CMV: choosing the bear has been detrimental to our cause.

N-Zoth · 2024-05-10T18:30:41+00:00

You picked the bear because you'd rather avoid the man.

I picked the bear because I like bears.

We are not the same.

reignoferror00 · 2024-05-10T20:26:33+00:00

"not led to the outcomes we'd have liked"

Immediate First thought to that is "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes". For the gender that seems to nitpick about words, phrasing, tone and intent, you sure don't practice what you preach. The tiniest bit of logic and forethought should have seen men's possible responses miles away. Shitting on men has moved from a light hobby to a pastime for all too many.

Second thought regards "... fix your shit men!" - what makes you think your average man, for the most part, has that much power???? And even the rare cases where they might, why would they risk their health and possible life for a stranger who usually has somewhere between indifference to contempt for him?

guppyhunter7777 · 2024-05-10T18:53:28+00:00

Again, with my same response. If a black guy walks into a liquor store, is it prejudice of the owner to assume that he is about to be robbed? Lots of those stories exist. Lots of liquor stores have been knocked over. Is it fair to pre-judge all Black people by this or does it make you racist?

Is it fair to assume that every Muslim you meet is a suicide bomber?

Is it fair to assume every woman that I meet over 6 foot is either a volleyball player or a basketball player?

This question attempting to call out men simply points out the most widespread Accepted. and defended prejudice in our society today?

8won6 · 2024-05-10T19:53:41+00:00

the whole topic became a temperature check to see which men were simps and panderers openly.

NalkaNalka · 2024-05-10T19:26:23+00:00

"Hey, shit is bad out here, fix your shit men!"

The men you are yelling at have no more in common with a rapist or a murderer than you do. It's not "their shit", it's got no more to do with them than it does with you.

That is why this type of shit never works. It's garden variety bigotry that only serves to attack the innocent members of the other group and turn them against you.

Scarce12 · 2024-05-10T20:29:51+00:00

Has our answer accomplished it's mission? Maybe a little, but it has caused another problem: we now just look silly. They're coming away thinking, "Was what they were saying about women and logic right all along"

Not silly, but hateful.

It confirms the opinion that women hate men.

ppvremsleep · 2024-05-10T18:30:54+00:00

Half the women I know hop on nice boats with guys they might not even know, go to parties invited by guys they don’t know and do drugs. Get on a dating app, have a few drinks and head back to his house with a guy they just met to smoke weed and fuck. Some run around town even at night jogging and walking. They aren’t that afraid of men.

If they were within 50 ft of a grizzly bear that started coming towards them, girls would shit their pants and hope a man would come to save them.

untamed-italian · 2024-05-10T19:08:47+00:00

The question was a trap to make us look unhinged

The question was made by a woman ffs

Why is it never a possibility that you are unhinged? Who invented this "trap" if not the woman who originally posted it and all the women who made it go viral?

The women who answered on the spot with "Bear" meant well, but put us on a path that we can no longer get off of.

You can get off it at any time lol, you just have to admit fault and take accountability.

Saying anything other than Bear makes you a Pick Me now.

Jfc

You are only a Pick Me by dishonestly portraying yourself for men's attention. By this definition anyone who picked Bear in order to get men's attention is a REAL Pick Me.

The purpose of answering "Bear" was to convey just how terrifying it is to be a woman in today's world

Do feminists not understand the concept of diminishing returns?

It is increasingly disturbing that you believe this needs to be reiterated. We all know being anyone in today's society is scary. We all know there are women who have totally unmoderated fear of men. No awareness was spread by any of this.

I wish the answers given were, "The fact that you have to even ask that question shows how dire things are out here."

Nobody ever had to ask the question. The question was invented and spread by WOMEN. So why are you blaming anyone else for asking it?

It's about how "Bear" has not led to the outcomes we'd have liked.

It hasn't? The intent appeared to be to communicate to men that we will be feared and hated in perpetuity by a certain kind of woman. Seems to have worked to me!

Unhappy_Offer_1822 · 2024-05-10T18:47:15+00:00

I mean I just wouldn't want to be stuck in a forest to begin with. I guess if I was though I would rather it be the man since he's probably most likely not native to the woods and trying to get out of there too

Dertross · 2024-05-10T20:14:56+00:00

The purpose of answering "Bear" was to convey just how terrifying it is to be a woman in today's world. It was to say, "Hey, shit is bad out here, fix your shit men!". No one knew it would blow up like it did, and now it's too late - we have to own this position.

Yeah and that's really fucking stupid, because society is about as good to women as it could possibly be without more overt dystopian surveillance or thought policing. It amounts to crying fire is hot or the night is dark. We've done as much as we can but criminals will always exist.

So even in your own justification for choosing 'bear', you STILL make women look unhinged.

"The fact that you have to even ask that question shows how dire things are out here."

Things are not dire. Stop crying wolf. Yes there is probably a wolf somewhere out there. We have done our best to remove them. The 'I choose bear!' demonstrates that your intelligence -is worth calling into question- and therefore the general assertion that -you- made stupid choices to be go to the wolves is a valid consideration.

The typical response from women is "stop victim blaming! what if it was family or they were a child, then there's no way her decisions let her avoid it!" which brings us back to the original point: we've done our best to eradicate wolves and it is not reasonable or feasible to demand us non-wolf men to somehow do better.

Electric_Death_1349 · 2024-05-10T18:28:54+00:00

If you are genuinely terrified of men to the point where you’re seriously rather be alone with a wild animal, then you are unhinged; however, 99.9% of the women who smugly answer “Bear” to that particular question would shit themselves and beg every known deity to send a man to save them were they actually alone in the wild with a bear in the general vicinity. So rather than making you look “unhinged”, it’s made you look childish, immature, juvenile, unserious and spiteful - however, I would argue that it has NOT been detrimental to your “cause” because we all knew that to be the case to begin with. So the Great Bear Debate has made no discernible difference.

Savings_Builder_8449 · 2024-05-10T18:51:25+00:00

it is a "i dont care you're booing ive seen what makes you cheer" moment. i think it will definitely make men take women less seriously next time they cry wolf.

Aafan_Barbarro · 2024-05-10T18:25:04+00:00

how terrifying it is to be a woman in today's world

How exactly?

Mr__Citizen · 2024-05-10T19:25:58+00:00

The single biggest problem with the bear question is that it vilifies men in general, not just the predators.

Basically, when women have to say "not all men" whenever they answer/explain their answer, that means it's just a bad question that provokes bad answers.

Also, it was incredibly frustrating how agreeing would mean admitting to being a problem and how arguing would get me the "guess all the women you know would choose bear, huh?" There were so many women whose smug condescension was just overwhelming.

Blightning421 · 2024-05-10T21:15:12+00:00

The whole "debate" around the bear is just poorly disguised misandry

It's just another way for women to publicly shit on men for existing

kvakerok_v2 · 2024-05-10T18:55:59+00:00

Breaking News: most of you picked a bear because you are unhinged. Those of you who picked a bear are so tapped into the mainstream feminist zeitgeist that you will literally spout the most stupid unhinged bullshit AND adopt it as truth, just to fit in. THIS is the real red flag, not the bear.

It was to say, "Hey, shit is bad out here, fix your shit men!"

Yeah, nobody gives the tiniest shit about your "hidden message".

Awkward_Show_7463 · 2024-05-11T01:52:56+00:00

The point was not show how bad it is for woman. The point was to insult men. If the point was the show how bad it is for women it would have somehow made a comparison to predators not “men”.

But you are right. It did not insult men OR shine a light on the victimization of predators. It made woman look stupid.

Large_Wishbone4652 · 2024-05-10T19:49:49+00:00

Is it just me or do women tend to come up with absolutely weird questions that don't make sense?

Typical example: "would you still love me if I was a dead worm"

Denbt_Nationale · 2024-05-10T20:06:46+00:00

The purpose of answering “Bear”

Thats not how questions work. You’re just admitting that you picked the bear insincerely, of course nobody is going to be onboard with your cause if you outwardly lie to them, gaslight them for calling out your insincerity and then later tacitly admit that you were just making everything up the whole time. This is an insane way to have a discussion.

Patrickstarho · 2024-05-10T21:15:16+00:00

Women picking bear while also meeting dudes for the first time and smashing at their place like ok sis

Da_Famous_Anus · 2024-05-10T18:55:08+00:00

You had me at ‘they meant well.’ I don’t think they did mean well by answering bear.

RecreationalPorpoise · 2024-05-10T20:38:31+00:00

"The fact that you have to even ask that question shows how dire things are out here."

Except you don’t have to ask. You’re choosing to. Women are yet again choosing to create victimhood where none exists.

edgyny · 2024-05-10T18:27:38+00:00

Men already knew women are unhinged. This is more of a "you spooked yourself by looking in the mirror" moment.

JonMyMon · 2024-05-10T20:07:39+00:00

The way you’re talking is very, “their team vs our team”.

“Now it’s too late, we have to own this position.” No you don’t. You’re an individual. Instead of making a post where you talk about how you’re disappointed in how women have been acting on the internet, because it dehumanizes men, you’re still viewing it from the lens of how it effects women. You’re essentially making an argument where you’re calling out the optics of the discourse, but not the morality itself. I would have appreciated this post a lot more if you had done both.

maplehobo · 2024-05-10T21:35:53+00:00

The purpose of answering "Bear" was to convey just how terrifying it is to be a woman in today's world. It was to say, "Hey, shit is bad out here, fix your shit men!". No one knew it would blow up like it did, and now it's too late - we have to own this position.

If this was your purpose then no wonder you failed spectacularly. Like it really boggles my mind how women actually believe this. “In today’s world” bitch have you any fucking clue what the world was like 50 years ago?. You failed to convey the message because the message is completely detached from reality.

Keep_Forever666 · 2024-05-10T23:00:43+00:00

I wish the question would have been “bear or *insert race* man” in the forrest just to watch the wokesters heads explode when they have to choose between a bear or a minority.

UranusJohnson · 2024-05-11T00:34:36+00:00

Also the bear was an awful choice for this.

What this trend did more was make a lot of women look really dumb.

Better choice would be a pack of wolves or even a tiger/lion/or LITERALLY anything other predator.

Bears are omnivores, they don't have a kill instinct before eating their prey the way predators do. If a bear will eat you, they will won't kill you first, you're getting your leg eaten while you're a live.

All the while a lot of women are like "oh yea I'd choose the bear, because at least the bear wouldn't rape me." FAIR enough for literally any other predator, a wolf will kill you, it'd be really painful from a pack of wolves, the tiger would kill you quick and same with lion, but a bear will fucking torture you bro. Yeah go look up leaked images of people even being ripped apart by pitbulls that aren't trying to eat them, imagine that from a bear.

Also I'm under the assumption we're assuming worst case scenario for this, I've heard women use the point thaat black bears or other bears will actually leave you alone. Ok, but most men are not rapists and murderers... if we're using the 2% of hyper aggressive men that would actually do something this evil, we're using the lowest percentage likelihood scenario with a grizzly, which is being brutally eaten alive.

EveningEveryman · 2024-05-10T19:37:41+00:00

Does it even matter? Do you really think women will have any sort of diplomatic approach? Everything the femosphere does or say is either to insult/hurt men, or for their short term self interests and women went with hurting men.

xx2Hardxx · 2024-05-10T19:47:39+00:00

Here's a thought: maybe to the 99% of normal men out there who don't go around harassing and groping women, choosing the bear is incredibly hurtful and disrespectful. Any time a man makes such sweeping generalizations about women based on the bad ones he is labeled a sexist, but when it's reversed it's totally acceptable to society.

Dorkology · 2024-05-10T18:46:48+00:00

At first, I found it to be an annoying trend of asking stupid hypothetical questions wherein people never objectively assess the ramifications of the choices being made.

Now I pay attention to it to know which women I'll absolutely keep my distance from. I very much like this question and the results that followed.

abaxeron · 2024-05-10T18:51:26+00:00

The purpose of answering "Bear" was to convey just how terrifying it is to be a woman in today's world.

Comparing to what? To men who die more of every reason except a chosen handful (but including attacks by strangers)? To 19th century? 15th century? What thing other than "a woman in today's world" have you ever been to be able to make a comparison?

DISCLAIMER: This is not about who women should choose. Let's not relitigate that. It's about how "Bear" has not led to the outcomes we'd have liked.

Don't know; I like everything.

alebruto · 2024-05-10T19:32:43+00:00

Women genuinely wouldn't choose the bear.

But the mere fact that they say yes says a lot how their minds are dominated by woke culture. They respond that they choose the bear to feel morally superior to men, and to say how men are "monsters".

However, in a real survival situation, "no" woman chooses the bear. It's easy to choose the bear by answering a stupid survey, it's difficult to choose the bear when you're in the middle of the forest and have had no food for 2 days. The woman who answered "bear" would thank God if a 2m tall man carrying a wild boar on his back appeared.

This is female cognitive dissonance.

ICU8a8 · 2024-05-10T23:44:31+00:00

Speaking as a man, this whole thing has been extremely detrimental to women’s issues. It has opened many men’s eyes to just how toxic women are towards men, how prevalent the misandry is and exactly what you think of us. This little hypothetical shows we are all regarded as rapists and murderers and is incredibly insulting. You have only alienated men further — much further.

Comparing us to wild animals and then saying we are actually worse than the wild animal has not won any converts at all. This was disastrous for male / female relations. Congrats ladies. Next time you are in danger and need a man’s help in real life, you’d better hope he wasn’t someone whose eyes were just opened. He’ll let you handle it yourself.

free_as_a_tortoise · 2024-05-11T04:02:53+00:00

It just illustrated to the world that women in their feelings can't calculate statistical probabilities, and see men as a hivemind, where each member is collectively responsible for the actions of those he has never met nor associated with.

BCRE8TVE · 2024-05-11T04:12:23+00:00

It wasn't a trap.

Women did it to themselves.

And now that it's making women look bad it has to be explained as somehow not women's fault.

This was a shining moment for feminism to come out strongly in support of men and saying "no you delusional morons, this entire bullshit question is extremely misandrist".

Except feminism didn't, it massively dropped the ball and failed men, yet again.

And then feminists wonder why they have such a bad reputation.

It's not men's fault. Men don't have to do anything. Women and feminists do it to themselves, we're just pointing it out.

If you think life is terrifying as a woman, congratulations, having a penis doesn't make men immune to fear, and paranoid delusional fear might FEEL real, but it doesn't make it not paranoid and delusional.

If women want to be taken seriously they have to stop with the whole feels before real thing. Use data and static tics, which will clearly show these women are completely delusional in their beliefs.

But y'all women chose bears, and decried anyone else choosing men as pick mes.

This is your mess to fix. Don't blame men for women's own choices. If you can't make your pont without sounding like a delusional man-hating feminist then maybe the way you argue your points is completely fucking delusional, and you should stop arguing like a delusional man-hating feminist.

Just because the delusional man-hating discourse did not lead to the desired conclusion doesn't mean it wasn't a delusional man-hating argument.

Here again women have the chance to own up to the mistake and take accountability for it, bit instead OP os somehow trying to portray women and feminists as the victims.

If youwonder why men can't take feminists and women seriously anymore this is why, and by trying to explain it away instead of recognizing the reality that is staring you in the face, you are contributing to the very problem you complain about.

Accountability really is a woman's kryptonite it seems.

Competitive-Ask4393 · 2024-05-11T05:57:50+00:00

Nah it was an attempt to call out sexual assault and abuse (which is good). But feminists do what feminists do and converted it into another “All men are monsters if they don’t do or say as I want”

It wasn’t a trap, feminists just trapped themselves.

I also find it interesting how these same women are the pro prison reform, “everyone can be rehabilitated” crowd. Anti rape but pro rehabilitating rapists is a wild stance.

Think_Day_8061 · 2024-05-10T19:15:27+00:00

No women in my real life have answered "bear". Granted, they're all a bit older than a lot of people here I imagine. So I don't think it makes women as a whole seem unhinged or anything.

But I don't think many people will say, "You picked bear? Holy shit. Rape really is bad!"

So, if that was the point I don't know if it is effective. It's funny though haha.

sixsevenrice · 2024-05-10T20:07:14+00:00

The women who picked bear fall into 2 categories.

The first category have basic human intelligence but chose the bear to piss people off. Fair enough, we do a little trollin. This is probably like 99% of them.

The second category chose the bear because she's genuinely that stupid. Good, better that she avoids the men she fears so much and not reproduce her retard genes.

tomybestself · 2024-05-10T18:55:58+00:00

Thanks for your post. I am happy to see that at least some women grasp the implications of perpetuating this whole discourse.

I would like to add another point while agreeing with your post.

Even saying "our answer shows how fucked society is, that we even consider picking a wild bear" might not be as productive as many women imagine.

To most sane and good men, this sounds like an accusation of guilt by association - "you're still indistinguishable from the worst of your kind - so much so that I'd rather be eaten alive than risk being around you".

We don't need to be reminded of the worst of our kind through this idiotic meme. And we certainly don't appreciate it being rubbed in our faces through this dramatic, exaggerated and insulting comparison.

Any thoughts?

thedarkracer · 2024-05-10T18:53:01+00:00

I thought women appreciated each others opinions as all women are not the same, so how does not picking the bear make you a pick me?

The unhinged part is something I would agree on. Taking the stats a woman is harmed based on encounters, a bear is more dangerous. A bear is more difficult to lose track of than a man as they also have good sense of smell.

To add, the bear part also seems an attack on all men, most of which don't have anything to do with the harassment you face making them think they are the perpetrators even if they did nothing wrong.

ChicoBrillo · 2024-05-10T19:08:24+00:00

Just reminding everybody that most people aren't so chronically online that discourse this silly bothers them, feel free to log off and go outside

peteypete78 · 2024-05-10T19:17:08+00:00

The government even got involved lol

https://np.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1corck2/would_you_rather_be_stuck_in_a_forest_with_a_man/

wtknight · 2024-05-10T19:39:29+00:00

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man-from-krypton · 2024-05-10T21:31:29+00:00

If your answers make you look unhinged then maybe asking the question was also unhinged to begin with.

ScreenTricky4257 · 2024-05-10T23:05:38+00:00

One of the best things you could do as a woman is to say, "Men, it's OK if you don't like that women chose the bear. Being upset doesn't mean you're the reason women chose the bear. If anything, it probably means that you're just as upset at the bad men who cause women to be afraid as we are. Let's join together to make things better for both sexes."

all_is_love6667 · 2024-05-10T23:34:40+00:00

Maybe it shows that women are generally afraid of men because of some past experience related to sexual harassment, or some other reasons, which might be generalized and widespread.

That fear being legitimate or not, doesn't matter, that fear just exists, and that needs to be acknowledged.

It's the same thing with fear of dogs: if you are bit as a kid or even as an adult, you will always fear dogs.

If every woman experiment one form of sexual harassement committed by a minority of men, women will probably feel all men are rapists until proven othewise.

It's not really a legitimate fear, fear is not rational reasoning, it's a defense mechanism, so I understand their answer about bears, even if it's obviously ridiculous.

Maybe in nature, male homo sapiens are always supposed to make women feel safe? And if they don't, women will just be scared of men, by default.

Why not, after all?

treadmarks · 2024-05-10T18:25:05+00:00

What mission? The person who posed that question was on a mission to troll, spread hate, and create more resentment between men and women. So, a typical feminist. Mission accomplished.

One-Preference7122 · 2024-05-10T19:17:58+00:00

People on this subreddit have made me realise lots more people need to walk into the woods alone, it'd do a lot of good for humanity.

That being said if you don't carry a gun into the woods, you're an absolute dumbass.

purplish_possum · 2024-05-10T21:23:21+00:00

Women in "today's world" are safer than at any other time in history.

purplepillparadox · 2024-05-10T19:41:13+00:00

Lol, after 'Kill All Men', mansplaining, manspreading, man everything.
It's the dehumanizing comparison of 'man vs bear' that broke the camels back?

Y'all are unhappy and want men to make you happy, but that's impossible, because you will never be happy.

TotalTravesty · 2024-05-10T18:43:52+00:00

Well the best answer to that question would be to not answer the question. The second best answer would be to ask clarifying questions (What kind of bear? Who’s the man?).

The worst answer is anything you contrive to look good for anonymous internet weirdos. Guess what: people who hate you are going to find a way to hate you no matter what you say, so you might as well always speak your mind and stand on that business.

Independent-Pause638 · 2024-05-10T20:26:30+00:00

I think I'm the only person who didn't pick the bear.

There's a possibility of winning a fight with a man. Slim chance but still a chance.

I have no chance of winning a fight with a bear.

VWGUYWV · 2024-05-10T19:20:50+00:00

Modern lefties are very easy to manipulate, but your hubris is the cause and prevents the cure.

I’m a former leftie and now an independent.

This is just like the signs on campuses that say

Muslims are right about women

Or

It’s okay to be white

Or

How 4chan admitted to tricking you into thinking the OK hand sign is a racist gesture, you believed it, it was revealed as a joke, and half of you still believe it and don’t know that. A Jeopardy winner was attacked for it.

Or

How corporations looked at Occupy and the general mistrust of them by lefties and they said “I know, we’ll just get in bed with with democrat politicians, pay at least lip service to the DEI thing, and hang some pride flags on corporate offices”. And half of you bought it and now defend these corporations while they do basically what they did before.

Or

They import cheap labor to drive down the cost of labor. But then they say “if you don’t like illegal immigrants streaming into this country then you are racist and hate brown people.” And you fall for it.

Modern liberals believe what they do in part because it makes you feel like a good and smart person without actually doing anything or knowing anything. At its core there is a rot of pure lazy.

Contrapuntobrowniano · 2024-05-10T20:28:13+00:00

Well, if that was the objective, let me tell you the reality: there was not a chance for that shit show to succeed in anything. If i went "i would rather stop breathing than using the internet" on social media people wouldn't see me as a super resilent human being that its aginst social media's dominance (with exception of other dumbasses like me), rather like some immature not realistic person that makes ridiculous claims about serious matters while also lying in everyone's face by using social media. Its just how things work.

the_calibre_cat · 2024-05-10T21:02:14+00:00

The women who answered on the spot with "Bear" meant well, but put us on a path that we can no longer get off of. Saying anything other than Bear makes you a Pick Me now.

with sympathy to my sisters in humanity, this was already the case for any dude who wasn't an incel/red pill/conservative piece of shit who nevertheless but understandably felt attacked by a meme that effectively relegated every male human being to less than worthless.

don't object, otherwise you're one of them, you know, the shitty dudes.

i have a desire to find my very tiny violin and play a sad song on it for you

DivisiveUsername · 2024-05-10T21:43:01+00:00

I think the level people are taking this discussion to is a bit over the top. I think both the women who die-hard defend the bear are hysterical, but I also think some people are leaping to conclusions that the question does not imply and maybe are a bit too upset about it in general.

First, the chances of being hurt when you are stuck in the woods with a bear or a man is minimal. 99% of bear encounters do not result in being mauled. Yes, bears are much more likely to seriously hurt you, and much more dangerous than men, so if the goal is to reduce the likelihood of physical harm, you should choose the man. A random man in most situations will not harm you, and the risk is negligible compared to a bear.

But women choose the bear because it is less psycologically threatening. A bear is not targeting you specifically. We consider bears to just act as nature dictates, which seems random. If you get mauled it’ll be taken as an unlucky break. While other people hurting you will make you reconsider the decisions that led your bad result. Even though logically the man is less likely to hurt you.

I can try and make an imperfect analogous question — if you were stuck in a desert, would you rather be driven out of it by a man with a history of many violent assaults on random people or a woman who has falsely accused someone of rape? The physical risk of the man is much greater, both in probability (many people vs one person) and in level of physical harm, but the latter has a worse psychological impact.

SleepyPoemsin2020 · 2024-05-10T22:03:22+00:00

Do you really honestly think the bear question has done anything *other* than give people on either side of an issue something to talk about? Do you really think it has caused any significant number of people to change their minds on anything? People who are going to conclude that "women" are unhinged as a result of many women, including the original women, answering "bear" were already sitting around crowing about how men are superior.

envious1998 · 2024-05-10T22:04:55+00:00

The whole thing just strikes me as the kind of mental activity you engage in when you’re largely out of real world things to fight for. You talk about how dangerous it is for women but women, especially gen z women, are the safest and most privileged group of women to ever walk the earth. They’re doing better than their male counterparts in every statistical category that matters and yet they seem to have an unmatched disdain for male existence.

You’re simply out of real issues to litigate so you made some up instead.

ParadoxicalFrog2 · 2024-05-11T00:05:11+00:00

"The women who answered on the spot with "Bear" meant well"

Did they, did they really? Seems like they meant to shit on men while jerking each other off, mission accomplished.

"The purpose of answering "Bear" was to convey just how terrifying it is to be a woman in today's world."

Women are safer than men by almost all measurable metrics. Just because you are terrified, doesn't mean that you are in any particular danger.

It was to say, "Hey, shit is bad out here, fix your shit men!".

Statistically, women are the ones who are solf on crime, maybe you should work on that. How exactly do you expect men to "fix their shit" besides trowing criminals in jail? WTF are we supposed to do? What specific steps is Bob from accounting supposed to take to "fix men's shit"? Can you "fix women's shit"? How about you fix women's shit and show us how it's done?

gntlbastard · 2024-05-11T01:32:15+00:00

I want everyone to observe the absolute lack of accountability. Nope it wasn't the whamens choice....it was the question designed to make you look unhinged.

THEbeautifuLIE · 2024-05-11T03:13:36+00:00

To any reasonable, balanced feminine women who genuinely desire clarity on this from the masculine perspective (we absolutely adore you, by the way), here’s why “Man vs Bear” was doomed from the first tweet:

(1.) Rapists don’t care. Did anyone think there was a revolting, evil scumbag of a coward assaulter sitting at home going, “Wow! Women feel safer with a random bear in the woods than with 1 of us?? Maybe raping them isn’t a good thing after all.”?? Absurd. . .which is why #2 hits so hard:

(2.) The inexhaustibly-overwhelming majority of men (WHO DO NOT RAPE OR ASSAULT WOMEN) caught all the shrapnel. “We’re not saying it’s all men—“ & you can stop right there b/c that doesn’t factor into any other conflict, experience, group, individual, etc. Not only do you not use that same logic to stay away from women ((a revolting amount of whom are pedophiles, murderers, thieves, liars, abusers (physically, mentally, emotionally), statutory rapists, drug users/abusers, manipulators, sex traffickers, etc)), but you also never afford men any grace when we talk about avoiding these disgusting women (refusing to approach them in public, refusing to exercise at gyms where women are allowed to “run wild”, refusing to hire, work with, train or meet privately with them on the job, opposed to them being involved in our sports/miscellaneous activities, etc.). Somehow, in those cases, men are just being “toxic”, “weird”, “chauvinistic”, “misogynistic”, “(whatever homophobic slur they think will hurt men’s feelings the most at the time)”, “small D energy”, etc & are looking for an excuse to oppress women. Yet, we’re supposed to reasonably accept the notion that women can be feverishly petrified of every human on the planet with the XY chromosome b/c some bad guys did some bad things to some women. . . #UnfairlyUnreasonable

(3.) Modern women show (yet again) that they don’t understand masculine security &/or protection. Nothing EARNS protection without giving up some level of control. You can’t go to a public swimming pool after hours, drunk, diving in the ‘no diving’ zone, horse-playing around the wet deck area until you slip, hurt yourself & nearly drown. . .then wonder, “Where tf is the lifeguard?? He’s supposed to save me when I need help!!” No - you broke all the rules & no longer qualified for his protection. Modern women like to call men every “controlling”, “manipulative” term they can come up with when we express our standards of expectation. We can’t tell you a safer time to ‘party’, a safer event to attend (or avoid), a safer side of town to frequent (or avoid), a safer group of people (women included) to associate with, a safer (typically more modest) manner of attire, a safer perspective regarding your inebriation while out & engaging in recreational activities; we can’t tell you anything in any effort to prevent a potentially hazardous experience. ”Don’t tell me what to wear - tell all men to never rape or abuse any woman ever! Don’t tell me to come home before 3:00 am - tell all men to never rape or abuse any woman ever! Don’t tell me not to put my hands on any man - tell all men to never EVER hit any woman for any reason whatsoever!” Masculine Men aren’t your on-call attack dogs that can flip their masculinity off & on solely when it best suits your current mood. We don’t work like that; never have. lol

(4.) [[possibly the most poignant]] Men will never Ever EVER! engage about genuine issues that need a sincere resolution from plaguing any individual or group. . .at the expense of logic, objectivity & reason. This “bear vs man” thing never had a chance. There is no rational perspective whatsoever that would drive any sane person to believe they are better off 1-on-1 with a bear in his natural habitat than with a man; which means this was an attempt to get attention <<— & I don’t say that condescendingly. You have to gain attention for issues that are important to you, but this immediately became a viral temper tantrum for deliriously-hysterical individuals to exercise more animosity (& outright misandry) towards men. You cannot punk, shame, demonize or scare men into adopting your perspective. We aren’t built like that, THANKFULLY! Masculinity protects femininity. . .not simply “females”. Modern women challenge us at every turn, argue every exception to every rule, refuse to alter or adjust their lives in ANY manner to better receive the security that masculine men can, do & always have provided. . .& think a sensationally-senseless viral tantrum is going to ensure the blindly-loyal protection you believe men owe you? The OP represents this point exceptionally by stating that the purpose of all this was to say “. . .fix your shit men!”

Men have never been as evil as many modern women desperately try to portray. . .& not nearly as weak as many modern women desperately want to believe.

CarAlternative1801 · 2024-05-11T05:07:58+00:00

Yeah, thats what I have learned. That women be silly and exaggerate. Its gonna be hard to take them seriously after this. I’m just picturing women hikers in the forest all running and hiding anytime a male hiker approaches as if he were a bear😂. But that doesn’t actually happen, so this whole choosing bear thing is such an exaggeration, that I now feel stupid for ever taking them seriously.

Necessary-Ask-3619 · 2024-05-11T06:39:25+00:00

It was to say, "Hey, shit is bad out here, fix your shit men!".

That would be as acceptable as us men saying "Hey, shit is bad out here, fix your shit women" would be to you all, regarding so many female-on-male issues.

"Was what they were saying about women and logic right all along?".

Yes.

Statistically, I am more likely to be a victim of violent crime than a woman is. Women are more likely for some crimes like rape or SA but overall it's men. Apparently it doesn't matter because the perp is likely to be a male. This is the argument women have been making. That how terrified we are should depend not on how likely I am to be a victim of violent crime but rather on gender of the perp. The more I heard that argument from so many women, the more I am convinced that either women are illogical or they leave all logic when it comes to men.

You know what convinces me that women are not logical? Saying stuff like "Teach men not to rape". Thinking you answering bear is gonna change any rapists mind in any way. Thinking it's victim blaming when we ask you all to take precautions.

The people who you should be worried of (rapists, murderers, criminals) etc are irrational. They cannot be reasoned with. No amount of "Rape is bad" is going to stop them from their attempts. Yet so so many women have made that argument.

If I didn't lock my doors at night and was robbed, I wouldn't argue "Teach people not to rob. You are victim blaming me if you ask why I didn't lock the door".

Dankutoo · 2024-05-11T11:39:33+00:00

"The question was a trap to make us look unhinged."

Nah, you just are unhinged.

ryandiy · 2024-05-11T12:13:13+00:00

It was to say, "Hey, shit is bad out here, fix your shit men!"

I've literally warned women to stay away from a specific man who has gone to jail for violence against women, then watched them pursue that man, and later complain about badly he treated them and other women.

But when I dare to say that women need to be personally responsible for their own safety rather than expecting men to make the world 100% safe, they respond that I must be one of the problematic men that is inspiring them to choose the bear. Or that I want women to be assaulted.

The unhinged bullshit coming from women in this discussion is doing nothing to make the world safer, but is definitely alienating men who aren't actually part of the problem.

CringeButCorrect · 2024-05-10T19:46:55+00:00

I have lots of opinions on this, but I'll just lay out my responses to stuff I've heard

The fact that we even have to discuss this shows how hard it is for women

No, it shows us that humanity has found a new method of stupidity

I'd pick the bear

No you wouldn't. If you go out, you probably walk across dozens of random men every day. Of a bear was on the sidewalk you wouldn't just walk past it.

I'd pick the bear if it was just me in the forest.

Dumbass. And again no you wouldn't. But if you are the type, you'd probably change your mind after the first fatal wound.

Men have hurt more women than bears!

The same applies to nuclear explosions.

apresonly · 2024-05-10T18:40:06+00:00

i dont think the woman who answered "meant" well

I think she was asked a question and gave her answer.

Has our answer accomplished it's mission?

again, i dont think the woman had a "mission" she didn't know it was going to go viral, just like the guy who asked the question didn't.

Flightlessbirbz · 2024-05-10T23:14:58+00:00

It’s shown a lot of ugliness on both sides tbh. I personally probably wouldn’t pick the bear (depending on the particular way the question is worded), but I don’t think women who do are crazy. They just have had more bad experiences with men than bears, so that’s the knee-jerk response. I also think men really should be doing some reflection on why women are picking the bear instead of immediately getting butthurt, but once again, I understand why it’s upsetting to them. All I know is it’s really time for this trend to die already.

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throwaway164_3 · 2024-05-10T23:13:21+00:00

to convey just how terrifying it is to be a woman in today's world

It is far easier to be a woman in todays world in developed countries.

They are the privileged sex, especially when it comes to sex, relationships and dating (which is the focus of this subreddit).

WANT_SOME_HAM · 2024-05-11T00:22:38+00:00

If it makes you feel any better, I just woke up one morning to see everyone talking about this as if Jesus Himself personally put a survey card in my mailbox, and the only reason I kept mumbling "what the fuck are you lunatics talking about?" is because I don't know a mailbox, because mailboxes are for Communists.

I kept waiting for this bizarre and stupid non-debate to blow over, but it's been over a week now, so I guess we'll be talking about this forever. I therefore wisely elected to join the debate despite not knowing what the Hell was going on, because I don't recall ever saying I was intelligent.

Anyway, for some reason I assumed the original question was "would you rather encounter a man or a bear in an enclosed room", like a police interrogation or something. Why? Because I'm dumb as shit. That's why.

And I left multiple replies in multiple threads in multiple subreddits criticizing this survey--which I still have not read, mind you--for not specifying the dimensions of the room this confrontation takes place in.

My point is that, unless your "cause" is statehood for American Samoa, it is mathematically impossible to look dumber than I have this past week.

tarred_and_feathered · 2024-05-11T00:36:38+00:00

I absolutely will not own another woman’s position… 🙄

Tokimonatakanimekat · 2024-05-11T01:03:23+00:00

And what would be the cause?

Teflon08191 · 2024-05-11T01:05:50+00:00

The purpose of answering "Bear" was to convey just how terrifying it is to be a woman in today's world.

Today's world is safer for western women than perhaps any time in all of human history so you can understand why men might roll their eyes and/or dismiss as a cosmological constant women conveying how terrifying it is and seemingly always will be to be women.

we now just look silly

Yep!

Franc3n35d · 2024-05-11T01:19:47+00:00

I think this is a great thought experiment. Whether you wanna say people are right or wrong, there's a good amount of women that believe a random man is more dangerous than a bear. The goal should've been to explore why that is and what can be done to remedy this. I think both men and women should work together for it.

However, it became a pissing match with each side trying to show how dumb the other side is instead of showing why they chose the answer they chose. We also failed when we refused to accept the other's assessment.

Women don't feel safe around the random man according to the responses. Don't debate it, just leave it at that. This is the outcome and we must accept it and learn how to remedy it.

At the same time, to say that a man shouldn't be offended feels insensitive to me. I mean, the fact that I have a Y chromosome means you fear me more than a bear off the jump? I get that your safety trumps my feelings, but I feel like I'm entitled to feel a certain type of way about that without judgement. I got offended at first because I can understand that while a woman wouldn't want to cross my path if given the chance not to, the fact that she would choose a bear gave me a very engaging and confusing knee jerk reaction. Then I listened to their stories and reasoning. Many harped that they don't hate men and actually thought men should choose bear for their own safety as well. Seeing that explanation as well as sympathy really opened my eyes

Clavicymbalum · 2024-05-11T01:20:05+00:00

While I do agree with your observation that answering "bear" is both totally unhinged and a proof of very poor logic (let alone understanding of mathematics/statistics)… and thus reflects very badly on those who do say bear or those who retroactively try to pseudo-justify that blatantly sexist, stupid and unhinged answer…

…I don't get that line here:

Saying anything other than Bear makes you a Pick Me now

Wut? You're a free person. If your in-group bias is so overbearing and toxic as to make it impossible for you as an individual to freely choose what's right and you are instead shamed into sticking with the unhinged answer just because it of how it gained traction within the group … then maybe what you need to start to question even much more than that stupid "bear" answer is that toxic normative compulsion of your in-group dynamic and bias, both in principle and in its consequences

TopEntertainment4781 · 2024-05-11T01:21:38+00:00

It was a thought experiment.

bsmith440 · 2024-05-11T01:38:21+00:00

I completely understand your post and agree with part of it. I know this was meant to start a conversation about the way women feel in spaces alone with men, but where is that conversation supposed to lead? What do you expect the average married/taken/single man to do about the issue? I've never met a man that admitted or encourage assault on women. If I see something, I will say or do something but no one has the responsibility of protecting someone. So what is the whole goal of the conversation?

child0light · 2024-05-11T04:15:36+00:00

Reading this title makes me lol. What a phenomenon. Ultimately this is another tool to get people to move along and find someone who's better for you. Woman chooses man and gets called a pick me girl? She's not gonna date those people and those people aren't gonna date her. Woman chooses bear and men that think girl who chose bear is dumb? He can just move along and find a woman who he doesn't think is dumb. And the woman that answered bear can just move along and find a man who won't make her feel dumb for choosing bear.

It all works out for the best.

CryptoThroway8205 · 2024-05-11T07:42:50+00:00

It was a social media survey right? Everyone who answered was deep in the echo chamber to even see the poll. Just response bias. I don't take the poll seriously.

I didn't even know there was a poll till I came by here. My feed is mostly dogs, some skits, gym stuff, and programming grifters

SmallSituation6432 · 2024-05-11T07:48:28+00:00

Poor timing I think. At least in America the resurgence of explicitly racist and sexist conservatism and a disregard for reality and fact, it does kind of play as the opposite side of a very identifiable coin.

As far as how it plays here, and with the manosphere crowd, I honestly don't care. There is no reasonable discussion to be had with people who's position is "I want my past privilege back at any cost." that 99% of TRP as it exists now.

Gtedx · 2024-05-11T08:23:53+00:00

I'm suprised at how this hypothetical scenario has been getting so many people mad. If you'd rather see a bear, good for you! It doesn't affect me in any way, is it supposed to anger me as a man that someone has a general distrust for men?

mostessmoey · 2024-05-11T11:46:47+00:00

I think the question did what was intended. Years ago when my oldest daughter was about to go to a bar for the first time I told her to be careful because drunk men are the most evil creatures on Earth. Back then you couldn’t tell who had the potential to be dangerous. Now if you ask a man bear or man he will let you know if he has the potential to be dangerous.

RinoaRita · 2024-05-11T13:38:06+00:00

The question is so different based on whether it’s black , grizzly, or polar bear. Their threat levels are so different it might as well as be asking do you want to be alone with an animal or a man? Ok animal. Are we talking cougar or chipmunk?

antariusz · 2024-05-11T17:11:44+00:00

The answer is women are not logical, they are emotional, and even though they pass 200+ men daily, they think they could survive a bear attack and that death from being eaten alive is better than being sexually assaulted/raped.

VWGUYWV · 2024-05-11T17:16:12+00:00

Contrary to I guess true crime podcasts or something, crazy men are usually where the people are, if they are predators. I don't think it would be very effective for a sex predator or serial killer to walk 1,000s of acres in the hopes of finding a coed or something. Now, they might dispose of them in the woods, but if you read accounts they usually kidnapped them from a mall parking lot or something.

If a woman meets a man in the woods, he is most likely a hiker or a hunter. People with outdoor hobbies are no more likely to be crazy than the general population and probably less so. The vast majority of men are not sexual predators and they don't suddenly see a woman alone in the woods and think "I can take advantage of this situation." If I saw a woman alone in the woods, I'd ask if she needed help and then keep it moving. Now, based upon what I've seen and read, I'd be afraid to help a woman that looked like a crazy feminist in the woods! She'd probably spray me with bear spray or something for no reason.

The other thing I've seen pointed out that generally tracks: all these man-haters that are afraid of men are usually not super attractive. Attractive women tend to like men more than unattractive women. This leads me to believe something else is going on. Oh yeah, that 300 lbs woman with blue hair is just soooo tired of being catcalled. Sure.

VWGUYWV · 2024-05-11T17:17:06+00:00

Contrary to I guess true crime podcasts or something, crazy men are usually where the people are, if they are predators. I don't think it would be very effective for a predator or serial killer to walk 1,000s of acres in the hopes of finding a coed or something. Now, they might dispose of them in the woods, but if you read accounts they usually kidnapped them from a mall parking lot or something.

If a woman meets a man in the woods, he is most likely a hiker or a hunter. People with outdoor hobbies are no more likely to be crazy than the general population and probably less so. The vast majority of men are not predators and they don't suddenly see a woman alone in the woods and think "I can take advantage of this situation." If I saw a woman alone in the woods, I'd ask if she needed help and then keep it moving. Now, based upon what I've seen and read, I'd be afraid to help a woman that looked like a crazy feminist in the woods! She'd probably spray me with bear spray or something for no reason.

The other thing I've seen pointed out that generally tracks: all these man-haters that are afraid of men are usually not super attractive. Attractive women tend to like men more than unattractive women. This leads me to believe something else is going on. Oh yeah, that 300 lbs woman with blue hair is just soooo tired of being catcalled. Sure.

nnuunn · 2024-05-11T17:49:23+00:00

"The fact that you have to even ask that question shows how dire things are out here."

This is also a stupid takeaway, that's called kafkatrapping, it it also makes your point look stupid.

-royalmilktea- · 2024-05-11T18:03:38+00:00

Hey guys, do you understand bears? If you make noise in a way that would indicate to a bear that you are there and that you are not one of their prey items, they'll generally ignore you or avoid you. They mostly just attack humans if they're intending to get food humans have nearby or if they're surprised by humans. So given that I understand how to avoid being attacked by a bear, I would think that a random man has a slightly higher risk of attacking me, and I'm not deluding myself into thinking I could overpower a man. However, if I knew anything about the man, there's a pretty good chance I would pick the man so we could cooperate.

This feels more like a question about whether we think we could defend ourselves if a man did attack us combined with whether we trust strangers. I choose the bear, but it's not a woman hivemind thing. People talking about this like it's necessarily a lack of logic from women is bizarre.

spanglesandbambi · 2024-05-10T18:24:45+00:00

Choosing the bear demonstrates that some people do not understand the physiological impact of rape and that some people would prefer to be ripped apart then be raped.

Everyone disagreeing is falling to acknowledge this is the main sentiment as some people want to think rape is not as bad a crime as it is.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-05-10T18:27:03+00:00

I think the only thing it proved is that the “RP/alpha” internet tough guys claiming “don’t show emotions!” Can get easily triggered and upset by an internet meme.

TheTronJavolta · 2024-05-10T19:12:31+00:00

The whole discussion was meant to emphasize that a bear, while dangerous, is predictable, while humans, are entirely unpredictable. This entire point has been lost.

mumblebumblegrumble · 2024-05-10T19:45:38+00:00

Men honestly don't care no matter how logically the topic is approached. So maybe the goal of the man or bear topic should be to get women to see this, instead of men to have some consideration for women or change. Men aren't changing. Women need to move about the world accordingly.

VivaSpiderJerusalem · 2024-05-10T18:59:02+00:00

Well, at least anecdotally, I would disagree, because as a man,

The fact that you have to even ask that question shows how dire things are out here.

has been my takeaway from this conversation: that we're having it at all. It's an absurd question, because we currently find ourselves in such an absurd situation that such conversations arise. If we lived in a healthier world we wouldn't need to ask such a question because the answer would be readily obvious that anyone would rather encounter a man over a bear, since in a healthier world men wouldn't be dangerous. The fact that women even have to think about it at all, much less possibly opt for the bear, is the point of the conversation (or at least why it turned into the conversation that it did).

PossibleVariety7927 · 2024-05-10T20:04:32+00:00

The answer is a joke answer and not serious. Calm down

KayRay1994 · 2024-05-10T19:21:07+00:00

I hate that this meme hasn’t died yet. I’ve done my fair share of reading about it and while I had my initial misunderstandings, the statement is more an analogy than anything else. Hell, even the original creator of this (who is a man, btw) explained that the intent was to describe the number of potential scenarios of randomly running into a bear in the woods vs randomly running into a random man.

Of course, the odds of anything happening in both instances are very low. However, the random man is more likely to harass or assault the woman than the bear is to even acknowledging her existence. The bear also does not want to interact with the random person and will likely attempt to signal or scare the person to leave if they’re in bear territory. This does not mean “man bad” or “man is inherently dangerous” - just that encountering a random bear will statistically have a more predictable outcome than encountering a random man.

Of course, if the bear (grizzly or polar, blacks are little derps who are relatively harmless) is provoked, then its imminent death, but the likelihood of provoking the bear is very low.

Now, I also misunderstood the analogy based off the wording, assuming it meant randomly spawning in the woods with a random bear vs a random man (in which case the bear is more dangerous because the lost and confused bear may lash out) - but the analogy is entirely about randomly encountering one when hiking alone.

Tywinlol · 2024-05-10T19:21:34+00:00

I had surveyed all the bears and on their behave I beg women to chose men. Don't inflict yourself on poor, innocent, fluffy, adorable death machines. They have done nothing to deserve trial by women and you certainly don't deserve them. They also told me that they prefer men to women anyway. We taste better, pack more calories and at least offer a challenge.

On serious note you dear ladies didn't need bear question to look unhinged. Females hear make you look unhinged ten times a day at least. Having said that every women who answers bear without immediately after that relocating to the nearby forest and avoiding men for the rest of her life exposed herself as a liar. And also a sexist bigot. But then again our gynocentric society has no problems with bigotry so long as it is aimed at men. I only hope that men were paying attention and more will chose to shun women as a result.

Cethlinnstooth · 2024-05-10T20:33:21+00:00

Our "cause" isn't to make men like us.

superlurkage · 2024-05-10T21:08:56+00:00

Nope

It illustrates perfectly how unsympathetic men are

Because it’s about feelings, not facts

No man in my life failed to grasp the metaphorical point

Poor_Olive_Snook · 2024-05-10T19:03:41+00:00

No matter what we say or do, a certain subset of men will always accuse us of being unhinged.

dicklaurent97 · 2024-05-10T18:44:29+00:00

Women will never do anything right in a patriarchal society. Men will say Andrew Tate is reasonable but say women are overreacting about being afraid of men after an assault.

Sad_and_grossed_out · 2024-05-10T18:26:11+00:00

We have an insanely high black bear population where I live and yet there hasn't been a recorded bear attack in my region in like 80 years. I've had a few close encounters and they just run off to the trees. Way more men in this area have caused physical harm to women as well as men than literally any bear on the woods here.

lemoneyesx · 2024-05-10T19:15:14+00:00

I didn't pick bear, but seeing mens response to this meme has been even more enlightening. Seeing them wish those women get mauled, saying they won't take women asking for help seriously, assume women cry wolf, etc. all over an internet meme is really sobering.

If women treated men like this for every internet meme they made, there should be way more man hating than there currently is, but meme trends about women being boring, stupid, irrational, jealous, being scammers, manipulators, shallow and every other iteration of bad just comes and goes without much controversy.

Also any woman who picked bear to prove a point is genuinely stupid for thinking that the same men who mocked women for feeling scared or said we deserved backlash for metoo would suddenly empathize if you become even more hyperbolic, instead of doing what they always did, mock you and dismiss you.

RevolutionaryEye5320 · 2024-05-10T20:13:45+00:00

we now just look silly. They're coming away thinking, "Was what they were saying about women and logic right all along?".

With all due respect, I think you're vastly overestimating the social capital, intelligence and numbers of the guys coming to that conclusion.

Their opinions are essentially meaningless. The kind of guys who'd conclude that this proves women are illogical are perpetually frothing at the mouth trying to claim that 24/7 anyway. A human cares not for the barking of filthy stray dogs.

If anything, I'd argue their responses prove how illogical THEY are. The scum opposing us on this can't even grasp simple concepts of "why a random wild animal would have a lower chance of being dangerous than a 100% unknown man" or "It's not the average man we're worried about, it's the bad ones or worse, bad ones who'll pretend to be normal at first".

"The fact that you have to even ask that question shows how dire things are out here."

And I firmly believe that's exactly what the majority of at least somewhat reasonable people, a large chunk of whom you might not even see online, will think upon looking at the debate.

In the online environment, the loudest stupidest people do tend to be the most vocal and visible.

Lilrip1998 · 2024-05-10T18:53:12+00:00

lmao I kinda just like watching men pull up stats about bear attacks in parks and go "SEE SEE" v funny 10/10

wtknight · 2024-05-10T18:27:12+00:00

I’m not sure how it has been detrimental to women’s cause to make rape seem worse than death. In many women’s minds, it seems to be.

alwaysright12 · 2024-05-10T18:55:53+00:00

My thoughts are that I find it hilarious how upset chronically online men are about it

Leading_Chocolate165 · 2024-05-10T19:25:51+00:00

im a pragmatist when it comes to the causes i support (mainly feminism and climate activism) and if the question is what the best course of action is, its very rare that anything being done is optimal. but as far as where man or bear is placed in net result relative to other viral topics, id say man or bear is the best ive seen. it demonstrates instantly the lack of empathy men have for the suffering that women experience on a daily basis.

if women want a test for a mans lack in social and emotional development, doesnt get much better than this. not to be confused with it being a verification of being a good guy. more a check to see if there are strong indications of them being a potential danger to women

Solondthewookiee · 2024-05-10T18:29:15+00:00

I mean it's not the outcome women would have probably liked, but it also really demonstrated why so many choose the bear.

Rezboy209 · 2024-05-10T18:57:07+00:00

I don't know why men are so pressed about this. Seriously, thinking about it on a very surface level, you're lost alone in the woods id also rather see the bear. At least I know there is a very small chance the bear will attack. The man on the other hand... First thing that comes to mind is crazy hillbilly, axe murderer or some shit.

Really men, do y'all just trust random strangers you meet in strange places? I sure the hell do not.

Title	CMV: choosing the bear has been detrimental to our cause.
Author	Windmill_flowers
Upvotes	31
Comments	492
Date	May 10, 2024 6:21 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1cowbm7/cmv_choosing_the_bear_has_been_detrimental_to_our/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/cmv-choosing-the-bear-has-been-detrimental-to-our.1518112 https://theredarchive.com/post/1518112

The question was a trap to make us look unhinged.

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