Inspired by this post which claims that the average guy who wants a childless, non-fat woman has "extremely high standards", and many other comments on social media expressing a similar sentiment.
I'll start with an example- say we have an average guy called Joe. Joe is a 20-year old, upper-middle class, average-looking guy attending a liberal arts college. He calls himself average because he is pretty average. His dating market primarily consists of middle-class/upper middle-class college women around his age range, and among these women, 100% are young, 90% aren't fat and 99% don't have kids (because as it turns out, obesity statistics are very skewed by demographics, and so is motherhood).
So for Joe, wanting a woman who's young, not fat, and has no kids is an absurdly low standard and quite literally the bare minimum. But when Joe goes on the internet and says this, women and male feminists will gaslight him, saying, "most women in the US are fat, and most of them are old too, so you actually have very high standards! No wonder you're single and alone."
See what's going on here? As the example also illustrates, dating markets are extremely localized by demographics, so applying population-level statistics to judge dating standards is ridiculous and nonsensical. It makes no sense to say that Joe wanting a young, childless woman is "insanely high standards", because the environment and dating market Joe is part of is entirely young and childless. Instead, it only makes sense for your standards to be evaluated against your own dating market; and since this generally consists of people similar to you, we've thus arrived at what many intuitively understand- how high your standards are should be measured by evaluating them against yourself, not against the general population.
Which brings me to my next point.
It turns out that bluepillers realize this too, so instead what they resort to- as shown in this example- is the abuse of semantics to try to shame even the bare minimum standards out of men. When the term "average man" is used, or a man calls himself average, most people rightly assume the definition of "average" in context to mean "ordinary, typical, and unremarkable" (which is one of the word's dictionary definitions)- which is exactly what Joe is. Yet bluepillers disingenuously interpret "average" as the actual mathematical average of the entire male population- an overweight, lower-middle class, middle-aged man- as a tactic to gaslight and shame men like Joe for having even the bare minimum standards.
Now of course, we could have another average guy called Bob, a twice-divorced, balding 40-year old tradesman with a beer belly. If Bob wants a young, thin woman with no kids, then of course those are very high standards. But the men voicing these standards online are overwhelmingly Joe and not Bob; so women and male feminists try to conflate Joe with Bob by bucketing them both under "average man", thus giving them permission to shame men for wanting the bare minimum.
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