for most women, you know."

In Russia that's the max age that men are willing to accept. It doesn't matter what the girl looks like.

I'll post new pics on my sub later.

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"So...your bf is a user then?"

What ethnicity are you?

"Btw, do you live in Russia? If you left 20 years ago, I might get why you think pickmes are so prevalent here, although even then lots of women didn't hesitate much to dump shitty partners."

No I don't but I have friends and relatives that I keep in touch with.

"Moscow isn't the only city in Russia."

I don't know where you live, but in Moscow it's all about trying get an oligarch.

"Why do women have to settle? Lots of them are totally okay with being single or just having a friend "for health"."

Because they don't want to be alone, and they want kids.

"There's a huuuge range between hard to get, a good girl or a pickme. And there are just healthy relationships as well. Most women I know aren't any of these characters."

Yes you have to be a Pick Me to keep a man. Get with the program already.

"...I guess you either have really weird social circle or you're just delusional. Statistically most people who get married do it after 25. It's true for most married couples I know as well."

They just postpone the wedding, they still meet in high school.

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"I've said, I'm a mix with Asian roots."

That doesn't tell me anything.

"So what about your bf? By your definition he seems to be a user. Tbh, he seems to be a user by anyone's definition."

I'm not gonna post about my man. Too many desperate women on the Internet.

"Where do you live? Your social circle is really weird then. Things aren't that bad in Russia, you know."

Europe, several countries.

"Being single doesn't mean being alone and women can have kids on their own."

And live with their mothers for the rest of their lives? I don't think so.

"I've been "keeping" him for more than 7 years. I'm not gonna change anything because of a troll/insane person in the Internet. If you're serious though, I'm really sorry that you let yourself to go to this extent just in order to "keep a man"."

You don't have kids yet.

"Most people date less than 4 years before they get married, so your theory isn't true."

Those are probably second marriages. Guys will meet a girl at 16-18, keep her until her early 20s and then dump her for someone younger.

Those are most likely women who found a guy fast before they got too old.

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Kinda funny how we sort of celebrate and joke about a guy into women killing themselves with food but imagine if he was into only women hooked on heroin, would we be quite so "lol hey you'll like this?".

Current estimates is that obesity is a direct contributor of death to 18% of Americans. Killed a friend of mine last year. Not to get all serious in a light hearted post, but it is a serious issue and celebrating it isn't really... ethical IMO. A good friend of mine is like u/reluctantly_red but 15 years younger. His wife (also 15 year younger) is starting to have major health issues. Its kinda sad because he knows (he's fat too) but lacks the force of will to fix it and knows he can't change his wife. He likes big women but he's at least honest to know its killing her (and him).

His thing right now is trying to help his kids not go this path, which is hard when your parents are already doing it.

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Lol, if that's all I had to do to get women I would rock the longest reddest ponytail in the world.

Oh no buddy. You're still doing everything that you're already doing: working, exercising, chores, only with a pony tail and clown paint on.

We all have to cater to what the opposite sex finds valuable if we want many and/or high quality partners and good relationships.

That's not real value. Money and labor is real value.

Just like you have to look feminine, pretty and keep your n count low, we have to be masculine, have a good body, make a lot of money etc. Etc.

How about I pay the bills so the guy can stay home and play vidya all day? That's more value than a low n count lol.

And he would love the feminine woman and not you. I don't get what the point of such a relationship would be.

I've gotten him thots with big boobs and nice hair in the past. And he didn't have to pay for their appearance.

The point is real value and not cosplay.

(Edit: pls stop concern trolling me with the care resources stuff, whoever it is that's doing it)

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Please ignore the man below.

Pink pills are harsh truths about womanhood. They are inescapable and inform the female experience in this society. For example, a major pink pill is women are valued for their appearance in this society. Another is many men modulate how they treat women based on their appearance. It wouldn't be so bad if so many men were not objectively malicious to women they find unattractive but they are.

Pink pill, unattractive women are targeted for easy sex

Pink pill, you can contribute to the world by being smart, caring, hilarious, and resourceful. You will never get the same respect a man with the same attributes do

Pink pill, colorism, racism, aging, featurism, deformity, disability all tie into lookis. Regular women who like to condescend about femcels are usually speaking pink pill literally every single day. I even make a sub /r/ThePinkPills to document tough discussions about womanhood that get reaffirmed online every single day.

The reason this is tied to femcels is because the pink pill came from the now banned /r/Trufemcels sub. People like to completely ignore what women are saying and run with the rhetoric of men (another pink pill) so they misrepresent that community all the time. In reality, femcels - female celibates- have become a proxy for women too hurt to care about how they sound online. The culture for extreme honesty from women came from femcels. See FDS. Female subs and spaces like to worry about how they sound to men. You know who doesn't? Undesirable women.

So these women and by proxy, unpopular women, older women and so forth began to share their stories and discuss difficult realities intrinsically tied to being female.

Yes, there is a lot of despair, depression, and mental illness amongst femcels. But The Pink Pill is the universal experience of women. Femcels just do not have the privilege of pretending these things aren't true.

For example, when you see women talking about getting high value men but refuse to talk about lack of sexual leverage (this is beauty), they blatantly keep out the women men don't want and give them empty platitudes

I am the biggest stumper of queen energy. So I made /r/QueenEnergy too. But I am against empty rhetoric. I am for real strategy and addressing real pain points. Otherwise, you're wearing a crown and sobbing in your pillow at night alone. You are trying to bargain with bad men who can smell your desperation behind a plastic QUEEN smile. The heart break and rejection and loneliness drive unwanted women into the arms of absolute lunacy

This is The Pink Pill. Anyone says otherwise is misrepresenting it.

Thank you for asking.

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You are more than welcome to lurk. Men are allowed on that sub I'm just going to keep them on a tight leash.

Our website allows men but under the understanding that they stick to subs that aren't for women only and they don't bring their misogyny and rail roading in the other ones. We have a Discord server as well that has a coed section and even PinkPillDebates for those who want to get something off their chest. Naturally, we need way more women because men just swarm the place every day.

I just believe that women only spaces are important. Some women won't even speak freely in mixed company. Those who lurk can argue or agree elsewhere but at least female voices are in the conversation instead of the typical sausagefest misrepresenting everything about our existence

Pro tip. The unwanted people of both sees have all the time in the world to observe and make connections. I've learned a lot from the other side by paying attention, no matter how factually detestable sometimes. It helps me learn how to protect myself and spread the word to other women.

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See, when I hear people bitching because you can't raise a family of 4 on a McDonald's wage, I pretty much lose sympathy.

Only retards are arguing about that. It's more like why are rental and housing prices jumping like crazy in tons of places, which makes it harder for people who are doing well to get ahead and people who are just getting by just trying to not sink.

GenZ thinks they should be able to buy a 4 bedroom house at the age of 22 and if they can't, then the world is sooooooo much harder then it was back then! And don't get me started on UBI and how they all think working for a living is capitalist oppression.

It's more like Gen Z is wondering if they will EVER buy a house. A $10,000 bill is enough to bankrupt most Americans — imagine ever being able to save up 50k for a downpayment on a starter home (especially when there's stagnated corporate upward mobility because those very same boomers refuse to retire because they were too incompetent to do even the most basic of retirement planning).

While I agree there are a lot of whiny socialist millennial/Gen Z types, many others still have very valid concerns when you look at actual population data.

They also want to solely use OLD to meet girls and never nurture any other avenues, then complain that they can't get a date.

Now, I will concede that OLD combined with feminism telling women to never settle has rotted women's brains and made them think that they all deserve the best. That's a hard road.

Most social circles nowadays aren't quite open and receptive as the past arguably as a result of social media and people wanting to socialize less in general.

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It gives you a leg up but I’ve seen some UMC people fuck up and end up nowhere in life. The difference is though someone from a well off background who develops a drug habit has their parents money to fall back on. An addict who grew up broke ends up on the street or in jail.

I was actually going to bring this up if the conversation continued.

A middle class meth-head is fucked. A UMC or richer meth-head, as long as they don't die, is probably going to get out of it okay once they're wrangled back into the fold.

Super hot guy I knew in HS, parents had tons of money, he was driving a Porsche at 16. Wasn’t the brightest though and the lack of boundaries and incentive to work for anything fucked him up in the end. Last I heard he was driving a ups truck after 15 years in and out of rehab and dating a chick half his age who looks like she was rode hard and put away wet.

Where are the parents now?

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Anecdotal, but every single person I grew up with who was UMC or higher, or almost every person I met later who is UMC or higher and divulged their earlier life, works for their dad in a high company position or works for a company that their dad has connections to. That goes for the legit genius types and that goes for the dumb-as-bricks stoners/pot-heads.

One thing I would say is that late Boomer/early Gen-X parents likely instilled a harder work ethic in UMC girls so they could be self-sufficient if necessary. There was a few UMC girls you could tell were going places no matter what, and sure enough they did. And then the other hot UMC girls married doctors, so obviously they stayed there too.

I thiiink I knew one guy who would technically be UMC-level financially that didn't come from there, but I wasn't sure where his wife came from, they were almost extreme spendthrifts so they just accumulated money all the time, and she unfortunately passed so I don't know if he's still technically considered it.

Shit like this doesn't help either

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Western incels: women won't match me on tinder waaaaah

Kyrgyz chads:

A recent victimization survey in Kyrgyzstan (2015) included the crime of kidnapping of young women for marriage. Fourteen percent of married women answered that they were kidnapped at the time and that two-thirds of these cases were consensual, the woman knew the man and had agreed with it up front. This means that about five percent of current[when?] marriages in Kyrgyzstan are cases of 'Ala Kachuu'.[46]

There is another source that mentions much higher numbers. Approximately half of all Kyrgyz marriages include bride kidnapping; of those kidnappings, two-thirds are non-consensual.[47] Research by non-governmental organizations give estimates from a low of 40%[48] to between 68 and 75 percent[49] of all marriages in Kyrgyzstan involved bride kidnapping.

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All the whining from the sexless young men on this sub is really annoying. The women on this sub are less emotionally disgusting than these guys. The constant complaining about tinder and obsession with defending their porn. Never once seen a thread about how hard it is to get a girl from instagram, only tinder, these guys are telling on themselves. Porn, video games, and tinder, that's it huh. I've seen girls on this sub admit that it's easier for them with dating, but I've never seen a sexless guy on here admit that he's just a loser.

I can't say that I'm feeling much sympathy for these guys anymore, tbh I hope the blackpill spreads even further and the sexlessness trend continues. It's just going to make fucking their crush that much easier for me as I age. Less t for thee, more p for me.

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They hate Instagram, socializing, casual drinking, regular people fun… aka any and all “normie” activities.

They would probably do better if they got set up with a girl by an aunty at church. But… they also hate religion and church and fellowship.

Okay, so that truly leaves OLD. But many of them, with regard to physical looks, are Average Joes who would statistically do better meeting a woman in person… but they hate all of the above.

Additionally, they hate the idea of optimizing their looks, presence, or even photos so that they could perform better on the apps.

On top of that, they resent the core aspect of male dating strategy — pursuing. High-inhib individuals prone to neuroticism aren’t going to do well in that role.

I think they’re comfortable right where they are.

[–] Goodthingstartssmall Purple Pill Man 2 points 3 points 4 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Yes really these poor guys. Doomed to bring perfomance in dating but no amount of effort gives good odds in any way to cure their problems but rather is a herculean balancing act who may bring you many drinks and slaps into your face or get shamed as a try hard when they improve their physical looks outside of hitting the gym.

Then the omnipresent media messages who almost exclusively brings up women's struggles including that men's best way to cure their sexlessnes in form of approaching is a huge part of this struggles and got ruthlessly dominzed and severly cut down into a very narrow path who is most of the time only safely crossed if you are good looking enough to take advantage of the halo effect. Mostly also ends up in rejection or making the women "uncomfortable".

These poor guys were born in the wrong gender :(

I hope i matched the troll vibe in this comment string.

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Not about Pickle’s comment because he’s probably trolling, but this comment is inspired by it.

People tend to misuse “illogical” and “irrational.”

I think it’s because they assume everyone has the same experiences, cognition, pressures, incentives, desired outcomes etc. as themselves.

I suppose this misuse is due to projection and solipsism.

Example:

I notice it when more well-off people speak distastefully about poor inner city kids.

“The library is right there. They’re not using that free resource. If I were them I would be in the library everyday after school and focusing on my studies. Instead they’re off on the corner! It’s illogical!”

The above was said by a man who grew up in a cul de sac in a HCOL area. He truly imagines if he grew up in the predicament of the 15 year old he’s deriding he would be exceptionally unaffected by his environment and experiences.

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He's not nearly that intelligent. Seriously you're suggesting a man who was nothing more than a loud mouth tried to form a coup in secrecy?

It wasn't in secret, he was doing that stuff out in the open on social media.

Read that book that his fixer wrote about him, Trump is both an opportunist and a predator. He'll fan the flames to get people to do things for him but never outright or explicitly connect himself to it if it goes south, so they can take the blame and it'll just slide off of him, and if it works out in his favour, then he'll gladly accept it.

It was a couple of crazy rednecks that smashed a few windows and the MSM blew it out of proportion.

Charged into government buildings like raving lunatics. They were taking selfies and video of themselves doing it.

You who actually managed to control American soil, BLM protests.

Then stop hiring cops who carelessly kill black people, problem solved.

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Yeah... and it was like 5 guys who did what, broke 3 windows? How is that in any way a coup?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55575260

Pretending to downplay things is disingenuous.

See, you're just parroting MSM talking points. For once, think for yourself. What is closer to the definition of a coup. 3 broken windows and a small scuffle that was handled in a matter of minutes or 6 blocks completely taken over for months?

One is a government building, something that actually matters.

CHOP is an entertainment district, which if you "think for yourself for once", doesn't remotely matter. There's neighbourhoods in every city that the cops outright haven't shown up in for years, people like you have never cared about it before.

I mean how dumb do you have to be to consider one a coup, and the other a 'peaceful protest'??

Because one was at the direction of a former sitting President who wanted to figure out some way to refuse transition of power.

BTW, if it was me, I'd lock up the CHOPers for obvious reasons, and hang the people who went for the government buildings from the gallows, for obvious reasons.

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Pretending to downplay things is disingenuous.

Oh the irony.

One is a government building, something that actually matters.

Yeah, like anything useful has ever happened there.

CHOP is an entertainment district, which if you "think for yourself for once", doesn't remotely matter. There's neighbourhoods in every city that the cops outright haven't shown up in for years, people like you have never cared about it before.

As far as 'sovereignty' goes it matters a hell of a lot. But I love the 'people like you bit'. Clearly because I think the MSM is complete bullshit and don't buy into their lies, I must be right wing neo-con right? Let's just ignore the fact I called Trump and idiot and loudmouth...

Typical sheeple. Media says jump, you say 'how high'. Again, how bout for once you think for yourself instead of just parroting memes.

BTW, if it was me, I'd lock up the CHOPers for obvious reasons, and hang the people who went for the government buildings from the gallows, for obvious reasons.

Good thing it's not up to you. But hey, you'd make Stalin proud.

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Yeah, like anything useful has ever happened there.

Doesn't matter, that shit's actually important.

As far as 'sovereignty' goes it matters a hell of a lot. But I love the 'people like you bit'. Clearly because I think the MSM is complete bullshit and don't buy into their lies, I must be right wing neo-con right? Let's just ignore the fact I called Trump and idiot and loudmouth...

No, it's because you went completely silent when I said "stop hiring cops that carelessly kill black people" and you steered away from it, and your idea of "free thinking" is "Everything they tell you is a lie and everything that some nobody on twitter says is true."

Autistic arrogance from the upper middle class at its finest.

Typical sheeple. Media says jump, you say 'how high'. Again, how bout for once you think for yourself instead of just parroting memes.

Remember, no matter how much he beats his chest, Joe Rogan is LITERALLY 5 foot 3

Good thing it's not up to you. But hey, you'd make Stalin proud.

Treason is generally punishable by death.

If Edward Snowden can't come home for doing a solid by letting everyone know that western governments on spying on their people, then definitely people who charge government buildings with intent to overthrow the government should have the book thrown at them too

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No, it's because you went completely silent when I said "stop hiring cops that carelessly kill black people" and you steered away from it, and your idea of "free thinking" is "Everything they tell you is a lie and everything that some nobody on twitter says is true."

Autistic arrogance from the upper middle class at its finest.

Not at all. I'm just not going to waste my time trying to dumb things down for someone who has the intellectual capacity of a 2y old. You've made it clear you can't think past facebook meme's.

Remember, no matter how much he beats his chest, Joe Rogan is LITERALLY 5 foot 3

I have said nothing about him, nor do I watch his pod cast. But I get it, thinking for yourself is hard, so you have to stick everything into little pre-made boxes and then the media can spoon feed you pre-made arguments you can use online for those terrible nazis!!!

Forcing people into mental 'boxes' is simply mental shorthand. Which is why I know you can't think for yourself, because if people don't fit into your predefined criteria, you flip out and do everything in your power to put them back in.

Treason is generally punishable by death.

Is the extent of treason really breaking a few windows? The rioters don't need the gallows, they need a few weeks in a mental hospital.

If Edward Snowden can't come home for doing a solid by letting everyone know that western governments on spying on their people, then definitely people who charge government buildings with intent to overthrow the government should have the book thrown at them too

You're really jumping around here. I think Edward Snowden is a brave, intelligent, and a very optimistic individual (I'd never be the martyr he is, but I admire him for it).

But it's rather telling that it was Obama, not Trump, that was busy persecuting all the whistleblowers (manning, assange, snowden) while in the middle of all his 'hope and change' rhetoric.

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Not at all. I'm just not going to waste my time trying to dumb things down for someone who has the intellectual capacity of a 2y old. You've made it clear you can't think past facebook meme's.

Sorry bro, you're not as smart as you think you are, no matter how much your parents paid for your degree or how high you hold you pinkie finger up. ;)

I have said nothing about him, nor do I watch his pod cast. But I get it, thinking for yourself is hard, so you have to stick everything into little pre-made boxes and then the media can spoon feed you pre-made arguments you can use online for those terrible nazis!!!

THE MEDIA REEEEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Forcing people into mental 'boxes' is simply mental shorthand. Which is why I know you can't think for yourself, because if people don't fit into your predefined criteria, you flip out and do everything in your power to put them back in.

Most people are dumb as fuck and have never had an accidental thought in their lives, they just say whatever their chosen subculture or stereotype does.

Yours would be "whatever /pol/ says." And those people are among the dumbest people you can run into.

Is the extent of treason really breaking a few windows? The rioters don't need the gallows, they need a few weeks in a mental hospital.

"Hold up, I just need to ignore actual videos and pictures and that a few people died during this whole thing and free think everything away just so I can imagine something else."

Treason generally means the death penalty, and free thinking doesn't just mean "Ignore reality so I can think up anything I want and you will treat it as true."

You're really jumping around here.

No, I'm just not fitting the stereotypes people like need to "think" in so you can call yourself a "free thinker."

But it's rather telling that it was Obama, not Trump, that was busy persecuting all the whistleblowers (manning, assange, snowden) while in the middle of all his 'hope and change' rhetoric.

And it was George Bush Jr's program. Ex Presidents cover for each other, up to and including Biden "moving past Trump" quickly. If you go after one of them for something, you have to go after them all for it, they all know that.

Or are we free thinking stuff like that away just because Obama was black and people like you don't like people like them? Upper middle class autistic arrogance, after all.

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Peeing with a boner is more difficult than giving birth. Giving birth is definitely more painful, but pain by itself does not make something difficult. For example, putting my hand in a fire is not difficult, but it would hurt a lot. In order for something to be difficult, there has to be some chance of failure due to lack of skill, practice, or technique. Peeing with a boner often requires creative problem solving skills, especially in small spaces. There is no creative problem solving aspect of giving birth. Additionally, the way humans have evolved for these two actions supports my point. Giving birth is a natural process, which humans have evolved to be able to do. The female body is literally designed so that it can give birth with the lowest possible chance of error. The only real error that can happen is a miscarriage, which is also a natural occurrence, not a failure that occurs due to a lack of skill in giving birth. The male body, on the other hand, has evolved specifically so that peeing with a boner is very difficult. The only purpose for having a boner is to impregnate a woman, so the male body evolved to prevent urination during sex. On top of the difficulty in simply getting the pee to flow, there's the issue of actually positioning yourself so that the boner is pointing into the toilet bowl (urinals are much easier, but not always an option). In the past, I have had to give up and wait until my boner goes away because it was simply too difficult to actually pee in the toilet. There has never been a case where a woman has tried to give birth after being pregnant for nine months, not been able to do it, and said "fuck it" and waited 3 more months to try again because it would be easier the second try. Giving birth happens, every single time, because it's a natural process - peeing with a boner is the opposite.

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Common complications during pregnancy : * High blood pressure * Gestational diabetes * Preeclampsia * anemia * constant infections * etc

Below are some, not all, common complications of vaginal birth:

A further substantial proportion of women experience important complications of vaginal birth. These include an 8% postpartum haemorrhage rate, 1% blood transfusion rate, and a 5-6% third-degree tear rate (40% suffer some degree of tearing). One in six (15%) women end up having an operative vaginal birth, such as use of forceps, which is associated with faecal incontinence and pelvic organ prolapse in later life.

This leaves little more than half of first-time mothers experiencing an uncomplicated vaginal birth.

Anyway, just because the female body has evolved to birth. Doesn’t mean it’s evolved to the point where the process has no affect on her body during pregnancy and postpartum. Creating a life takes a lot of energy. Rearranging organs and siphoning life source of the host organism means the host organism needs the skill of endurance and mindfulness.

Women are mutants, women are evolution in real time, and thus cooler. Suck it!

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I think the discussion of Victoria's Secret's new marketing strategy missed the point: no one is truly worried about the career prospects of supermodels. It's more that growing up, Victoria's Secret was one of the most iconic brands that represented female sexuality for men. As a teenage boy, their catalog contained some of the most beautiful women I'd ever seen, reinforcing the feminine mystique of the brand.

And now it's being changed: not just with heavier models, but also models with distinctly male features like short buzz-cut hair. Lingerie is no longer being marketed as sexy and flirtatious, but as "empowering" and a form of self-care. It's kind of sad to see the sexiness drained out of a brand I once had great affection for, replaced by sexless "empowerment".

And yes, I know women and not men are the primary consumers, but I'd wager Victoria's Secret could do a lot more for their bottom line if they started making high-quality bras like they used to, and making them for larger sizes.

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Tbh Victoria Secret has been off pulse for a while.

I was a scene girl and very much into American Apparel at its peak. American Apparel 100% sold sexuality in their marketing. But their models weren’t “super models”. The men and women in their ads were store associates and randos off of Tumblr

She worked at the store downtown: https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1050/azure/dazed-prod/1150/2/1152124.jpg

So did she: https://sourcingjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/American-Apparel-Bangladesh-ad.jpg

And her: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/01/d1/a701d1612708a8306da85a265dcd09df.jpg

And him: https://live.staticflickr.com/3001/2769514976_35c9bd765d_z.jpg

And him: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d4/f7/45/d4f74585967d4f9d704c4dd1bdc9005a.jpg

And them: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVISXNBfUo-Bp6BbGaUTOmTyrU4rs6JEKeyw&usqp=CAU

American Apparel understood that “the regular attractive people” wanted to be seen and people wanted to see them and these folks could easily function as their models without having to pay “super model” or “celebrity” prices.

The American Apparel models were regular ppl with regular ppl bodies. They had bodies like the above. Not like this.

And it marketed WELL.

That OP was completely off base that “woke” is why that got popular. Tumblr is really why. Tumblr popularized regular looking people showcasing that they were “hot, sultry, and aesthetic.” That you didn’t need to be rich and famous to be aesthetic, in fact the “aesthetic” feels more raw when it’s not celebrity. That regular (non rich and famous) people were having cool moments like this.

Tumblr was the first “social media” that exposed the masses to the above. Before then I think “art directors” in NYC London LA Paris etc. thought they were the only ones with an “eye for things.” Tumblr made them realize “oh shit there are millions of people just like me and now I can’t charge top dollar for ‘curating aesthetic.’”

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Women respond to dumb, woke “you’re all beautiful kweens no matter what you look like” BS

Well, nowadays, that’s true. But the Angels came about in the heyday of 90s supermodels, and had another bump in popularity around the Girls Next Door/Playboy trend of the 00s

It’s just the current marketing trend, it doesn’t really say much more than “today’s female consumers expect brands to have a larger social interest beyond just selling product.” It’ll change again at some point, but ultimately it comes down to the fact that women find shopping and trying new things/new brands enjoyable

Men are much, much more brand loyal. Frustratingly so. But the right marketing campaigns can work on them - pull up any case study on Axe body spray and how the brand weaponized the insecurities of beta males to drive them to buy. And they did, in record numbers

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And those concepts were already known by men before redpill was put together.

I was seeing guys in my high school try and pass themselves off as more rich, better dressed, more suave, learn to hit up girls etc and I’m definitely not your gen. They saw girls fawning over the jocks and imitated them.

This stuff isn’t redpill. At all. It’s concepts redpill is borrowing and that have been known to not-dumb guys for generations (hell my grandfather took huge care with his appearance and men from even the 1920s-1950s knew that being smooth with the ladies was a thing. It was PUA that systematized it though)

The vast majority of men do not know or care what redpill is. Nor will they care as like I said it’s too nerdy for normal men.

What men are becoming is more blackpilled as they’re realizing women are more looks focused than ever and hitting the gym accordingly or even relying on plastic surgery.

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And those concepts were already known by men before redpill was put together.

This stuff isn’t redpill. At all.

You're contradicting yourself.

Plenty of guys are naturally redpilled. They know what the deal is. TRP itself then is just a way to properly compartmentalise different info.

And through internet, social media, memes, guys see the nature of women very clearly and become redpilled without the need to go on the net and figure out the deal

What men are becoming is more blackpilled as they’re realizing women are more looks focused than ever and hitting the gym accordingly or even relying on plastic surgery.

I think you've invented some narrative in Ur head that goes in line with the FDS agenda, and went along with it. "Women are more looks focused than before" is utter bullshit, it's a combination of looks, game, status, wealth etc, varies a lot ofc but nothing radically different to previous generations (maybe height women have become picky on, but that's because our generation is taller anyway)

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Nope. What I mean is exactly what I said. Out in the open hypergamous behavior.

For example:

When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.

Sheryl Sandberg.

This is the most infamous quote referenced by many men already. This type of attitude among women is already prolifically widespread.

So why the fuck should any guy want to be some retirement option for these women?

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Nah. Gen z guys are red pilled as fuck. Meme culture made red pill mainstream. Look at the way the term "simp" blew up. Listen to popular hip-hop/rap songs and the lyrics are filled with red pilled concepts.

There's always been this kind of stuff going around, but when it comes to actual relationships and social interactions, that stuff usually flies right out the window because of feelings created through the information feedback loop and our pre-existing social programming.

I've had conversations with guys and girls around my age and they blurt out some of the most red pilled crap all the time

Idk what that's supposed to mean, but I'm pretty sure a few people "blurting out some red pilled crap" doesn't mean that it's common knowledge among the population.

Postmodernity is the real problem. It goes far beyond sex dynamics

How so?

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There's always been this kind of stuff going around, but when it comes to actual relationships and social interactions, that stuff usually flies right out the window because of feelings created through the information feedback loop and our pre-existing social programming.

The internet's changed it though. Like we see the true nature of women right there on our phones, posting slutty pics for attention, the endless memes etc etc, even if it's a distorted reality. And vice versa

So even if feelings override it all, people will still recognise that they're at risk of getting their heart broken, and accept it because they've weighed up costs and benefits.

Idk what that's supposed to mean, but I'm pretty sure a few people "blurting out some red pilled crap" doesn't mean that it's common knowledge among the population.

In younger population it certainly is. Again, all thanks to the internet

How so?

Postmodernism is a huge rabbit hole, it's something you'd be interested in too. Very meta, very hard to fully wrap your head around.

Essentially we live in hyperreality. What we know of reality has gone so far from direct experience. You come here to discuss sex dynamics, then mistake the nonsensical ramblings of autists as actual truth, and forego actual experience because your memory is poisoned with internet bullshit. These ideas we discuss here then gain its own meaning, entirely separate to experience itself.

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I don't really follow any rp youtube channels or read any of the subs here. I think once you get what you want from the general advice either it works for you or it doesn't. It sounds like these guys are basically going the RSD way where it got to a point where they ran out of things to say and gradually turned into a self-help platform to keep stringing along their audience. A lot of people try to make a name for themself being content providers to an eager audience. Same deal with PUA, there's money to be made doing this stuff.

I've personally thought about writing a book that summarizes everything I know about how to actually get girls. I've tried basically everything, did a lot of reading from different sources and just went out and tried everything I could to see what actually works. At this point I could easily take the average incel and turn him into a pimp. The problem for me is that I doubt I'd make any real money doing it, people would just post my shit all over message boards without actually buying the book. I wouldn't make nearly enough to offset the cost of losing my hard earned knowledge. I might just write it anyway when I'm too old to fuck but for now there's really nothing in it for me.

I think that's generally where a lot of other guys probably are with this stuff. There's a lot of things you can do to get girls, some guys figure it out and some guys don't. Almost no guy who gets a lot of girls gives away their deeply locked secrets. Almost every guy has something. Not just for getting girls but for sex moves or techniques either. You develop a way of working and keep it to yourself. I've read some books on this stuff and there's some decent content here or there but you have to really read between the lines and at least 90% of the content is useless filler material. That's generally what you'll get with the RP dudes giving basic advice on their channel. Some decent nuggets here or there that's incredibly vague. Mostly designed to keep you consuming so they get more views.

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Male and female groups are never going to be direct equivalent because men and woman are different.

For example there will never be a female TRP because TRP is based on male attitudes and values, such as brutal honesty. Woman are never going to be brutally honest about themselves and each-other.

So while FDS has plenty of similarities to incels and MGTOW and even a few to TRP its not a direct equivalent to any of them in particular, it's it's own thing.

FDSers haven't reached the level of annoying invasion and derailment that incels did in turning every post into a whinge fest about their looks, so they don't merit a blanket ban.

Of course when some topics get a bit repetitive the temporary moratoriums come into play. It might be getting time for one on FDS since it's been done to death this week.

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this isn’t a dating or hooking up forum

This is a debate sub designed to discuss those very subjects

Do you think he portrays the same attitude when trying to get action?

Yes, I do. He reminds me a lot of men I know IRL. Guys who change jobs, buy real estate, change wardrobes, do everything they can to attract women … without ever once attempting to fix the repellent combination of desperation and anger directed at women

Maybe I - and other women here - are responding this these people we know IRL more so than OP. But we’re seeing these qualities in him

worthless callous stuff

Like what? Pointing out that it’s fucking weird to mourn the death of your mother by hyperfocusing on your lack of a wife and kids? That’s fucking weird, and I actually have the life experience to say that - I buried my mother while married, but buried my father while divorced

I mourned my father for the man that he was, and what is now missing in my life. My fucking relationship status did not enter into it, despite how painful my divorce was

That alone is a gigantic neon sign that this dude needs intense therapy

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I am not so arrogant to tell someone they are weak and whiney.

People who do that are so scared insiode of being weak that they lash out in jelouse annoyance at anyone who dares show it.

I buried a partent. I cried in front of 150 friends in family because I know I would never be able to give her a granchild. The only thing in my life that I saw ever brought her happiness.

Im sorry fo what you went through, I am sure it was difficult. But I dont run around shitting on other people for their struggle. I dont tell people their pain is not valid. That their need to express their difficulty is a sign they deserve to fail.

But plenty of people here say love is easy. Like you theyu say love is meaningless. That love has no value. That a person to express pain because they will never know what it is to fall in love or be desired is dumb.

But I hope in your life when you meet people with issues, you know better then to tell them that life isnt easy. Because that would make you a dick.

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The only thing I could give my mom that would anyway make her happy. The one thing I could truly do for her that she wanted but never asked from me was a grandkid. I saw that in her eyes with my neice. I never saw her more happy. More fulfilled in my life.

I honestly didnt realize she could be so happy. So joyful. I thought I would have time. She only ever wanted me to be happy. I realized too late that she was the only women who ever loved me. And all she ever wanted was me to be happy.

Maybe you don't understand how much it means for a parent to get a grandchild. I know I didn't. But I saw it. And I wished I could have given that to her. She worked hard all her life, she deserved more happiness then she got in life. I never realized while she was alive my failure at love effected anyone else but me.

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In this little subthread, the following TRP truths are being proven:

1) Women don't care about men's struggles

2) When a man shows negative emotions, women show repulsion and disgust

3) sometimes you do all you can and it still doesn't work

4) Women have absolutely no idea what sexual failure does to a man. If not getting your penis touched broke you, then you’re weaker than most. Fuck. Imagine what would happen to me if i wrote:

--if getting breast cancer and having to have a mastectomy broke you, you're weaker than most

--if having 6 miscarriages broke you, you're weaker than most

--if infertility broke you, you're weaker than most

--if your husband cheating on you and giving you chlamydia 5 times broke you, you're weaker than most

--if your ex husband murdering your child broke you, you're weaker than most

Wow.

5) Men have shittons more empathy for women than women have for men. (And women justify having no empathy for men by mewling "our empathy for you won't help you or change anything".)

6) Men understand women's problems in the SMP much more than women understand men's problems.

I continue to be amazed at the lack even of cold, dispassionate intellectual understanding of men's SMP/MMP problems.

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Primitive society, like many savage societies of our own time, was probably strictly matriarchal. The mother was the head of the family. ...What masculine authority there was resided in the mother's brother. He was the man of the family, and to him the children yielded respect and obedience. Their father, at best, was simply a pleasant friend who fed them and played with them; at worst, he was an indecent loafer who sponged on the mother. They belonged, not to his family, but to their mother's.

Eh kinda doubt that was a universal. It doesn't seem to be a European thing, for example...

We have established the presence of the classic nuclear family in a prehistoric context," Haak and his co-workers declare online today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. In further work, the team analyzed the strontium isotope content of the 13 skeletons' teeth, which varies according to the chemistry of the soil where an individual spends his or her childhood. The researchers found that the children and the adult men grew up in the Eulau area, whereas the adult women came from at least 60 kilometers away--an indication that nuclear families in this region were organized around local men who mated with outside women.

That was in Germany.

There is more than one way to crack an egg as they say. In some cultures the bride comes to the husbands family, in others its reversed, both work.

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/u/EusticeSymington ‘s post on what would make you happy in life got me thinking. I have a good marriage (not perfect but none are) but if there is one thing I miss it’s the passion and excitement of a new relationship — the infatuation, falling in love, the excitement of new sex with a new person and the endless exploration. It makes you feel alive and I think this is the reason otherwise happily married people cheat.

And yes I could have that now. I could easily cheat on mr Blu and he’d never know. But I’m not going to do that. I don’t want to. What I have is better and isn’t worth risking for a new high.

So if I could have anything it would be a button I could press that would make us feel that new high for each other all over again. Think about it — if you could bottle that shit you’d save a million marriages and be the richest person on the planet.

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This is from what is currently one of the most viewed yt podcasts in the arena of dating, specificlaly how men can succeed in dating and partnerships.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylgnh3xJ3cQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkbxui761LA

They're sort of length but if possible, watching even a few mintues of them can give an idea as to what they are saying. In particular, that the notion of modern relationships os often destined to fail because the inherent desire of women to to seek out partners who earn more, have higher status and are in general fitter is innate. And so giving off in image of rejecting this means they are more likely to end up with men who don't have the high standing. In the first video, it was noted how for women earnign men, the deisre is typcially going to be for men to eventually reach their level but for men earning more, that desire won't be there.

Is this commentary valid or just hysteria borne out of lock of understanding of women or men?

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Does anyone watch the Fresh and Fit podcast?

I've been watching it for the past month, but I've got really bored of it now. It's just the same repetitive stuff over and over again - inviting a load of good looking but very dumb women from instagram, Myron just repeats the same lines over and over again ("you have to be comfortable sharing a high value man" "when men and women cheat its different" "the candy store analogy"), and then there's loads of sad guys in the chat who spend $100 on a superchat just to parrot some red pill line that they've heard repeated many times before.

It also comes across as kind of creepy knowing that these women are just being invited on the show because Myron and the other guys want to "game" them into sex. This is their way of going about getting sex.

And finally, there is zero advice for regular average men to help them with women. All the talk is about "high status high value men" and the women they invite on are out of the league of any average man. The closest they come to helping average men is a few fitness advice videos and tips to manage your money - that won't make you high value, it will just make you a slightly better version of an average man.

I might make a thread on this. But I don't know what to use as the title.

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I literally do not see what the men keep bringing up here.

I spoil the f out of my bf when I’m being loving. I’ve washed his hair and put him to bed and made him breakfast when he’d gotten passed out from grad celebrations, cook him extremely rare food I had to source around and surprise him with tickets to shows or trips. He does the same for me with love and care. drives me almost anywhere I ask, drives my parents around etc etc

That stuff isn’t being a pickme. Being a pickme is being desperate for male attention to the point you sacrifice your well being and boundaries for a man or men. Like pretending to be fine if the guy doesn’t remember your birthday, doesn’t do anything for you or forgiving him if he cheats even if you’re dying inside. Pickmes are anxious and very unhappy people who are desperately chasing the guy for every crumb they can get. And they often just get dumped anyway since he’s on to the next target or side chick.

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They can try but most don’t succeed. And no, most narcs tend to go for empaths and codependents the most because it’s those women that have enough lack of self esteem to keep trying despite the bullshit. They pick women who have desirable traits - whether sweet, pretty, high status, whatever- but successfully victimize only those who are emotionally weaker. Strong types tend to be able to figure them out and dump them.

Codependents are essentially stuck in a pattern of giving and sacrificing, without the possibility of ever receiving the same from their partner. They pretend to enjoy the dance, but really harbor feelings of anger, bitterness, and sadness for not taking an active role in their dance experience. They are convinced that they will never find a dance partner who will love them for who they are, as opposed to what they can do for them. Their low self-esteem and pessimism manifests itself into a form of learned helplessness that ultimately keeps them on the dance floor with their narcissistic partner.

The narcissist dancer, like the codependent, is attracted to a partner who feels perfect to them: Someone who lets them lead the dance while making them feel powerful, competent and appreciated. In other words, the narcissist feels most comfortable with a dancing companion who matches up with their self-absorbed and boldly selfish dance style. Narcissist dancers are able to maintain the direction of the dance because they always find partners who lack self-worth, confidence and who have low self-esteem — codependents.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/the-dance-between-codependents-narcissists

Many FDS are former codependents and pickmes. That’s why they’re FDS.

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Your wingman is not supposed to also compete for the girl though, right? Isn’t a wingman supposed to like hype you up and make you look good rather than competing with you?

They were probably wingmanning for each other in that this was an act that they do on other women. Worst case is that only one of them gets laid. Best case is that both of them get laid.

But also there were other girls and people were drunk, why not just move on and try someone else rather than offer up the options of sharing as a last ditch effort?

I think it's important that they pick one girl and focus all of their attention and effort on them because it increases the chance of success. They also hit you with the "illusion of choice" pitch in the hopes that you fell for it and made a decision because you felt pressured to make one but didn't really have to. It's an aggressive sales tactic that shitty sales people use on unsuspecting and naive people to sell stuff.

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Friend of mine is bi and has tried to come on to me before, there's no doubt in my mind he'd love to share a girl with me. Not gonna happen.

I remember back in my clueless days of trying to figure out how to pick up women in bars there was this lady that wanted to fuck me and some other guy she knew there. It got pretty dicey between me and the guy, got ugly, I guess we were both down to fuck her but neither of us wanted a mmf threesome. She wasn't even hot, kind of gross tbh. Glad those newbie days are behind me. I ended up telling them both to fuck off and went home.

Anyway, personally I've never done one and probably never will. Maybe back in the day when I was desperate I might have considered it if she was gorgeous and it was my only shot. These days though I can fuck hot girls on my own, I don't need some other dude's smelly nutsack fumes floating in my face when I'm trying to cum.

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Is there an attractiveness threshold for both genders where they’d compromise and share?

What I'd be willing to tolerate now vs what I would have been willing to tolerate back then are night and day. If you have options it's easy to turn down and walk away from hot pussy, when you've never had the opportunity to fuck a gorgeous girl, you might be willing to tolerate some things you might not have wanted to do. Guys will still want to fuck a plain jane if she's around but the uglier she is, the less shit you're willing to put up with. The plain jane is far from a sure thing either, it's not like your odds of getting some ass go through the roof just because the girl's a basic bitch. You can strike out with a girl next door type one minute and make out with a cute little blonde bunny the next.

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Are we talking sex or relationships? With just sex, there are guys out there that are into mmf threesomes, some athlete I knew was into that shit, he thought it was awesome. Some guys like gangbangs, they like dominating a girl and competing with each other to fuck her harder than the other guy. Whether or not they're secretly bi isn't something I can say personally, maybe some are, maybe some aren't. Other guys might not be into it but willing to tolerate it just to fuck a 9. Alpha males and chads can be into this.

For relationships, two guys sharing a girl has to be ridiculously rare. I've never seen it, unless we're talking about an open relationship which is a different thing. Girls share a man because high value men are far rarer than high value women. When women are single they can have sex with men out of their league, but when it comes time to find a guy who's willing to settle for a relationship she'll find herself crashing back down to earth. Sharing a Chad in this sense is about her trying to get the best of both worlds. It doesn't work like that for men, when average men are single they need to dumpster dive for casual sex, getting into a relationship is where the odds are in his favor to try to fuck a better looking girl.

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Got redpilled within the last 6 mo. Sort of. I refuse to 'spin plates' or be chad. But I ain't no beta cuck, either. Nor am I a sigma. I'm just...me. I'm happy when I'm happy, sad when I'm sad, honest to a fault, insecure when I'm insecure and confident when I'm confident. Had multiple relationships as an adult (I'm in my 30's), and TRP explained so much of what went wrong. I've never been cheated on (that I know of), and I've never cheated. I've broken it off with over half the women I've been with because of (qualities in her) schitzophrenia, pathological liar, didn't know how to show affection, and didn't love me. I've been broken up with because of (traits in me) 'too obsessed' with her and because I didn't love her.

I know this information seems contradictory on the surface, but the women I've really, really loved never loved me. The women who have loved me I never really loved. There was only one that came close to being mutual and she was the schitzo. Even with her, I found her arguing with herself about whether or not she did behind my house. Like, wtf? Most of what she was arguing about had to do with me not being chad, to put it simply.

I realize my role in a lot of the things that went wrong. I really, really do. But I also know what TRP is trying to get at. We don't choose who we love or are attracted to, and that's a problem for me. I need a long term relationship with someone, and I'm too emotionally broken to be vulnerable with someone. If I were and it went south, I would try to kill myself again (haven't tried in over 3 years). So, the only method I can think of that optimizes risk and reward is cave and stick method.

I know that's morally bankrupt, and if there's a god I will go to hell justifiably; and if I get caught I will be thrown in jail and gangraped by inmates if I don't manage to kill myself before they get the cuffs on me; but I won't believe a woman will 'love me for who I am', especially when I hear things constantly along the lines of how much I have to change in order to be successful in a LTR (and believe me I *have* changed for people, to the extreme) or some other platitude/insult. But what choice do I have? I want a family, and there isn't a girl alive who's going to even date me that I want to be with.

I wanted a girl who was kind, honest, and who I was attracted to. How tf do you find that, nowadays? Everybody lies. Most of FDS and women's subs on here espouse the horrible nature of man and how they should be ruthless deciding on their men(Especially in terms of money, which I don't have, and fitness). Now tell me, when faced with all this hate towards me from outset, before I even do anything, how tf do I find someone? How can I approach a girl and even say 'hi' when I know that if I develop the feels that I could kill myself when she inevitably rejects me in some way?

And please, don't just say 'get therapy' and write me off. Therapists are there to listen and lead information out of you to help you formulate the right answers yourself. I don't have them. I'm looking for an original solution to this. I'm going to try my options before I do the deed, but I have no hope that I will find any kind of success in developing feels for a girl that has feels for me, or that we'll stay together even if that's the case.

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You know, I had an emotional break at 16 that robbed me of a good deal of my intelligence. Went from A's and B's without studying or doing homework to D's and F's over night. I was in a fog for over a decade. Recently got a lot of it back, thanks to stoicism and years of mental exercise. Most of the experiences that I have had have been with poor quality women who were broken themselves. But I never intentionally led any woman on, and I always tried to look past the woman's poorer qualities to see the value that was under the surface.

Many times, if I was unintentionally leading them on, I thought my feels for them would come into existence as the relationship grew (as they had when I was in high school with some girls). I sacrificed for every woman I was with. All my desires took a back seat to theirs. I never said anything I thought would hurt them. And, inadvertently, I never stood up for myself, either.

That's where TRP came in and I realized that I had been acting like a man who felt he had no value, so these women walked all over me. But they didn't know I wouldn't stand for that because I was acting like I would. So, I wound up breaking things off with them. Not every relationship went down like that, but most did.

So, when you sit here and tell me I have no/little empathy and that I wasn't kind, you have no idea what you're talking about. Insecure about my looks? I was told that looks didn't matter so much as long as you checked the other boxes (by my mom).

I did the best I could, and I got the worst these broken women had to offer, with only one exception that turned out to be the pathological liar-so who knows on her part.

It may be that like attracts like and that's *why* none of these relationships worked out, because none of them could match me for devotion or commitment, even in the midst of my mind fog.

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I understand, and I agree that redpill is not the exclusive answer for me to find some worth or value in myself, it's just that it *did* help me find value in myself. If I paid attention to FDS or twoXchromosomes, I would have to come to the conclusion that I had no value, none, zero.

And I don't think the solution is for me to work harder on myself. I have improved myself emotionally and physically, but for the reason that I do have value - not for women or relationships. Seeking better women might work, but nowadays I'm not sure I could meet their standards at the best of times. And even besides that, would they be able to see my value?

And even besides all that, I *want* that relationship where I'm her world and she's mine. I want to be the center of her and likewise. I want to commit to someone who's going to commit to me, wholeheartedly, no reservations, deeply, borderline unconditionally (as in, committed unless cheating or I murder someone). I'm not sure that really exists anymore because of what I've seen women value in relationships. It all seems so...shallow...Not saying I don't understand the importance of money in a relationship, or that I'm going to deny physical attraction is a thing, but love is not real high up on the priorities anymore. I guess I'm old school like that. And how could a woman love me when she's got hundreds of guys who are worse, better, and about the same as me, superficially, flinging themselves at her daily?

Do you see what I'm getting at?

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You're kind of just proving my point. I don't even meet *your* standards and I've come light years from where I was 4 years ago, hell even from 6 mo's ago. And that's beside the point. That love that you would give me, if we started dating, would be heavily conditional on my physical appearance among other things. I don't want to be constantly afraid you're going to leave me if I put on a few extra pounds or be terrified that you're going to abandon me if I don't meet some hidden criteria that you've set up as some kind of shit test to see if I really do care. I don't want to live in terror every minute of every day that you're going to find someone else simply because I don't meet some superficial idea that you have about what a man should be.

I want you to love me for who I am, right here, right now. And I want you to love the man I am tomorrow and the next day and the next day, unconditionally, for the rest of our lives. And I want to love you like that, as well. But as long as you have those conditions for your emotions - or worse: that your emotions just (outside of your control) latch onto some hotter or richer guy than me one day - I could never trust you. I could never trust you to love me completely. I can't trust anyone to fully love me because I *know* that somewhere down the line I'm not going to match up. On that day, will your love be as faithful as mine?

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I've never wanted what you're describing. Even as a kid. Even as a teenager. And even now. I don't want to be that person that can break it off and be okay. I don't want someone who's going to be okay if they break it off with me. Maybe that's unhealthy, but I don't really care. And I don't really expect it, either. Not anymore. That's kind of the problem.

The only way to even come close to this kind of 'codependency' is cave and stick method. That way, she is dependent upon me for all of her needs, and I am free to love with all the love that I can give with two exceptions: allowing her freedom and letting her decide when to have sex. In a normal relationship, if I were to love completely unconditionally, she'd leave. At least this way, if she does choose to be bitchy towards me, I will deserve it.

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Mods, please sticky this or add it to the site rules.

Once and for all. A pickme/pickmesha is NOT a woman who treats her man well.

It’s a woman who puts up with garbage from garbage men and pretends her doormat status makes her a “real woman who supports her man.”

It comes from black American culture where, sadly, a disproportionate number of men are unemployed and don’t have the life skills to be good partners. These men will find a woman who will let him live in her apartment without paying a dime, drive her car, sit the house and play video games all day, have babies with her and leave her to take care of them at night while he goes out with other women, all the while disrespecting her. And she will find all manner of ways to justify her choice because she doesn’t want be alone and there aren’t many high RMV men in her world.

Its a lot better to feel like a martyr for the downtrodden black man than a fool.

Edit I suspect there’s some of this too in poor white communities.

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I don’t think putting together a burger is significantly more complex than what many mass manufacturing machines do today.

You ever handle food? Lots of hygiene to worry about. Not to mention the fragility of food. The best current burger flipping machine can't put the patties on the grill and fucks up regularly, IIRC.

The bottleneck seems to have been the cashier but that’s already going away with many fast food places moving to ordering screens.

Yeah most service jobs have been more about convenience for the customer. A lot still stay around, but only because some people enjoy being served by people.

That being said I think these are problems that will be solved in the near future (I.e 20 to 50 years) not the stuff of far future sci fi speculation.

I think closer to 50. Either gives the economy enough time to adapt to the new labor market. Just like the industrial revolution.

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Where to start...

The article does not specify white men.
The article is a click bait opinion piece written for shock value. But I’ll be interested to read the first story about a employer who read this and decided to denote all of their white male employees.
When similar articles for were being written about people of color for eons — and continue to be written — were you similarly upset? Cause if this constitutes “legal discrimination ” I can’t write you a book from my own life of such “legal discrimination.” Oh and some actual real discrimination too.
I’ve already acknowledged this was written to be click bait and as such intentionally provocative, but it comes from the idea that “whiteness” is not cultural or about so called white skin, it was a political and economic distinction created the government to delineate who had the rights and privileges in the new America and who didn’t. Don’t believe me? Ask an Italian American, who wasn’t legally considered “white” until WW2. The idea is to begin to think about the historical ramifications of what “white” (the political and social designation) means. That’s all. Nothing to be afraid of.
You argued that white and Asian men have been legally and illegally discriminated against. If so, I’d expect we would see some data showing adverse outcomes for both groups. What we actually see is both groups being overrepresented in pretty much every category you can think of. In fact the only subset here who has a legit beef based on their skin color is asians who despite being overrepresented at elite institutions are held to a higher academic standard for admission — however the blame is not on non Asian students it’s on the universities who discriminate — universities who also let in a far higher rate of lower qualified “legacy” students and I’m sure I don’t have to tell you what race nearly all of them are. Stats for harvard: 5% of Asian American students who apply get in. 35% of legacy students who apply get in.

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I just pulled the first article. I wasn't going for anything super specific. Everyone knows about the cis-het-straight-white-male patriarchy theory being pushed by a powerful minority.
Click bait or not, Yahoo! wouldn't print an article titled Blackness is a pandemic.
I am not saying racism didn't exist or doesn't exist today. It has and does exist. I don't like it.
Everyone knows that "whiteness" is a dog whistle for what a lot of intelligentsia say out loud: white. There may be some people rigorously studying whiteness as a subject. I have no problem with them. There is a difference between being curious about the evolution of who is considered white in what areas and agitprop for racists.
You can see an article on discrimination in college admissions here. This is the most studied, but certainly not the only example. Affirmative action is spreading despite lawsuits striking it down continuously.

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yeah, but this is not the flu.the death rate is more than 2%, much higher, and it's way more easy to transmit.there are new variants popping up.if left unchecked, they will get worse and worse.the delta(indian) variant is already very concerning for example, it's started killing young people with no health issues and while the vaccine still is effective against it, it has been fairing worse against it compared to normal covid.so, we need to stop it from further mutating by reaching collective immunity through vaccination.it has been proven that if left unchecked it will overwhelm hospitals, in some places it already has.we need to stop the spread so people stop dying from it. are you from the US? 615 000 people have already died there from it, millions worldwide and that's heavily undercounted.is that not enough for you? did you do your part by getting your vaccine? you do that not only for yourself, but to protect those around you

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for very healthy young people, it may be lower yes.i don't see how that matters.covid wasn't really big in india last year.sheer luck, undertesting, i don't know.but did you hear recent news? they have gone and are still going through a horrible crisis due to covid.dead people on the street, in the rivers.hospitals simply overwhelmed. tens of thousands of deaths and many more not counted.the new variants have started affecting young people too. about the vaccine, you get it to help people around you, not only yourself.more people vaccinated, less chance for the virus to travel and infect others.it also protects you from getting it, which at best is a pretty big hassle, self isolating etc, and it can leave you with lasting effects like lose of taste etc. you need to get your vaccine so people that can't get it for various health reasons are safe.you sound very selfish.there is no downside in getting it.

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I've run the numbers 4x now, when it first came out in China, and every 6 months (ish) after that. Every time I come up with the same thing. It's just not nearly as deadly as the media claims.

Flu mortality rates are somewhere in the 0.1%-0.2% rate (ie. if you contract it, the chance you have of dying), the last time I ran the numbers Covid came in at around 0.15% - 0.4%. So sure, people will die, but just not nearly as many as you're lead to believe. Many people are dying WITH covid, not because of it and being misreported. Also we have almost 8 billion people on the planet, people die from mundane shit all the time, it just never makes the news.

Wash your hands, don't lick toilet seats, but otherwise go about your day and rest assured that your more likely to die in a car accident, obesity related ailments, or from cancer than from covid.

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consensus among medical people is that it happens as a last resort for the body to protect itself

My counter hypothesis is that it just feels good and they orgasm despite the circumstances and that no one wants to say this because its akin to saying "they liked it" to some people.

One current theory for the evolution of the female orgasm was that it was to induce ovulation.

(Ok did a bit of reading)

I think my guess is correct, women who do get aroused by their sexual assault do talk about it feeling good and the conflicting emotions that created. I honestly can't see anything protective though in my reading that makes sense.

The feeling good thing though probably just can't be helped, the nerve endings are there, I'm straight but I'm sure if I was tied down and some guy blew me I'd have the possibility of getting an erection and orgasming even though I have no desire to be in that situation.

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The protective part is literally wetness

This is the part where I am not sure, and it could be because of how I have sex I don't see it.

Since I'm not a rapist the woman is aroused prior to penetration, and is less wet after orgasm. I can't see women getting raped dry and in pain then orgasm anyways which is somehow protective.

I can see them getting wet due to the stimulation prior as protective, and its protective even in non-rape situations.

The other issue is that from my reading something like 4-5% of women report an orgasm in rape though they say it might be higher as women wouldn't want to report that for obvious reasons.

My guess is these are women who just orgasm easy too. The 70% can't orgasm through PIV alone has definitely held true in my life, including my wife who has never had a piv orgasm, and the women who despite being super turned on and wanting an orgasm can't always get there.

Flip side some women orgasm so easily that its almost comical to a guy used to women hard to orgasm. Its like "what the hell? How did that happen so fast".

I'm going to guess the ones who do in rape are in that super fast group. Just a hunch.

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Passed over for promotions, yes.

No, I'm not forced to hear opinions I don't like. But I am forced to keep my opinions silent. I am forced to censor myself. I am keenly aware that I am demonized as a middle aged white man. I am keenly aware that if I say anything, I'll be destroyed, and probably murdered.

I also know that you, and people like you, blame me, and people like me, for things we did not do and have never done, for opinions we don't hold and have never held.

And how’s that affecting you personally? Lost any jobs or been passed over for any promotions lately? Been harassed in public or at work? Been a victim of a hate crime? Had the cops shoot you while unarmed?

No. And guess what? They haven't happened to you either.

None of that affects YOU personally, either. Or your husband. Or your children.

You're still on here, every day, saying whatever you want to say. And bearing no consequences for it.

You grew up uppermiddle class. You went to college on a gymnastics scholarship. You have a master's degree. You're married (only 1 in 4 black women marries). You have a husband AND a child AND a desk job.

So don't come in here playing the "I'm so underprivileged" game. You are even MORE privileged than I am- I, and my family, fucking PAID for my college education out of our own pockets. Did you do that? No, you did not - You went to college on scholarship.

If anything like that ever DID happen to you or yours, there would be a hue and cry that would go up like Portland did in flames. If it did, whoever did it to you or yours would be hanged from the nearest lamppost and their bodies burned and their heads on pikes outside the local courthouse. If it did, they, and their children, and their children's children, would be utterly DESTROYED.

And we both know it.

THERE is the justice in this world.

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Passed over for promotions, yes.

Care to share details?

But I am forced to keep my opinions silent. I am forced to censor myself.

All evidence to the contrary

I also know that you, and people like you, blame me, and people like me, for things we did not do and have never done, for opinions we don't hold and have never held.

So... you’ve never heard me say this but are taking liberty to ASSUME I believe this while bitching that you’re being blamed for things you didn’t do.

You can’t make this shit up.

And how’s that affecting you personally? Lost any jobs or been passed over for any promotions lately? Been harassed in public or at work? Been a victim of a hate crime? Had the cops shoot you while unarmed?

They haven't happened to you either.

Actually they all have happened to me (except being shot by a cop).

You're still on here, every day, saying whatever you want to say. And bearing no consequences for it.

Is there some Reddit prison I don’t know about that you’ve been sentenced to serve in?

You grew up uppermiddle class.

Yep.

You went to college on a gymnastics scholarship.

Not on scholarship

You have a master's degree.

Yep

You're married (only 1 in 4 black women marries).

Yep

You have a husband AND a child AND a desk job.

Yep

So don't come in here playing the "I'm so underprivileged" game.

Good thing I didn’t. Unless you want to show us exactly where I did that.

You are even MORE privileged than I am- I, and my family, fucking PAID for my college education out of our own pockets. Did you do that? No, you did not - You went to college on scholarship.

My parents paid for it. I paid for my own grad degree.

If anything like that ever DID happen to you or yours, there would be a hue and cry that would go up like Portland did in flames.

It did. Nothing went up in flames.

If it did, whoever did it to you or yours would be hanged from the nearest lamppost and their bodies burned and their heads on pikes outside the local courthouse.

It did. No one got hanged.

If it did, they, and their children, and their children's children, would be utterly DESTROYED. And we both know it. THERE is the justice in this world.

It did. No children destroyed.

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Care to share details?

No. You wouldn't believe me anyway. Plus, I'll ask you to share details of your alleged incidents, and I am sure I won't get any such "details" from you. (And "details" in the form of you relating the alleged incidents won't suffice. I want names, dates, locations, unredacted news reports, and unredacted police reports.)

All evidence to the contrary

I censor myself more than you'll ever know. I don't have a choice. I censor myself far more than you do - you are allowed to say pretty much anything you want here. You're a PPD Untouchable.

So... you’ve never heard me say this but are taking liberty to ASSUME I believe this while bitching that you’re being blamed for things you didn’t do.

You're here every day lamenting the plight of certain people, and implicitly and in some cases explicitly blaming it on certain other people. You go on the attack with me pretty frequently.

Actually they all have happened to me (except being shot by a cop).

Care to share details?

Is there some Reddit prison I don’t know about that you’ve been sentenced to serve in?

Come on. You know that's not the case (except for the occasional bans, which you never serve). The point is that you can say anything you want here to anyone you want, with no fear of any consequence. You're a PPD Untouchable.

Good thing I didn’t. Unless you want to show us exactly where I did that.

Your claims that you were passed over for promotion, harassed in public, and victimized by a "hate crime". As well as complaining all the time about "injustices". Details, please. Names, dates, locations, unredacted news reports, unredacted police reports, please.

It did. Nothing went up in flames.

Prove it.

It did. No one got hanged.

Prove it.

It did. No children destroyed.

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Prove it.

You can have the last word here, i won't respond to anything you write. I've gotten two 1-day bans in the last 2 weeks for "extreme flaming" and "slapfighting" after extreme provocations and blistering attacks from others. So, go ahead and say whatever you want - nothing will happen anyway....

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No. You wouldn't believe me anyway.

K then

I want names, dates, locations, unredacted news reports, and unredacted police reports.)

😂😂😂 you kill me

You're a PPD Untouchable.

Wanna see my gun?

You're here every day lamenting the plight of certain people, and implicitly and in some cases explicitly blaming it on certain other people.

Examples please.

Cue: cop out with u wOnT bLeeVe mE aNywAy sO nO!!

You go on the attack with me pretty frequently.

Nope. I try to debate with you but you don’t actually debate.

Come on. You know that's not the case

Yeah... cause it was sarcasm.

Prove it.

You want me to prove that something doesn’t exist.

And you’re a lawyer too. Smh

I mean you do realize that I am not the source of your misery. Right? I’m a convenient scapegoat but at some point you have to own your shit.

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If you want to really be red pilled, you need to be well versed in philosophy. Specifically people like Machiavelli (for strategy and playing the game of life right), Jung (to understand the inner workings of the human psyche - and thus urself too), Foucault (hate him with a passion but his insights are extremely profound), Nietzsche (fav of edgy students for a reason) etc etc

By increasing your knowledge, you are fine tuning your intuition, and this permeates into every aspect of ur being. Jung's work is particularly potent in this aspect. Knowledge is power after all.

3.5g of shrooms helps too. Psychadelics are incredibly powerful tools to alter your brain chemistry and create new links in ur brain, setting a clear intention and doing a trip properly is a shortcut, you will leave the experience a different person. Its been proven that psychs can help get rid of self destructive habits. I noticed a massive difference in the way women perceived me after experimenting with psychs. Words couldnt describe it. Its like they can see my mind is on another wavelength.

At some point, you realise the need to transcend the red pill. Red pill does not have the academic funding, to provide you with the entire truth. It's brilliant for what it is, a compilation of ideas from the collective consciousness of men in an online safe space. It contains truths, However there's lots of "bits" missing, and its evident that a lot of men dont process the info properly and get stuck in the bitter phase, part of its down to them and part of it is due to the incompleteness of TRP.

For example, a lot of women get mad at the provocative tone of TRP, which comes across as unashamedly misandrist, and even sociopathic. Men may internalise this in a way that wont benefit them when interacting with women. However, its like that to drive the point home, and decondition you from the blue pilled filth thats been poisoned your brain ever since you were a little kid watching perfect romance stories on Disney Pixar. Again, a limit of it existing on the fringe of the net. Whilst women are incapable of looking beyond their emotions, its up to men to read through it and pick up the gems of wisdom.

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It's not technology that I mind, it's the fact that we are plugged into it most of the day and how consumerist it is. I'm guilty of it. Buying shit I don't need just for the dopamine and how well the purchase integrates me into an archetypal nostalgia I'm being sold. Think of the 80s turquoise and magenta retro chic. Cool casio watch duuddee!

And I hate large scale farming etc - I'm currently making my own bacon and I got slow grown, heritage breed pork with at least a somewhat decent life, and my bacon overall will cost me well over twice the price of crappy shop bacon.

The gap between rich and the not-rich is a chasm now. They have squeezed the humanity out of everything just for profit.

Anyway, don't want to get too dry. I enjoy flirting with you more - or trying to.

Nope, not heard of it. I'm assuming some kind of reality TV back to farming experience type thing?

Did you have to ruin the fun I would have in telling you about it by summarizing my daft programme so accurately? Lmao. You're supposed to say: "No, Symington, I have no idea what it is. Please tell me about so you can use it as ammunition to chat me up via puns and innuendo. Yours', Lajestic xxx". :p

You basically got it on one with the exception of how many kids they had. I think they had over 6 of them. Kids can be used as labour to help out on the farm. It has a big cult following from would-like-to-be-trad career women.

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Anyway, don't want to get too dry. I enjoy flirting with you more - or trying to.

You know there's no point flirting with me, you know you're too tall for me 😅

Did you have to ruin the fun I would have in telling you about it by summarizing my daft programme so accurately? Lmao. You're supposed to say: "No, Symington, I have no idea what it is. Please tell me about so you can use it as ammunition to chat me up via puns and innuendo. Yours', Lajestic xxx". :p

You basically got it on one with the exception of how many kids they had. I think they had over 6 of them. Kids can be used as labour to help out on the farm. It has a big cult following from would-like-to-be-trad career women.

Apologies 🤣 Omg 6 kids 😩 when I was a kid I wanted 6 kids but I am much wiser now 😅 tbf though if I had a farm I might want the free labour.

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>My partner doesn't want me to get pregnant again because he doesn't want to see me go through it

His arse. Tell him to get his hand in his pocket and get a room for the baby made up. :p

>I do get broody, and I like kids. I love my niece and nephew. But I'm at more risk of an ectopic pregnancy since I've already had one and I'm not gonna lie, it was a horribly off-putting experience.

We all have certain risks but we shouldn't let it dictate our lives. My own cousin died of an ultra rare form of skin cancer (less than a dozen in Scottish medical history) for example so I am susceptible too. I'm not just being a PPD dick by saying you don't have forever. You are the just about the same age as me so you do still have time. I personally would love kids. My youngest nephew is a clone of me. Looks more like me than his own mother and it kinda lit the urge to make my own one lol.

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My loved ones and I are healthy, my husband and I live in a cozy small house with a garden in suburbs/outskirts or in a village that close enough to a big city with a really good infrastructure. My mother lives either with us due to her age or nearby so I can visit her regularly.

We have stable medium/high income and can work from home or any other place we like. We do for a living something we enjoy or at least don't hate, for now it would be some kind of work in IT as we're getting our second education in it. Most likely an ideal place would be small or medium-sized company interested in workers well-being. It would be nice if I could use my knowledge of languages at work.

We don't have to work 24/7 and we have enough time for each other, our hobbies, travelling etc. I do gardening, take art classes and learn 4th/5th foreign language. My husband works on his own projects and build/fix/organize whatever he wants. Ideally and not realistically - we have 2 cats and 2 dogs. Considering real life and the allergy I'm okay with having just 2 dogs.

Not sure about kids. They don't fit well into peaceful living in a village, I think they'd require us to live in a flat in a city in order for them to get a good education. I guess if we decide to have any, ideally we'd have a daughter or two daughters, who'd be 100% healthy and not too noisy kids loving reading and nature.

So overall I want to be with my husband, have a good work and life balance, travel around a lot and be able to take care of my mother when/if she needs it.

What about you?

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Ok, this thread on how you should be dating multiple people and keeping that fact to yourself. Any man who knows his self-worth isn't going to be cool with this.

https://old.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/n1ks5z/as_a_single_woman_at_any_given_time_you_should_be/

There was this other post that detailing exactly how to act on a date: your posture, how to get out of a car, how to eat on a date, etc. Some really weird PUA-like shit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/eqp7lo/practical_tips_mega_essay_easy_classy_ways_to/

When approaching doors or chairs, have both your hands softly clasped on your handbag etc and slow your pace. Mind your posture, very important here.

When the bill comes you don’t even notice it. When your glass is empty you don’t notice. If he’s going to take care of it, sometimes he needs time to notice, or for you both to finish a part of a conversation. Try to avoid topping up your own water/ wine glass

Bonus tip: next time you’re discussing literally anything - be it food, cars, clothes, books...heck even your educational background...find a way to tell him about something you recently treated yourself to. He’ll see that you are a woman of taste and means, and he’ll know that if he does ever decide to really treat you, you’ll appreciate the quality.

There's literally no point in trying to fake stuff like this. You either have it or you don't.

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Yes, if she sticks around we will get her spayed. All of our house and barn cats here have been fixed ...we haven't had kittens for a few years.

This may not pan out though as she seems to be moving the babes ... it is sunny today and got really hot under the tarp! She seems to have disappeared with one of the kittens. We opened up both ends to let some air circulate in there ... we'll see if she comes back and how many are still there tonight. I don't think she was distressed, as I looked in on her an hour or so after we fed her and checked the babes, and she had eaten and was contentedly washing her face. The kittens are clean and appear to be flea-free ... no crusty eyes or sore umbilical stumps.

I'm worried as to where she might take them and whether they'll be adequately sheltered, but gotta let nature take its course, I guess. We'll keep putting food out under the tarp for her.

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I guess, I mean they're all insecure even the hot ones. The ones who are obviously going to be very insecure are the ugly girls, and why even bother with those? Insecurity sounds like a meme tbh, it's like a girl saying she got taken advantage of because she was "vulnerable" and then actually believing that's the reason why dude stuck his dick in her. "Insecurity", "Vulnerability", "Naivety", these are just ways of saying that she felt weak against him. Maybe in certain instances one of her guy friends can try to take advantage of her when something traumatic happens to her like her dad dies or she gets kicked out of her apartment, angling her emotionally fragility into something sexual but tbh this shit is not my game. Mostly though girls try to throw around words like insecurity even in instances when it doesn't apply just to play the victim.

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Question: does anyone think the topic of self-sacrifice and dating would be a good one to discuss? I feel like a lot of people really try to act like someone another person would likely find attractive to the point where they are no longer "themselves," which can be a rather sad perspective of dating. I've seen it often where guys become a different person around their gf or around women, and because they have to or else they would be single. I imagine some guys finally breathing a sigh of relief after their gfs are gone because they can relax, and I imagine women sitting at home on their couches or lying in their beds sitting in front of a mirror somewhat depressed because they don't feel valued for who they are, or really like anyone sees "the real her" underneath the makeup and clothes.

My personal opinion: no man or woman is worth giving up your identity and dignity for. Be authentic at all times.

What think? Topik iz gud?

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Title	Weekly Community Chat Megathread
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