What's your dating unpopular opinion? Something you truly believe, but would get you down voted?

BoomTheBear86 · 2024-03-19T07:42:50+00:00

One of the chief reasons imo why modern dating and relationships seem a lot harder these days (especially for the younger folks) is individuals lack the necessary will to give up some of their individuation which all long term successful relationships require to work by virtue of involving a person beyond yourself.

Everything is viewed from the lens of “if this makes any part of me feel uncomfortable, less than totally satisfied, at odds with my idea of perfection, sits at a difference with my desired preferences, then it is unworkable.”

It’s like people think you can have a successful relationship by just being two individuals in close proximity to each other and just hope by the grace of fortune that you both doing this means you get along. This reliance on luck is why so many fail. The odds are against you.

Most successful relationships require both people to bend to accommodate the other. The key is working out a way you both derive maximum happiness from. But the very notion of needing to bend, is treated as problematic for romantic relationships which is really odd. In human society we happily accept the idea that to present well for a job (a relationship with an employer) you need to make X accommodations, same for school applications, same for joining any form of social club etc.

Yet, for the model of human relationships that is most pervasive of all, the intimate ones, the idea that you may need to bend, or accommodate the other is seen as evidence of it being a “bad fit”.

I’m not talking about changing your personality or interests. I’m talking about stuff like accepting that you may have to do things that don’t interest you as much as your own interests on occasion. Accepting you may have to alter your behaviour to accommodate the other persons feelings and so on.

Many people today don’t want do that. Instead they spend ages dating to try and find someone who slots exactly with their individual lifestyle because they’d rather do that than deal with people they are actually compatible with but they may have to end up engaging in compromise on occasion. They just try to avoid dealing with any of the “tricky parts” of a relationship by aiming for a perfect one “out of the box” when I’d argue that the foundations of a good relationship is actually how the people involved deal with those “tricky bits” and what skills they have in doing so.

By tricky bits I don’t mean like fighting or arguing, but like, differences in opinion and preferences. Things you don’t see exactly eye to eye on or do differently. Bumps in the road.

The rise of asking for open relationships is clear evidence of this. Instead of trying to figure out whether they’re ready for the relationship they’re in, perhaps made a bad call, jumped in too soon or whatnot, people will avoid having a “difficult conversation” and instead suggest opening their relationship to “avoid the problem” altogether. No need to consider whether I committed exclusively to this person too soon and made a mistake; I’ll just amend my relationship so it includes the casual stuff I’m actually prepared for and avoid having to compromise on anything!!

AngeCruelle · 2024-03-19T03:33:56+00:00

I've recently started to understand why some men think women on the internet are actively trying to sabotage their dating chances. Normie Reddit in particular is filled with so much bullshit advice that only appeals to a subset of quirky women OP probably isn't going to meet in this lifetime.

The male grooming subreddit is filled with this and keeps getting recommended to me for some reason.

"I'm not getting any dates, is it my feminine rapunzel hair that reaches my ass?"

Women in the comments: "Please don't cut it, your hair is so beautiful 🥺" Bitch shut up

cardboard_monkey · 2024-03-19T03:24:29+00:00

The idea of being a “provider” for another grown ass, non disabled adult is repulsive in 2024, and outside of one parent staying home for the early years, you’re really only looking for that dynamic as the provider because you want leverage/control, and the providee is more likely than not simply looking for an extended childhood.

We_Are_From_Stars · 2024-03-19T07:49:36+00:00

The current public policy revolving around alcohol and the nightlife economy is a major part of the reason why dating is difficult.

The lack of genuinely meaningful socialization in a context of sobriety and working through insecurities to socialize is the cause for a large number of problems.

The nightlife as it exists now is not conducive to a rooted appreciation of romantic love.

MikeArrow · 2024-03-19T04:23:27+00:00

I don't know how unpopular it is, but my opinion is this.

Dating shouldn't be this hard. For men or women. It should be a lot easier than it is to meet people that are interested and willing to go on dates.

raldabos · 2024-03-19T03:35:10+00:00

Dating is exponentially harder for men that it is for women.
Everybody, men and women, are unhappier single that in a relationship.
Women care more about physicial appereance that society like to admit, men care less about phyisical appereance than society like to admit.

Edit, to add:

Beauty isn't as subjective as people think it is. Not saying is not subjective, it's just not at a level that a lot of people say it is.

SoPolitico · 2024-03-19T04:41:59+00:00

A lot of the traits that women are attracted to come from what most people would call “traditional masculinity” even if they don’t realize it. The problem is that the very same characteristics that create the desirable parts of masculinity also lead to the less desirable parts (toxic masculinity)…examples:

“Want a man that makes me feel protected”…but “don’t want him to have a temper or be combative”.

“Want a man whose ambitious and self supporting”…but “don’t want him too opinionated or selfish” (financially or with his time)

Lastly the proverbial, “want a man who’s emotionally available and in touch with his sensitive side….but “I’m not his therapist and he’s supposed to be my rock/tough.”

Edit to add: I don’t blame women for this, I just think that a lot of them don’t realize that the parts they like and the parts they don’t are just two sides of the same coin.

EulenWatcher · 2024-03-19T03:34:40+00:00

Going Dutch or just paying in turns should be more common. There's no really any valid reason to expect that men should always pay.
Waiting to have sex is a good idea. It's good to get to know each other and see whether you can trust the other person. Whatever timeframe is acceptable for you is totally personal though. Some are fine with one date, others require a few weeks or months.
Pills are not a good substitute for condoms. Pills don't protect from STDs and unless you're exclusive and you got tested (preferably twice with a 6-month gap in between two tests), you should use condoms even if you're on a pill.
Both men and women should learn to deal with their emotions in a healthy way and to be supportive towards their partner when they need it.

If I could I'd like to make an open list of cheaters similar to the list of sex offenders that some countries have as an experiment. One would need a contract proving they were exclusive and a strong evidence of cheating to put their partner in the list. I'm curious whether it would reduce cheating rates or not.

Safinated · 2024-03-19T04:01:59+00:00

Women are as stupid for love as men are for sex, and are to blame for a lot of their own unhappiness

GojosLowerHalf3 · 2024-03-19T04:21:57+00:00

I think men in their thirties who want girls around 18 years old would go much younger if it were legal. This is why I think so many people are grossed out by large age gap relationships

noafrochamplusamurai · 2024-03-19T05:02:22+00:00

Dating isn't supposed to be easy, finding the person you spend the rest of life with should be a hard task

In the dating scene, height matters less than men say it does, but it also matters more than women say it does.

Women are just as homophobic as men. Bi erasure is rampant, and homophobic slurs are readily used as insults to men. They also view their gay" friends" as" less than" heteronormative men.

The 3 groups that have it the hardest in dating are bi men, overweight women, and Asian men. That's in no particular order.

triple_skyfall · 2024-03-19T08:02:22+00:00

Women who have a history of abusive relationships have no right to tell men who struggle to get dates that they're single for their "personality". You've clearly dated many men with awful personalities.

AstronautExisting230 · 2024-03-19T03:54:55+00:00

(This might piss off both feminists and redpillers)

In my own opinion, based on my observations on statistics and real life situations, women are more shallow than men in terms of choosing a partner, but that doesn't mean suddenly feminism or supporting women's rights is suddenly a mistake that society should take away. Society should stop teaching incels how to date or the secrets towards getting women, rather they should give them coping mechanisms and teach them that its okay not to have a partner. Stop shaming virgin men. There are already 8 billion people so the very idea of passing your genes on is a pretty outdated concept. It's okay to pursue your own goals and to enjoy life.

Having a girlfriend or a wife is also not just rainbows and sunshine, its real work, and I think many romance novels fetishize love as if it's all magical. I mean most marriages fail for a reason sooooo, i think theres an obvious disconnect between whats reality vs whats fantasy. At the end of the day sure that 6 foot chad can get the girls, but can he be a doctor, an engineer, a musician? They can, but theres nothing stopping the ugly guy from doing that as well (and plenty have; look at Albert Einstein for one). My point is that society is at the edge where simply getting married and having off spring just isn't valuable anymore due to inflation, climate change, AI, etc. Its all changing and for the better too. In the future, I think we will consider love a disease and a moral failing rather than something productive. Once we figure how to make artificial humans grown in a lab that are stronger and more capable than regular humans, there will no longer be a need to feel attraction or to mate.

harmonica2 · 2024-03-19T03:48:49+00:00

Hmm...

When it comes to age gap dating, most couples I know who are in age gaps didn't get together because of the age gap, and it was because of other factors entirely, if that will likely get downvoted.

It's also more difficult to get a relationship than it is to get just sex, but most seem to think it's the other way around?

Sad_and_grossed_out · 2024-03-19T04:07:20+00:00

I don't think a lot of men actually want to have kids, or even rather BE present fathers. I think a lot of men want women to want kids because it's something they can dangle over women's heads like a carrot for sex and the potential of commitment but they don't actually WANT the kid. This is why child free women drive a lot of manosphere women crazy, it takes away a piece of their possible leverage they would have in a relationship.

Also why it's way too common for men to bail on their kids and financially abandon them without a second thought, especially when they stop getting what they want from the mother, or are rarely present in the home constantly finding excuses to go out and probably cheat.

Joelypoely88 · 2024-03-19T04:27:26+00:00

The factors outside of your control carry much more weight in determining your dating success/failure than those you can improve on.

Independent-Mail-227 · 2024-03-19T03:33:15+00:00

Depends.

Saying that dating as a woman is extremely easy and you've to basically be incompetent to fail at it as a woman will be considered very unpopular with blue pills.

Saying that it's not your self improvement that gave you results but the women at your age are just getting their options dismissed and this is the reason for your "success" will be unpopular with the red pill.

Saying that hiding behind a facade of "muh both sides" so you can just flip around the way you seems fit to just shut down argument when in reality you're as red/pill as it gets will be very unpopular with purple pill.

krafterinho · 2024-03-19T08:54:13+00:00

Seems highly unpopular on this sub: the simply wrong assumptions on subs such as this one or the extreme examples do not represent people in real life. Some people spend too much time on the internet and have formed this distorted view of an actual human being

BlackFurosuto · 2024-03-19T09:14:43+00:00

The more I find out about what guys do from my women friends, the more I dislike guys. HOWEVER the more I try to date women, the less I like women.

Basically I think there's just not enough accountability across the board because people want popcorn solutions to complex psychology issues.

If you ask me, there's GLARING issues that both men and women are guilty of indulging in, but neither side wants to accept their part and it's annoying. A lot of these complex topics require as much if not more internal work, but neither side wants to hear it because it's not as easy as blaming the other side. Shit, look at this sub.

bigtrackrunner · 2024-03-19T04:14:13+00:00

A lot of people don’t understand nuance in social interactions. For example, I saw a video where a woman was telling a story about how her date started trauma dumping out of nowhere and made the date really awkward. The comments were a bunch of guys going “oh but I thought women wanted men to be more open about their feelings?” Like, there’s a difference between being open to therapy vs trauma dumping on date 1 with a woman you barely know. This is a symptom of worsening social skills from scrolling through social media and redpill echo chambers.

Zabadoodude · 2024-03-19T06:32:29+00:00

Communication is overrated.

Most people are decent at letting their partner know when something is bothering them. The problem is on or both of them are unwilling to compromise. Maybe because the compromise would be too difficult for them. Maybe they think there will be no consequences if they don't. Maybe they just aren't invested enough. It's almost never that you just need to find a better way to explain how you feel. You have to make them want to do it.

krafterinho · 2024-03-19T08:31:26+00:00

Apparently it's unpopular in this sub, but men care more about looks than women, and I say that as a man. I see 10/10 women with guys way below average every day, but rarely the opposite

uglysaladisugly · 2024-03-19T05:24:21+00:00

Dating is the worst possible way of building it finding relationship.

Mayfloweronthewall · 2024-03-19T03:35:33+00:00

Men sort women into “wifey/relationship material” or “FWB/pump and dump only” categories based off their looks and behaviour all the time. So what if women sort men into “alpha/chad” and “beta” categories based off their looks and behaviour? 😐 Like, seriously what’s the difference and what makes one worse than the other? More importantly why should anyone care? Or are you just angry you can’t get pussy?

I despise it when Redpillers are selective about when they want to apply their appeal to nature fallacy. If men desiring younger women is biological and shouldn’t be demonized then why are you bitching and moaning about hypergamy, if according to your ideology, it’s a natural feminine instinct? I’ve noticed that with these types that male biology = good and female biology = bad.

I feel like I’m about to die of laughter when the dudes here try to portray themselves as these poor, lonely, hopeless romantics that are being denied love by the evil, shallow, cold hearted wimminz 😩 They’re just horny and can’t get pussy. Cut the crap and the melodrama lol.

I find men in their late twenties less desirable than their late teens/early-mid twenties counterparts. 30+ year old men are straight up gross and old. There I said it. I don’t feel bad about it either, men say the same about women all the time. That’s just my opinion.

Wattehfok · 2024-03-19T08:54:46+00:00

Everyone involved in the development and publishing of dating apps should be put in a work camp until they have made recompense for their crimes.

Everyone else should be made to touch grass.

Schmurby · 2024-03-19T03:35:39+00:00

“Dating” is a horrible idea.

By that I mean that going out to dinner with someone you barely know with the expectation of having sex is bound to be fraught with awkwardness and misunderstanding.

Much better is to go parties and happy hours and naturally hook up with acquaintances and then go out to eat, after you have established sexual chemistry.

The “Friendzone” is a great place to find love.

My wife was a very good friend for several months before we became romantically involved and I had dated several friends and acquaintances before that relationship began.

The mistake I think lots of people make is declaring their romantic feelings to a friend before any intimacy has taken place. Of course, that conversation is going to be weird and uncomfortable!

Better choice is to wait for that magic moment and move in for the kiss. Actions speak louder (and are much more convincing) than words!

Those are my unpopular dating opinions!

DrawRevolutionary485 · 2024-03-19T04:05:24+00:00

Men who consume pornography should be avoided by modest women

Legitimate_Type_1324 · 2024-03-19T05:24:33+00:00

Unpopular opinion on the dating subs:

You got pumped and dumped, and you too, and you too and you too.

The stories of "he faded after the 5th date what's wrong with me 😔😔😔" are posted DAILY. But if you tell them they just got pumped and dumped, you get downvoted of worse.

just_a_place · 2024-03-19T03:54:55+00:00

These will probably get me downvoted to hell, but, since you asked:

You can either love women or you can understand them, you cannot do both.
Men bitch too damned much about their dating woes here, and place way too much value on female validation which is precisely what repels women in the first place and they just can't seem to figure this out.
You have to be a certain level of stupid to get married in this day and age.
She will stop loving you at some point, and for any reason.

N-Zoth · 2024-03-19T04:57:28+00:00

A lot of dating "advice" in the manosphere establishes and reinforces certain patterns of thinking that may seem harmless at first, but over a sufficiently long time horizon they become fully internalized, embedded and lead to self-destructive anti-patterns.

Handsome_Goose · 2024-03-19T06:26:26+00:00

Women collectively and individually would be better off without makeup.

Not just a lot of them cannot properly apply it, they still end up severely inflating the average look.

That time and money would be better spent in a gym.

Adventurous-Fox-62 · 2024-03-19T05:52:00+00:00

The world is full to the brim with wonderful people.
Dating is hard for everyone.
There HAS to emerge a government-backed dating app, payed for by taxes and therefore, which can be actually efficient.

grown_folks_talkin · 2024-03-19T06:15:59+00:00

The pursuit of casual sex is a worthwhile endeavor for men, at least for a season.

The social, conversational and also the sexual skill learned in that process will not only help a man in dating but in other areas of life.

Even if it’s an utter failure in terms of the “goal”, what you learn about yourself and other people can be valuable.

I also think everybody should experience an LTR at least once for similar reasons, but that wouldn’t be downvoted as much.

hearyoume14 · 2024-03-19T06:42:43+00:00

There are too many people who need to work on themselves before they even think to look for a partner.Many of the conditions we put in place, especially for those of us inexperienced at an older age, are due to insecurity, anxiety and resentment.

Woman will judge you based on their ex if said ex was abusive, cheated or was wonderful.

The drop of the female libido and change to more responsive desire in monogamy isn’t a well known fact. She’ll go back to her baseline. People aren’t terribly self aware and those of us who are emotionally immature have a more external locus of control.

Most people only notice a certain percentage of the opposite sex.

Pitiful_Many3583 · 2024-03-19T09:02:02+00:00

That it’s an unfair standard when women are allowed to complain about men being too feminine while men are chastised for complaining about masculine women

StubbornTaurus26 · 2024-03-19T11:55:13+00:00

Communication will not solve every issue in a relationship. Many issues in a relationship can only be solved with sacrifice and compromise, not endlessly lamenting about your feelings to your SO.

meisterkraus · 2024-03-19T12:30:56+00:00

The if he wanted to he would advise women get is stupid and designed to keep them single. If you wanted to you would. Stop being reactionary and be proactive.

Gilaridon · 2024-03-19T12:47:13+00:00

Women throw around "if he wanted to he would" more often as a way to avoid their own responsibility/accountability than to point out what a guy is not doing. It's more of a weapon than an observation.

Notice how it's never "if she wanted to she would"?

Women that tell themselves they know men better than we know ourselves are basically taking their opinions and perspectives on men and passing them off as facts but are conveniently leaving out men's experiences.

It's real easy to sir back and think you have men figured out when you have the luxury of not being one and thus not having to actually live it.

Women really need to stop trying to tell men what a real man is because most forms of, "A real man would..." are just attempts at holding responsible for the behavior of women. "A real man knows how to handle a woman' translates to "A man should take responsibility for the terrible shit his woman does so that she doesn't have to."

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-03-19T12:57:09+00:00

The posters ones that loudly shout “read the sidebar!” Don’t even read the small list of rules here: so I don’t believe they actually took the time to actually read the sidebar: they just watched some RP YouTube videos and now they think they are “experts”.

Poly_frolicher · 2024-03-19T14:24:15+00:00

Unpopular opinion: It’s all a test. From the first interaction until you settle into a relationship, everything is a test. Saying “I don’t want to be compared to others,” or “I don’t want to be judged” is just silly. Every part of early dating is a test on both sides. You’re testing if the person is kind, funny, interesting, good in bed, a snorer, has obnoxious habits, cleans their place, etc. People who say things like “let’s just relax and enjoy one another without the pressure,” are lying to themselves.

On the other hand, there’s no point to TRYING to pass the tests, if you aren’t actually that person. Sure, be on good behavior, but still be yourself, because just because the tests aren’t constant after the relationship establishes, you can still fail if you aren’t compatible. These tests are good for everyone, since no one wants to be with someone not compatible. Don’t stress the tests, but also know that they are inevitable.

obviousredflag · 2024-03-19T06:57:45+00:00

My unpopular opinion is, your value is determined by the actions of the people in the market you take part in. If you don't get any matches on dating apps, it's not women having too high standards, it's you thinking the value of your profile is way higher than it really is. The other actors in the market are not doing something wrong. Your product is just not competitive. Don't try to sell your flawed product in a market with low demand and high supply of cheap, high quality products. Online dating is not a lottery. You don't "get lucky". Stop swiping and treating it like it.

Change your product or change the market to something where you are competitive.

Most_Read_1330 · 2024-03-19T07:10:02+00:00

Women make rules for the unattractive men and break rules for the attractive men. If you don't give her the tingles, you gotta deal with the checklists tests icks etc.

Purple-Poppins · 2024-03-19T08:00:06+00:00

Both men and women get poached from relationships where their partner got complacent and stopped growing/improving.

Couples are often fairly well matched when they first get together, but when one person keeps growing, learning, and improving, but the other is content to stay the same, eventually the imbalance is too much and the higher value partner becomes vulnerable to poaching.

You cant use a relationship as an excuse to stop growing and expect to keep it.

wolfloveyes · 2024-03-19T03:43:28+00:00

Intelligence in men

MIT has 35% virgins, compared to average college around 20% virgin

There are studies that suggest a correlation between higher intelligence and being a virgin, particularly in adolescence [INC Magazine]

Intelligence is least desired trait by women and makes men possessing higher intelligence, be perceived as "weird, misogynistic, does he hate me?"

Kindness

Women are more likely to fall for brute, unkind, aggressive men than kind men.

Violence

A man who has atleast 1 criminal charge like murder, rape, robbery etc...

Has way more sexual and romantic partners than average male.

Physical attractiveness.

Face alone triumphs all kind of personality traits. Give a woman handsome face, she will draw the personality behind it and believe in it even if it's not there!

Remember Clark Kent is superman in glasses. The moment he puts on glasses, be becomes intelligent personality to women Lol.

Here's is what women mean when they say they want intelligent men:

Clark Kent is portrayed as wearing glasses, dressing in conservative clothing like suits or business attire, and maintaining a mild-mannered demeanor with slouched posture, his hair more tousled or parted. He's somewhat clumsy demeanor to blend in, tends to be more reserved and unassuming, appears more timid and unsure.

CatholicChanner · 2024-03-19T04:14:37+00:00

The Sexual Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the sex having of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering. The continued development of this revolution will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased suffering even in “advanced” countries.

RaidenTheBlue · 2024-03-19T03:36:58+00:00

That women, no matter how long you’re dating them, always have one foot in/one foot out

AFuzzyMuffin · 2024-03-19T03:31:09+00:00

1 has less to do with a man doing heavy lifting and more just being able to tell if a man is truly interested, making plans doesn't mean a guy doesn't like you, but if he NEVER puts in effort and doesn't truly seem all in by his actions that's a problem

2 ain't really that bad, it's not that serious, you don’t need sex you need her doing things for you, if a woman is happily cooking for you and doing stuff you like that's a far better sign she likes you just make sure the stuff is romantic or has a pinch of it

3 ehhh I say no, most people are horrible judges of character they DO know if they could see themselves fucking you tho

4 yes correct so establish boundaries of what u want with people

I just told my friend /(potential future wife) that lack of response is not okay even if others don’t care I take it personally on an autistic social convention level and she is following it now

But I had to establish that as what I wanted/needed and if I wasn't gonna get it then

Like shark tank “I'm out”

My add or personal experience or view rather is attraction is braindead. I'm running an experiment on someone irl atm.

They swear up and down they are not attracted to me. So I'm taking 14 months of nothing but extreme self improvement so I can prove them wrong. If it works I will have proven attraction can be fabricated people just want to be special, and there is nothing more special than a man underglowing a severe glow up to prove a woman wrong and have her admit she wants him now and for him to gracefully accept with conditions of course….(shit ain't free)

Konoha_Shinobee · 2024-03-19T03:37:57+00:00

I think most men are totally okay with waiting to have sex and taking things slow when it comes to intimacy, the problem is we're terrified of ending up in friendzone land if we don't make any moves.

I think so too, but I don't think this opinion is actually unpopular.

The waiting thing always confuses me, because women are always in a rush for everything.

Charming_Parking_302 · 2024-03-19T06:54:17+00:00

Dating is a game of survival of the fittest. It's fine that some men (and women tbh) ill never find a partner or reproduce. It's been like that throughout history.

itm4l2000 · 2024-03-19T05:26:25+00:00

In future the patriarchy will rise.

Father's will underwrite their daughters financial stability. To expect a man that his daughter falls in love with who has his life sorted out at the same age is near impossible.

The father will take on a deeper mentor role to his son-in-law.

This cycle will perpetuate.

With the cost of living increasing this has lead to age gap relationship, especially with women in their 30s pursuing older established men.

Also, there is a "biological deficit" modern women experience - by the time she has finished studying and thriving in mid career she has to make a hard decision - career or children

If the father's provide the financial security of her daughter and the male mentoring of his son-in-law on cultural expectations on how he should treat his daughter a lot of the issues of modern dating would be resolved.

If a woman wants children early she has the assurance not from her partner but from her father that what ever happens she will be ok.

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Love-Is-Selfish · 2024-03-19T03:52:47+00:00

Men have more control or the advantage in sex and in life to the extent that physical action is important for living. This gives them the advantage in love/dating to the extent that sex and having an advantage in living is important for love/dating.

This is why generally it’s better for guys to take the initiative like your friend found out. Guys can more easily use a woman for sex. Also, if two people have similar romantic interest in each other and one has the advantage in pursuing that, then you’d expect the one with the advantage to take the initiative or to escalate. Like, if a poor person and a rich person are equally interested in traveling to Europe, then you’d expect that the rich person would go first. If the poor person goes and the rich person doesn’t, then you’d question whether the rich person was as interested in traveling to Europe. So if a man and a woman are romantically interested in each other enough to want to kiss, then you’d expect the man to go for it first since men have the advantage.

Charming_Parking_302 · 2024-03-19T06:51:28+00:00

Men should always offer to pay for dates. If she's happy to split the bill, then offering doesn't hurt your chances. But if she's not, then you are still in the game! So always offer

Novel-Tip-7570 · 2024-03-19T07:16:40+00:00

A huge amount of women find it sexy to feel vulnerable in front of their men which explains the appeal of "bad boys".

MajIssuesCaptObvious · 2024-03-19T08:38:51+00:00

When receiving dating advice, people who have been together under 5 years have no ground to stand on to be giving relationship advice. Come at me when you've pulled through the real lows.

Objective_Ad_6265 · 2024-03-19T08:39:31+00:00

I truly believe there is someone for everone. I truly believe there is someone exacly for you if you are being yourself. It's not about trying to be statisticaly convenient to most people. But being yourself, best version of yourself, to find your true match. You don't need many people to like you, just the ONE.

shonenhikada · 2024-03-19T10:02:10+00:00

SMV for men is linked to 3 traits

Looks (height, face, race, body musculature)
Status (Race, job status, social circle, family status, nationality status (important in 3rd world countries), popularity is important in school setting, how respected u are takes precedence outside of school)
Money (material possessions, physical cash, family wealth)

Every woman will have their own individual priority on which traits hold more value. And often as a woman gets older, prioritize may change. For example, a woman in her 20s that is into fitness might have preference more for looks over wealth. Meet that same woman in her 30s, and she might hold more weight towards a man's finances than than him looking jacked.

Once u fulfill these requirements, personality is then assessed. Think of the first 3 as basically being requirements to get an interview for a job. U can be qualified and still not get the job, if you did badly on your interview (personality). On flip side, if the other candidates are way below you (traits above) then companies (women) will take you for the job (sex/relationship) even if you did bad on the interview (have a shit personality).

If you have a good personality but are lacking in other areas then you aren't going to get a call from the company in their prime (aka frienzone) . You might get a call later in life, if said company has lost some of it's prestige, status and wealth and now lower it's standards.

hostility_kitty · 2024-03-19T10:04:55+00:00

There is nothing wrong with wanting a traditional relationship. It seems like wanting the guy to pay has been a trigger to so many people.

CraftyCooler · 2024-03-19T10:29:11+00:00

I agree with your first point. I personally do not like the idea of men being asked out by women - I liked the adrenaline and possibility of being rejected. For me life without any risk is boring and not really worth living. In the world of women asking out - most likely men would refuse dating at all at some point.
Women might not like it - but it is true that sometimes we date girls that we will never have any interest in just for validation and pumping the ego. It's not about sex - sometimes it's just about chasing easier catch to prove our baseline value. I was doing it - i know other guys doing it.

Upset_Material_3372 · 2024-03-19T10:49:12+00:00

The whole confidence is attractive cope. It’s not the confidence it’s the REASON (tall, very charismatic, very fit, very intelligent, etc. overall top percentile guy.) the guy is confident that women are attracted to him but in order to save face and not look bad, wether it’s concisely or not, will instead say it’s the confidence they like sometimes even fooling themselves.

Tokimonatakanimekat · 2024-03-19T10:50:25+00:00

The problem is she found out most men just go along with it even if they're not attracted to her. A ton of guys are like "sure we can get pizza. Sure we can hookup. Sure we can go to the lake." And then 2 months go by, and she realizes they don't even like her.

She should have looked for cues and signs that guys are attracted first before making a move.

VickiLynnRose · 2024-03-19T10:57:10+00:00

I don't feel sorry when men get divorced and taken to the cleaners. In fact I think it's mostly their fault because they tend to pick their partners based off of looks and youth. They don't care about anything else, they just only care about those two things

sasalukalu · 2024-03-19T10:58:09+00:00

Women on dating apps are the biggest narcissists you'll ever come across in your life.

donttouchmyschwa · 2024-03-19T11:04:21+00:00

Female Dating Strategy is not toxic and has really helped me find my worth after breaking up with an abusive ex. Wish I could find it before I got into that relationship. It can be taken to extremes and it absolutely happens but the underlying ideas are golden in this day and age.

I get hate from both men and women for this, hahaha.

WebComp · 2024-03-19T11:05:46+00:00

I have one that REALLY pisses people off when I say it out in the real world...

(selectively) ignoring physical attraction, dating should be easy.

If 2 people are mentally healthy and care about themselves to the best they could, that foundation is 90% of a perfect relationship. That last 10% is showing love to your partner.

It's a super simple formula and people can't stick to it.

Specialist-Action-33 · 2024-03-19T11:11:18+00:00

At some point you will have to get all the dating and sex out of your system, even when its intentionally at some elses expense. When it comes to men, they will promise a relationship with a woman just for sex knowing thats not what they intend to do but will do so anyway. Most times this ends up being a one sided fwb.

There are some women who are attracted to feminine men.

Some transwomen are more feminine than cis women believe it or not. Cis women only get offended because it makes them look bad.

Being a SAHM is counterproductive in a relationship.

Most men don't want a virgin gf because they can come off as too prudish. Even if they are virgins themselves.

Men hit the wall the same age as women do. Difference is men are more motivated to bounce from the wall than women are. Thats why you see more men age 45-55 in better shape while women in that same age range are obese.

If anything, dating and relationships are based on luck. No matter how attractive you are (male or female), you really have to be at the right place at the right time and meet someone at the right moment for it all to work. No dating app, cold approaching, mutual friends, etc., will make any difference.

Thinking that finding a relationship through hobbies or volunteering will more than likely get men friendzoned at best. Most women there are in LTR or married and are more focused on the hobby/volunteering itself.

Women care about money to some consideration in a relationship. They will say they don't care how much money a man has but in the back of their mind they think of his potential of how much he could possibly make in the future, whether she contributes or not.

wtknight · 2024-03-19T11:16:56+00:00

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NotReallyTired_ · 2024-03-19T11:33:41+00:00

Dating shouldn’t be this hard or complicated, if you find yourself (myself included) consuming content and research about human evolution and biology in relations to dating you’ve lost the plot.

There are elements of physical attraction that heavily influenced by our environment and culture norms. Not to mention there’s no organ in your body that’s biologically forcing you into not comprising, this goes for both genders.

Self help is a giant cope. Your grandparents never cracked open a self help or improvement book. Your grandparents never once thought “I’m going to hold off on dating, get my life together until I’m enough for a person.” This mindset will keep you on a mental loop of never feeling good enough and low self-esteem. Imagine dedicating years of your life workout, spending money/time on a bunch of beauty products, and wasting years grinding/hustling in an economy that’s hasn’t raised the average wage when your grandparents made it work, assuming that came from a good home btw. You know how stupid you look?

This is the one I’ll get shit on the most for, men are solely responsible for hookup culture. Women are just adapting and acting accordingly to how a lot of men are moving. As a man you cannot call women hoes and gold diggers, if ya are pumping and dumping and leading with your money.

DonBoy30 · 2024-03-19T11:34:55+00:00

That the internet and social media creates a lot of white noise between men and women and has created barriers for healthy heterosexual relationships (not exclusive to, but I’m a cis heterosexual male).

When I was starting out dating, it was the MySpace era. My generation just sort of drifted into each other, and casually decided to be attached to the hip indefinitely or until the bond was broken. There were a lot of problems that needed addressing, but I think it was the height of positive gender-relations among moral and healthy people. We just let things happen organically and equally. We weren’t bound by our religious grandparents religious ideals, or our hypermasculine 1970’s worshipping parents.

Now it’s like everyone creates all these niche ideologies to justify hierarchy and “traditional” dating roles or the complete opposite. The social media and porn rot is real. I am heavy on weight training. You watch one YouTube short about doing an exercise with good form, and next thing you know you can easily find yourself down some weird rabbit hole of race fetishism rage bait, stoicism, red pill, and pickup artist grifting. Shit is fucking weird.

It’s no wonder young people are turning away from dating.

HumpsyDumpsy · 2024-03-19T11:51:23+00:00

"The wall" is a myth. Its just a scare tactic. You'll always hear guys telling women about how real it is, but you never see other women saying it to eachother. And it's ironic.

Any other time, men are clueless about us n our bodies. The same dudes who don't understand our periods, ovulating, how to make us cum, don't know where the clit is, and dont know the difference between labia and vagina, are the same dudes who all sudden have all this knowledge about our "market value" and how our bodies work when they wanna speak of the wall.

Unless you are a woman, stop telling us about ourselves. You look silly, we know our bodies n what we got going on better than any man will ever know.

Soggy_Discipline1672 · 2024-03-19T11:56:03+00:00

That you should leave at the first important red flag or serious disrespect.

wtknight · 2024-03-19T12:01:30+00:00

Dating and marriage should be fun, not hard.

Oneofthe12 · 2024-03-19T12:01:49+00:00

My unpopular opinion? It’s more a question. Where are all the very intelligent & very emotionally literate men? It’s not an either or game, or is it?

The_Forgotten001 · 2024-03-19T12:08:40+00:00

Men and women use different meanings for the same words and thus it's like men and women speak different languages.

Woman: "No is yes, yes is yes unless yes means no"

Need I explain this one.

Man: "How are you feeling to day babe?" Women: "FINE"

She was in fact, not fine.

Man: "Babe I like Tea" Woman: " Are you saying you hate Coffee??"

Man: "She has cool sneakers" Woman: " Why do you hate me?

Sometimes saying you like something means you hate something about her. If I didn't experience this with almost every girlfriend (the only one who didn't turned out to be a lesbian or older than 40) I would just say it's an individual thing.

John_Oakman · 2024-03-19T12:10:32+00:00

Moral virtues when not backed by any worldly/material incentive/disincentive structure will only invite exploitation by others.

iloveyouall00 · 2024-03-19T12:40:33+00:00

Was female friend from 1) "hooking up" with those guys?

holyskillet · 2024-03-19T12:49:47+00:00

3) Men, and I'm assuming women, typically know if you're relationship material after 1-2 dates.

Absolutely not, you can't find out what someone is as a person after having food with them twice. You need to watch them in other situations.

Mine is not about dating per se:

Until a guy starts bringing something to the table to match female sexuality his opinions about these women does not count.

waffleznstuff30 · 2024-03-19T13:13:57+00:00

I have like 2.

Men have a if it ain't broke don't fix it mentality when it comes to relationships. What does that mean? When they get "comfortable" it means all effort just harshly declines. So they stop doing all the things. And start doing none of the things. They can be happy faithful and loyal and have no issues. But women we feel that sudden drop in effort. We start to overthink, we start trying to add things or keep it fresh because we like that effort. We like to feel like both parties are putting in time and energy to make it work not just us. So I think instead of completely not doing any of the things maybe do..... SOME of the things. Like a date night. Randomly buy flowers. Watch a movie they like with them. A mushy text here and there. Shit like that is really easy to get do small gestures just to show you still want to put effort in and still think they are worth it.
Online advice for women is absolute trash/insecurity bait. "If he wanted to he would" is awful. And expects men to be mind-readers. He didn't know you wanted that so no he didn't book reservations for that brunch place you wanted to try but never vocalized it. So you can't resent him and feel insecure if he doesn't know that that would be something you like. It's not your worth being up for question its his honest ignorance to what you want and YOUR lack of communication. The whole dating men for money is gross and just sounds like low-key prostitution. Demanding a man do the most for you in the early stages of dating is setting us up for lovebombing that we as women get so worked up over. Go for low effort low risk at the beginning. If a guy pulls out all the stops and does the most it's an illusion. Get to know people up front you don't need the fanciest the best and the biggest effort have a small coffee or drink date. Chit chat build up authenticity first.
'High Value" doesn't exist. I think anyone who refers to themselves as a high value man/woman. It stinks of insecurity. Because we don't know what the other values.

Mrbig_1210 · 2024-03-19T13:14:13+00:00

Toxic femininity is widely accepted/encouraged By society Cue “are we dating the same guy” pages, which let’s be honest is for women dating the same guy to bag on him with accusations that may or may not be true

The rise of the “ick” trend among women. We see women on tik tok or insta putting men on blast for innocent things like wanting a certain cheese on his burger, or a guy being feminine bc of the way he crosses his legs.

The idea what women can be just as toxic as men makes a lot of people uncomfortable and it’s dismissed or downplayed

RahLyt · 2024-03-19T13:31:27+00:00

Women are worse in communication than men.
Men do more emotional Labour than women.

kvakerok_v2 · 2024-03-19T13:38:23+00:00

In regards to #1, she was overdoing it, there needs to be give and take. Sure, she can make the first move, but she shouldn't be the sole person putting in the effort.

LoFiPanda14 · 2024-03-19T13:41:15+00:00

No benefit or point to Heterosexual opposite sex platonic friendships.

relish5k · 2024-03-19T13:42:14+00:00

If a woman does not respect her man, then it's over. And women respect dominance, or if not dominance then at least competence. Physical, social and/or material. If a man lacks physical, social and material competence, then he's SOL.

mortblanc · 2024-03-19T13:46:21+00:00

To be frank, I've never had a date in my life. Either it was casual friendship intensifying over months into something more solid, physical, and long term, or it was (when I was young) spontaneous drop-your-pants-and-dance.

Not trying to brag or anything. I just don't do that "ritual". I'll feed a girl for free if I like her company, not to get into her pants. The same way I'd treat a guy.

Sargeras13 · 2024-03-19T13:48:53+00:00

The provider mentality is for people who want to be in transactional materialistic relationships, the couple doesn't care nor love eachother, but neither of them have the ambition to be in a meaningful relationship, so they look at relationships as an aesthetic, turning the who thing into a monetary transaction, its why those relationships look soo fake with barely any chemistry.

mortblanc · 2024-03-19T14:02:21+00:00

My unpopular opinion: pornstars would be much better friends than "normal" people would be dates.

cheemspurpletreats · 2024-03-19T14:09:40+00:00

Women are afforded far more privileges in their day to day life as the result of their advantages in dating. A man is not going to get invited to parties, bought nice dinners, introduced to new social circles, taken on trips, allowed access into restricted events, etc. because someone is trying to impress them.

OnePotatoeChip · 2024-03-19T14:13:44+00:00

Unpopular opinion for this sub? That Redpill men are somewhat envious of women. Maybe not even just Redpill men - possibly men in general. We want to be desired like we desire them, but we aren't, and that's what's created this imbalance that's birthed both simps and, by proxy, the Redpill itself.

I've seen people and some experts talk about the effects of porn on the male mind. How it kills our drive to go out and find a mate. But isn't that sort of ideal? If our drive can easily be sated by it, and we don't have to rely on another individual to get our needs met, then won't our outlook begin to mimic women's?

Given that women are far more acclimated to the current climate, you'd think that'd be a positive. Less stress, less performance and more time pursue the things in life that matter to you.

Not that porn addiction is a good thing - it's a terrible predicament, I'm sure. But I'm sure there's a healthy middle ground. Maybe less emphasis on porn and more on just the base self-satisfaction.

Just some base ideas I toss around in my head from time to time.

dmatthews021120 · 2024-03-19T14:13:50+00:00

I don't know if this is a *dating* take but it's dating adjacent. Related to gender dynamics.

There's a duality of truths about what I'm about to say:

*women are sexually preyed upon (e.g., anything from sexual assault to leered at, approached in creepy ways, etc.), and they aren't making up how much that makes them feel unsafe and objectified and those feelings are real and bad

and yet

*the idea of danger and being sexually objectified (maybe not the manifestation) also makes many/most women feel incredibly desirable and triggers intense feelings in women, and I'm convinced (in the appropriate context) they subtly enjoy the feeling of vulnerability and the sexualization of submissiveness, or at least, it's producing true conflicts in women and leads to a lot of internal turmoil.

And this plays a HUGE role in like lots of 'relationship' dynamics, anything from dead bedrooms to domestic violence to short term/casual sex, etc. You can spot it in younger women and how they are incredible exasperated and anxious by the whole dynamic, but not in a single direction (e.g., it's not just that they're scared, it's that they're genuinely conflicted). You can spot it in young men who are bad at navigating the minefield.

And because it's sort of unspoken and often unspeakable, we're often confusing ourselves about how to react.

To make it about modern dating dynamics, a lot of nice guys, incel types, and other dudes who suffer especially in 'short term dating' contexts just cannot accept the sexual polarity aspects of feminine desire (e.g., most women usually but not always want to feel feminine and submissive, and men who are seductive are masculine and confident and triggering the push/pull dynamics of danger and safety without actually being unsafe; and then related, women who fixate intensely on 'creeps' and 'danger' without recognizing their own internal sexual motivations for this fixation, and their own inability to cope with this binary -- they are paradoxically condemning themselves to binary relationships with either safe/boring men they likely do not want or genuinely dangerous men who actually harm them).

GlamSunCrybabyMoon · 2024-03-19T14:27:04+00:00

Just because a man is average, below average, ugly, poor, or fat doesn’t mean that he would make a better partner because he doesn’t get many opportunities. If given the chance these men would be the chads they claim to hate. So I don’t think giving the “nice guy” a chance means it’ll make people happy. It’ll just give the nice guy ™️ the chance to play Chad.

A lot of people are not dateable. There’s just going to be large chunks of the population that shouldn’t be in the dating pool.

SignifyingNothing5 · 2024-03-19T14:36:10+00:00

Men who subscribe to the RP are projecting their own tendencies onto women on some of the key points. Like "if I had women's options I'd take do X and Y", and they then decide that's "women'as nature".

Some women do, but far more men would if they could. It's "men's nature". Being a man, I kind of know.

TRTGymBro · 2024-03-19T03:44:10+00:00

Here is my view of the world. It may not be pretty, but it is reality and we have to live in it.

Sexual attraction, at the core is a designed to get us to mate and propagate the species. It doesn't care if you don't want to have kids, if you want to have sex recreationally or just because you enjoy it. If the latter were true, we would be having sex with all kinds of random people. But we are not, we are looking for people we feel sexually attracted to.

When it comes to sexual attraction, men and women want the same thing - someone who will pass on their great genes to their offspring. For men, this means being viscerally attracted to body parts - big boobs, round, firm asses, tiny waists, etc. over thousands of generations men have formed sexual selection criteria that is ingrained in our genes to select the best partner for making healthy babies.

Why are men so focused on looks and youth? Because it is the woman who has to carry the baby and her looks are indicators of her fertility. This is proven by science by the way, from hip to waist ratio, to size of breasts and butt, to lack of belly fat, healthy hair, nails, eyes and lips, etc. These are all indicators of fertility and reproductive health. And although with modern medicines every woman is ensured a healthy pregnancy, men still want to fuck young, hot women.

Women, what do they want? They want a man who is good for making a healthy baby that will have high chances of survival. Because a man doesn't have to carry a baby in his belly, his physical attributes and older age are not as of much concern. So women look at a man's behavior to figure out if he has powerful genes that she wants to pass on to his kids.

What is this behavior? Why do women date a jerk who treats her as disposable, while a perfectly nice guy will worship the ground she walks on, yet she ignores him? Because the jerk has strong genes. In prehistoric times he would have killed a wild animal or a male competitor threatening his woman and their baby. The jerk is not nice but he knows how to survive. The nice guy would be eaten by the lion or killed by the male competitor. So women look for confidence and men who act boldly and without fear, because they want to pass these genes onto their offspring. A tall, pretty man who is an anxious coward full of phobias might have marginally better genes than a nice guy who is average but also full of phobias and fears, so a woman may choose him in the absence of an alpha male. A woman may choose a guy who brings some resources, because it's better to date a loser with a Porsche than a loser with a Kia. But she will always want the alpha male with great genes whose kids will have high chances of surviving a harsh environment.

Yes, yes, I know. In modern times a fearless male is not needed because you have police and government subsidies. But just like in the male version, men are not going to sleep with an ugly woman because medicine can make their baby survive. Men will always seek the most sexually attractive woman they can get, although in this day and age her sexual attractiveness has little effect on the survival chances of their baby.

The same way a woman will seek the fearless and powerful male, although in this day and age her kids won't have to face lions, dinosaurs and warring cavemen tribes.

Ashayus · 2024-03-19T03:50:26+00:00

As a male if you don't have good job with good income better not even try

HumpsyDumpsy · 2024-03-19T07:18:09+00:00

*women =/= gatekeepers of sex, men =/= gatekeepers of marriage. Both are consensual, and require both ppl to say yes

*Online dating is FLOODED with emotionally unavailable ppl who are too afraid to move on from past relations, making it difficult for ppl who are actually ready to date n commit

Demasii · 2024-03-19T04:39:00+00:00

Anything that prolongs a man from sealing the deal of arranging a first date will lower his chance of getting that date.

When the man pays for the date all he has to ask is "let me to take you out for sushi tonight"

If the woman is interested than she says "yes" and it's done.

But it's not done if you tell her that she is expected to pay for her own meal. Now you need the second "yes" from her.

She can have multiple reasons why she will not pay for her own meal. She maybe traditional. She maybe on a budget and can't afford the price. She maybe don't like sushi enough to pay for it. She is uncomfortable suggesting a different place. Etc.

One "yes" is easier to get than two "yes".

Sadsad0088 · 2024-03-19T05:25:33+00:00

Yeah women taking the lead is wrong on so many levels, men who push for it either know it would get them easy lays from women they aren’t interested enough in to choose or live in delulu land and think that what’s keeping them lonely is women not approaching while it’s probably a mix of looks, lack of social skills, unfortunate circumstances and bad luck.

This opinion is only unpopular on reddit

Sillysheila · 2024-03-19T08:36:24+00:00

I don’t care about “Chad”, female sexuality is still mostly not the same as men’s and it should not be compared to male sexuality. Women often just don’t find people instantly sexy the same way men do. Responsive sexuality is real and the dominant form of female sexuality.

Women also aren’t bad for being selective. There are some cases where being selective can go overboard particularly on online dating, but in the animal kingdom most species with two sexes have a more selective sex. We can’t just have two non selective sexes either. It’s important to have selective and non selective for balance.

Most young men are not sexless. It might seem that way on PPD because there’s so many people like that on here but the data shows otherwise. To put things in perspective, https://gitnux.org/male-virginity-statistics/

Women shouldn’t get paid for on dates because they have a vagina unless they’re traditional.

Trad woman stuff imo is heavily overrated. There’s no real evidence it improves dating, romance, or life for women. A lot of trad women are unhappy or have bad relationships. It’s not a silver bullet.

If you’re a woman and you make like 100-150k plus and you’re think you are “settling” if you date a man that makes 80k…that’s silly. It’s also incredibly old fashioned.

reddit_is_geh · 2024-03-19T09:34:43+00:00

The way you present yourself says a lot about who you are, and it's perfectly valid to judge people and have preconceptions about how this person chooses to present themselves. A woman with long nails is a signal to me that is 100% not happening.

Lysa_Bell · 2024-03-19T04:44:51+00:00

The 20/80 thing is a projection by men. They might settle for the 80% of women because they want their dicks warm and wet but they don't really care about their partner. They will chase the top 20. The other 80% are basically invisible to them which is why they complain about women wearing too much makeup/being high maintenance/having inflated egos/etc. They don't even recognize that less beautiful women exist and are nothing like the top percent. Only when reality hits them after complaining for years about the dating market that they have to settle for an average girl to have regular access to sex and starting a family they start to notice normal women outside of the top 20%. And they will never treat the settled woman as well as the chased one. But women want love and will still stay with a guy that settled for them even if he doesn't even do the bare minimum. The bar is too low.

bacharama · 2024-03-19T04:49:20+00:00

Age gaps are fine. A 33 year old man with a 25 year old woman is fine, but a lot of reddit and Twitter will have you believe its "problematic."

My unpopular opinion about this - the rapid rise of "age gap of more than 3 years = bad" is at least partially driven by women getting married at a later age in life than they used to. A male preference for younger women is to their detriment. Since they can't go after the women due to societal norms, they instead frame it as "concern" and shame the man involved. This acts as a way to pressure men to date more "age appropriately" which increases the options available to 30+ women.

Younger men fall into this line of thinking for the same reason. More young men are virgins and sexless than ever before. Removing older men from the dating pool works to their self interest too.

It may not be outright stated and may even be subconscious, but I firmly believe that to be the case. It's all rooted in a scarcity mindset among both sexes that is indicative of the modern dating landscape.

Legitimate_Type_1324 · 2024-03-19T05:37:06+00:00

The wall is REAAALLY fucking real.

Start showing signs of aging and most men will consider you for anything beyond casual.

For every lady that claims they found love in their late 30's, 40's, there's dozens of them that can't get more than a pity fuck from some horny guy.

__cult_imagery__ · 2024-03-19T06:04:54+00:00

Date by mutual attraction and have sex as early as possible to determine sexual compatibility. Lastly, invest in staying loyal to each other. All else is irrelevant.

RubyDiscus · 2024-03-19T06:55:44+00:00

If I go on dates with someone if they don't pay for me and act thrilled to do so, there won't be a 2nd date.
If he's not keenly persuing me, there will be no second date or maybe even first date.
If he acts wishy washy about what he wants or in anyway suggests I'm not perfect for him, there will be no date or 2nd date if we already had a date.
If he's not sexually dominant there will be no date or second date.

Title	What's your dating unpopular opinion? Something you truly believe, but would get you down voted?
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Date	March 19, 2024 3:18 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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