Doctors warn US is barreling towards same fertility crisis as Japan - where one in 10 men in their 30s are VIRGINS and third of women will be childless

13choppedup2chopped · 2023-09-02T21:47:39+00:00

Eventually, society will have to face up to the fact that large percentage of women , maybe even most women don’t want kids if they have a choice.

Orangematcha · 2023-09-02T20:53:21+00:00

There’s other factors then the ones your thinking of.

Economically and financially: having kids is a financial burden that you understand when you think about the child’s future and don’t just have them because it’s “your next step in life”

Freedom: no kids, more time to do as you please and in some cases no partner more time to do as you please. That’s more so in the US as in Japan they are known for using more free time to work more. In other countries travel and leisure are much bigger.

Society isn’t necessarily worried about virgins since that is a personal problem. Lower population is separate from it since even couples are choosing to not have kids. Which as someone that believes in overpopulation this correction will be beneficial to the world and if it’s not at least my kids aren’t gonna be in a shit hole.

Warm_Gur8832 · 2023-09-02T23:44:54+00:00

This is a basic natural reality of socioeconomic development.

Greater wealth and technology in a society leads to lower birth rates.

Instead of freaking out about this, western countries need to watch Japan closely to see where they’ll be in a decade or two and what works or doesn’t to keep society moving forward.

RavenWolf1 · 2023-09-03T11:41:23+00:00

There is simple reason why we don't have enough kids these days. It is a reason which aren't talked about. We all skirt around it. We invent like billions of reason which aren't really the problems which would solve this. People say that housing are expensive, it is long work days etc. but honestly those are just excuses. If it where about money then rich would have lots of kids. If it were long work day then Scandinavia would be full of children. If it were about costs then poor countries wouldn't have so many kids.

The true reason here is that in past children were mandatory for survival. Kids worked from early age and did bring income to household. They were your pension. If you wanted to survive you had to be in marriage and have to have kids. It was simple as that. But today, children are burden. They cost money and cost time. We have it so good that we don't need children anymore. Children actually lowers our standard of living (both quality, money and time wise). Modern developed world also has so much distractions in life. We want to experience life not to get shackled to children. This is core reason to this problem. We can't do anything to change it. It affects every developed country and it is going to get worse in future.

Sure many people dream to have children but they always put it off because there is always some excuse for it. Then women realize too late that they can't have anymore children and if they can they can't have enough for it to matter. To keep our number stable we would need 2.1 children per woman. If 50% women don't want to have children that would mean that rest would have to get 4.2 children. There no way to turn this boat around.

I can only think two methods which might help. Make having children a career. Pay like $2500/month income for having a child and some extra per every children etc. Another would be dystopian sci-fi solution. Create children from artificial wombs in factories and have full control for government to raise them to adults in some educational centers.

But honestly we don't need more children. Current world is getting shitter place and we have too many people already. We are inventing more and more tech which distracts us from our biological purpose (procreation). Entertainment are sucking us in. Automation is going to take our jobs. Soon we are also inventing cure for aging and that would be huge problem for planet if we would have more children.

For everyone where we are headed is better to have less children. We often forgot that economy is just tool for us. Economy will adapts or change. If capitalism can't function in world like that then we will have something else. Just like in our history.

itiswhatitis1090 · 2023-09-03T04:32:43+00:00

I read an article during the pandemic from BBC that the world by 2100 was going to face a population crisis. Japan and Spain were going to have their populations cut in half by then. That would make more sense now. The US however was projected to still be growing by then.

bluestjuice · 2023-09-02T21:52:22+00:00

Do men want to be having more children, en masse?

Opening_Tell9388 · 2023-09-03T00:46:11+00:00

This is just what happens in heavily industrialized nations.

Spaciousone · 2023-09-02T23:14:58+00:00

Sorry I’m to busy enjoying my free time to care maybe the government should care more and I’ll think about it if not why bother.

Sad_and_grossed_out · 2023-09-02T23:13:19+00:00

Having kids just seems more trouble and money than it's worth in the current state of our culture.

Pretty much all my friends and acquaintances with kids seem stressed and tired to the max. It cost my friend, with insurance in a red state almost 20k to birth a child in a hospital. I can't imagine the bill if there has been complications instead of a healthy birth.

A lot of men run/leave their women when she's pregnant or with young kids because they decide it's too much effort, and you can't ever know which men will bail so you're basically taking a gamble.

Also the main cause of death for pregnant women is murder, too many men in domestic violence situations won't begin hitting their partner until she becomes pregnant. Too many men are just simply either unreliable or worse, violent.

Plus once the kid is here you gotta CONSTANTLY protect them from pedophiles, and I really do believe a way higher percentage of men are pedos than anyone wants to admit or deal with. I know so many adults who were child victims of sexual abuse it's insane how common it is. I had creepy inappropriate encounters with adult men in my community when I was just six years old.

Also I'm just really unimpressed with humans in general, we can be really really shitty and awful. It's feels counterintuitive for me to use my body to create more of them 🤷🏻‍♀️

Oli_love90 · 2023-09-02T23:27:47+00:00

Anytime I see articles likes this, I always wonder if this is also a natural reaction to a “baby boom”. Were the amounts of kids born in the past actually “unnaturally” way higher, now making people having 3, less or no kids an issue in sustaining an artificial population boost?

For example my grandmother had 7 kids. Those kids went on to have 3-1 kids per person. My aunt was an outlier in this case, also having 7 kids but at that point already this seemed excessive (in western society, not where she raised her kids). But I see this trend a lot - the world will most likely never have been able to reach a true replacement level.

I’m maybe wrong but it’s something I’ve thought about.

Zealousideal-Sell137 · 2023-09-03T12:22:57+00:00

It's kinda obvious to me why women aren't having or delaying having kids.

THey don't wanna give up their luxary lifestyles
They need to find a man who makes more than them so that they can maintain their lifestyles if they have kids
Women are often out earning men nowadays which makes it harder.

I'm a woman, it's literally this. We can't find a good man to settle down with.

Good meaning, one who's goodlooking, well off financially and won't cheat.

FaradayBurka · 2023-09-03T16:03:24+00:00

I am ok with this.

WistfulPuellaMagi · 2023-09-02T23:47:02+00:00

Hmmm I wonder if the current abortion laws have anything to do with women being afraid of getting pregnant. Like in some states if the pregnancy is life threatening they have to still give birth without additional life saving surgery (even though they claim to have an exception but don’t clearly define it)…nah probably not

Willow-girl · 2023-09-03T02:30:11+00:00

There is an exponential factor in play here, I think. When people grow up in a society with a lot of large families, they become accustomed to having younger siblings around and participating in their care. Teenaged girls work as babysitters and become competent caregivers. When they reach an age when it's time to start a family themselves, they understand what is involved. It's not unfamiliar territory. It's their "normal."

However, if a person was raised in a more isolated environment, without much exposure to small children, it isn't their normal. And as increasing numbers are raised in isolation, people become less and less likely to have meaningful contact with small children and develop a sense of the possibilities of family life.

SwishWolf18 · 2023-09-03T01:35:29+00:00

Say goodbye to the Ponzi scheme that is social security.

mrsmariekje · 2023-09-03T06:36:49+00:00

Anyone who sees this as a problem that can be fixed is in absolute denial. It's bizarre that certain people (usually on the right wing of politics) refuse to accept the idea that a significant number of people do not want children and won't be bribed or compelled into having them.

The reason people had children in the past is because 1) they had sex drives 2) there was strong religious pressure to be fruitful and most importantly 3) there. Was. No. Birth. Control.

Only 1 of those things is true now. In what world would be expect birth rates to remain the same? Absolute madness.

People do not exist to churn out babies for the sake of maintaining the system. The system exists to serve us. If we value freedom and autonomy at all in our society - which we do - then we will have to adjust our society to suit the reproductive choices of our population. That means scrapping state pensions (since how will we pay for it?), reducing the size of the government significantly (since how will we pay for it?), and for countries with socialised medicine, getting rid of that too (since how will we pay for it?) at least in the short term until the population pyramid inverses again.

Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis · 2023-09-02T21:50:37+00:00

I heavily doubt only 1 in 10 men in their 30s are virgins in Japan. It's probably twice or thrice that.

DopeAFjknotreally · 2023-09-03T01:48:16+00:00

Kids don’t make sense when life is as expensive as it is. The baby boomer generation complete ruined this country with their greed.

Then you factor in the social issues where people just want to stay inside and not socialize…it’s a true recipe for disaster

timascus · 2023-09-03T10:02:27+00:00

Not surprising

constantly_decaying · 2023-09-03T14:29:25+00:00

People are saying only 40% of our male ancestors did reproduce so if that's true, 10% virgins isn't any rapid change. Also, it feels kinda cold to have a lot of kids while working most of the waking hours away from the kids, work and home life work is a 200% job all together which is a perfect setup for burnouts. It's not about the physical part but about the endless of responsibilities from different areas to keep in mind at the same time incessantly.

Highonuppers · 2023-09-02T21:49:58+00:00

I don’t care

MxMaster9907 · 2023-09-02T20:47:35+00:00

This is mostly an economic issue. Having a kid is crazy expensive. Young people can’t even move out of their parents house, let alone have one child.

Sure, part of this is a social issue as well. Kids are growing with less and less socialization like many of you (will understand). Young generations are getting more depressed and anxious. I would love to ser how much food and social media impact this as well.

bruhminer · 2023-09-02T20:49:34+00:00

The fact that men are virgins is not a fertility crisis. Also 1 in 10 men being virgins in their 30s actually sounds decent lol, I expected much worse stats.

AdComprehensive6588 · 2023-09-03T00:54:43+00:00

Luckily the U.S has ridiculous immigration and above average fertility due to the religious population.

We’ll be way better off then most

OldLawfulness5761 · 2023-09-03T11:48:21+00:00

Well the one thing you can say for certain about the modern-day interplay of the sexes is that it can't go on like this. Sooner or later a course correction must come, either through conscious action or through really unpleasant realities making themselves felt

AntiFeminismAU · 2023-09-03T03:21:25+00:00

“Experts have many theories as to why our interest in sex is dwindling - including porn addiction, lipido-sapping drugs like antidepressants, low testosterone levels among men, obesity and other factors.”

Why are they ignoring the real reason of female hypergamy?

Aphor1st · 2023-09-03T04:50:48+00:00

OH NO! Anyways....

Dertross · 2023-09-03T02:50:13+00:00

It's not money, housing, or whatever copes people are coming up with. Dirt poor people have kids. Hunter gatherers who don't have anything but what they can carry and don't even know if they'll be able to eat tomorrow have kids.
The answer is incredibly simple and understood by analogy: would YOU want to gestate a massive shit for 9 months and have to shit it out? Children aren't feces but the process is similar enough the answer is obvious.
Women had children historically because they had to. The male equivalent of a woman refusing to marry/children would be a (low class) male refusing to work. No one is going to take care of you if you don't benefit them in some way. In modern times, women don't have such a social contract to uphold because they can pay their own bills and the government provides reasonable amounts of physical protection.

Over_North8884 · 2023-09-02T20:48:31+00:00

In the long term, a fertility crisis is good. The world is overpopulated anyway.

kitterkatty · 2023-09-02T22:44:03+00:00

Josh Wolf knows why

BackAgain12345678910 · 2023-09-03T05:44:21+00:00

Don’t mess with nature. If you do, these are the consequences.

diaryofalostgirl · 2023-09-03T19:55:04+00:00

Your source is the Daily Fail?

IDGAF about America's fertility anyway. It would behoove us to have fewer but better-planned children.

silentmmgh · 2023-09-03T20:14:25+00:00

Who cares, contribute to the best of your ability, enjoy life and go back to the dirt like everyone else

Moon-on-my-mind · 2023-09-04T00:38:34+00:00

I mean, even if i had access to a surogate or an artificial womb, i still don't want a kid if it means i have to parent, work, do house duties, and all in between that life requires. The economy doesn't help at all, it is impossible to juggle everything, even if my husband were to be very hands on parenting as well. Both parents having to work themselves to the bone just to survive with a child, to give them the minimum required, it sounds so so sad.

It is not worth it. My pain and lifetime side effects from pregnancy and birth are not worth it. ME, I, as a person, cease to exist, since everything will revolve around the kid. My dreams, my passions, my hobbies, my free time, will all cease to exist. Us as a loving couple will cease to be that, we will exist and endure through parenting until we are fed up with each other and old.

Simply put, there are 10000 cons to having a kid, and like... 1 or 2 pro's. I personally, as a woman, would gladly and readily fly off 8th floor if ever forced to carry and birth. No second thoughts. I feel deep pain for the women in places like america or poland.

ignitedwolf9200 · 2023-09-02T21:51:29+00:00

Love that for them

Jiren__The__Gray · 2023-09-03T02:20:06+00:00

If you don’t want to be a parent, you likely wouldn’t have been a good one, you’re making the right choice to let your genetic line stop here

Chokeman · 2023-09-03T02:25:20+00:00

Just import more immigrants. Problem solved

md8716 · 2023-09-03T09:10:35+00:00

As a kid haver, this is great news. A lot of inherited wealth going to genetic dead ends will usually evaporate into spending into the economy. Can't take it with you, after all.

Educated, wealthy breeders will seek out other educated wealthy breeders and combine their family's collective wealth. The dead ends will spend it all off and die with no next of kin, and be replaced demographically with working class immigrants.

As a result of investing in the mindless consumerism of childfree dead ends, there's opportunities to become even more rich and powerful while ensuring the survival of your family through the generations.

Adding00 · 2023-09-03T00:11:15+00:00

Not surprised. Between rising inflation and cost of living, blue collar jobs not being done, not to mention this weird gender war between men and women, it's a wonder stats aren't much higher. The rates are probably much worse in Japan. They're starting co-op in schools. No more keeping boys and girls apart to facilitate child rearing ( same sex coupling isn't helping ) . This is why many societies and cultures keep pushing traditional social roles. The human population will literally be on the decline.

daddysgotanew · 2023-09-03T04:47:00+00:00

Kids are a luxury for the rich and a paycheck for the poor. There’s really no in between. The middle class (if you want to call it that) gets fucked again.

On top of that most women don’t find most men attractive. It’s going to be a long, hard brutal road back down the bottom. Society’s best years are behind her.

relish5k · 2023-09-03T13:07:01+00:00

Well congratulations liberalism (and more specifically, liberal feminism) you did it.

It’s been what, about 50 years of telling people that all choices are equally valid, and that the self and self actualization is all that matters. And now no one is having the babies anymore because it fucking suuuuucks a lot of the time and it’s hard and makes us feel bad and takes away from being our most awesome selves all the time.

We are literally girl bossing our way into a fertility crisis.

Honorable mention goes to the right for consistently treating women like shit , and making sure that the the arduous and monotonous domestic labor of childrearing and housekeeping stays forever under-appreciated.

Particular_Quit_4203 · 2023-09-03T05:32:21+00:00

Doctors are not the only people who have something to worry about. No people no business.

Oh come on.. 1 in 10 men? Seriously? That ALWAYS been, in facts it's been like 3 out 10 men forever. Not all men have the genetics to attract women and lets not forget the die hard gay men.

Love how they call it a fertility crisis like men and women are not biologically capable and that's one of if not the biggest reason for the over 50 years of steady birth rate decline.

The ONLY way they birth rate can recover is if laws and courts change where men and women equally have to pay for their poor choices and mistakes. Till then men, well at least the smart ones will stay the fuck away from women. BUT there will always be a pool of young dumb and full of cum men out there for women to prey on. The key is to get to them before they swallow the Red Pill.

UNFAIR to men courts and the BAD women who get men dragged into these unfair courts. It's not that all women are bad its that all women can unfairly drag men into courtrooms and this SCARES the shit out of men so much they stay away from ANY kind of relationships with a woman. Some men and I'm talking about physically attractive men keep their penises to themselves even though they can get laid EASILY!
Like women saying they don't need men, well, men don't need women. Where once men and women needed each other to make a physically healthy living environment just to stay healthy/living now will modern marvels men can stay healthy/alive all by themselves.

FixDifficult752 · 2023-09-02T20:49:23+00:00

Why should American men have children with westernized American women?. Please provide a reason.

RonMexico432 · 2023-09-03T02:34:30+00:00

There's just as many female virgins out there. Guys are ever the fuccing victims about sex.

LegitimateAd656 · 2023-09-02T20:40:30+00:00

Use your passport

mnt68 · 2023-09-02T21:22:57+00:00

I predict it will be way worse than Japan’s population crisis. There’s much less pressure from relatives on young American women to pursue traditional family. And way more sexual freedom culturally, and way more use of birth control.

Nope, we’re going back to caveman days, with only the top males in the village having sex with females. Only the women so desperate to be moms will stop birth control to add the additional stress of single motherhood just to have something genuine to love in their lives.

If you are a tall, attractive, young, somewhat wealthy, alpha male right now your sexual future will be like rock stars of the 1970s. You’re not going to have enough days in the week to accept all the free sex thrown your way.

That’s not an environment that sustains in country’s population or create any happiness for anyone.

Autumnlove57 · 2023-09-08T02:20:54+00:00

Defo. OMG, what a plot twist, right? I mean, I get it, things aren't cheap anymore, but the way people look at starting a fam is legit terrifying these days. It's like a horror movie.

With all this tech and online dating stuff, plus life getting pricier by the minute, I bet the 30s group in the next gen is gonna be like 3/10. And that's just me being optimistic.

Adept-Emphasis4104 · 2023-09-02T23:27:09+00:00

Sounds like Darwin awards. People who don’t want kids don’t have them and the ones who do end up making kids more resilient to social pressures.

Haigro · 2023-09-02T23:50:27+00:00

I don't believe the economic argument because previous generations have had it worse than we have. The difference is people no longer value marriage and see having a family as optional and even hate the idea of raising a child - aka cultural decline.

lowlifedougal · 2023-09-03T10:28:33+00:00

The cynical attitude towards the biological imperative to progeny is bizarre . So much so its just as bad as the ultra conservatives that want children for the sake of children.

I find it strange that soo many people are against the perpetuation of life, yet are sitting here breathing, eating and consuming because their forefather give them the opportunity to exist. Yet no one is killing themselves in mass. Surely this belief system of non-reproduction has to lead to suicidal ideation and a nihilistic view on life . To consume existence knowing you will fade into nothingness and simultaneously intentionally advocating against progeny does not seem logical to me

But i suspect, that only small amount of people are that gun-hoe about being childfree. This makes me think this childfree thing and the rationale behind it is some sort of ‘cope’ on a massive scale . So rather than actually wanting to be childfree, they actually just dont have the opportunity to have children . And this childfree thing is just a smokescreen for “lack of opportunity” or a ‘cop’ing mechanism. For women, this lack of opportunity is not finding an “ideal” mate likely through internal hypergamous scarcity which is worsen by. social media. For men , this lack of opportunity comes in the form of not being to mate at all and therefore not being able to procreate

Having children is vital for social welfare. Without the productivity of the masses the aging population has no one to subsidize them in their unproductive years . That means a lower standard of living

night-time_coffee · 2023-09-03T00:47:36+00:00

If polygamy was allowed we could avoid such troubles , but no let’s follow some ancient christianity morals

All economic and masculinity and dating stuff …etc would be solved if rich attractive guys could impregnate women and give them maidens to take cate of them , at the end everything has its trade-off you can’t have it all , if you don’t have the bulls to address this issue call out feminism and suggest solution your society will fucked up

Patriarchal societies who limit women freedom and their access to financial stability and ban abortion such as Afghanistan and some african countries will continue to exist and as much as i hate this but its the truth

basedmama21 · 2023-09-03T17:45:29+00:00

Thanks radical feminists and birth control 🙄

Pathosgrim · 2023-09-02T21:39:59+00:00

Thanks to Feminism as well as all of the various policies over decades which gradually atrophied the middle class

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Lovemelikeareptile1 · 2023-09-03T20:30:00+00:00

There are way too many mother fuckers already.

the_fozzy_one · 2023-09-03T21:41:31+00:00

Japanese comedian Meshida has a video where he analyzes why marriage collapsed in Japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ksgtVyvsqw

He ends up with an unintentional red-pilled (I doubt he even knows what red pill is) take:

Young women chase after rich Chads
Once they hit the wall, they try to get Billy Beta to wife them up
Billy Beta declines because he wants to marry a younger woman

Weird-Hovercraft6882 · 2023-09-04T00:43:58+00:00

The car is out of the bag. We either repeal the 19th amendment or we go there.

betanoire · 2023-09-04T01:26:16+00:00

We're already there.

dabirds1994 · 2023-09-04T02:36:22+00:00

Kids are a lot of work and require sacrifice…that pretty much sums up the reasons. Whether it’s sacrificing financially or personally, that’s about it IMO. And I’m considering health reasons as a personal sacrifice.

_Remember_me_not_ · 2023-09-04T09:39:48+00:00

This will have very interesting results.

For one, the more conservative people and community would continue to thrive due to their conservative values of religious beliefs and societal norms. This will be more pronounced in immigrant groups such as the Mexicans, the Africans, the Arabs, the Easter European and Asian. Most likely the conservative White and Black Americans would also continue to thrive.

However, the neo liberals and the socialists who are the champions of new fads such as childless life, M.A.I.D. and free drug use etc., would slowly delete themselves from the genepool.

This may also be the reason why the neo liberals and neo marxists are so desperate to brainwash the children because they know, they will sooner or later be replaced completely at this rate.

The situation in South Korea and Japan is also interesting because until and unless the government intervenes heavily to incentivise having children, their society will soon become too old to self sustain without external help.

We are already witnessing the situation in China where the fertility rate is not recovering despite various attempts by CCP to force people to have more children.

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