CMV „As a Man you should never be emotional/weak infront off you‘re Girl“ is one of the most brutal reality’s that a Man has to accept.

RidingRedHare · 2023-11-02T23:17:24+00:00

Why would you want to be with a women who won't support you when you're sad because a friend died?

Daniel_Bryan_Fan · 2023-11-03T00:40:36+00:00

I’m a man, I’ve been emotional in front of my wife plenty. Whether it’s the death of a close family member or just a bad week, I’ve never hid my feelings. I don’t bawl over everything but I’ve cried in front of her.

In all honesty I don’t know why I’d want to be in a relationship where I couldn’t say how I’m feeling.

BillyPilgrim75 · 2023-11-02T23:21:24+00:00

Sometimes we should be better than our biological parameters. The only thing better than stoically stuffing your normal human emotions is refusing to do that and taking a fuck you attitude with anyone who, you know, denies you your humanity. Which you're doing to yourself.

butt_spaghetti · 2023-11-03T01:33:17+00:00

If you can’t be vulnerable in front of your girl, you are dating the wrong girl. I love when my husband shows me where he’s shaky and I get to love him up and support him. Maybe if I was with a partner who had major issues and always falling apart I would have a problem with it, but my problem would be with the fact that his life is a mess, not that he has access to his emotions? At this point in my life I couldn’t consider being with a man who bottled up his reality around me. There are lots of different women in the world with different attitudes about this stuff so I would be careful of generalizing. Best of luck.

jesustan1989 · 2023-11-03T01:40:04+00:00

From a rational point of view, I wonder why these guys would date women that they can't be vulnerable with. I can sit here and tell you that there are women out there who will support you emotionally in your time of vulnerability, but if you believe that that's just not possible for the female nature, then I don't know what else to say. Have you ever thought that perhaps your approach to finding a life partner should be re-examined? Instead of settling down with any pretty face, or anyone that gives you attention, perhaps you should have some self respect and find a woman that cares about you.

TotalTravesty · 2023-11-03T01:26:54+00:00

Did I miss the part where you actually cried in front of your girlfriend and it blew up the relationship? Because after several very unfortunate rereads it looks like you went away to cry alone, blamed your girlfriend for something she never did because you never gave her the chance to do it, and are now telling us to change your view even though you provided the opposite of evidence.

his_purple_majesty · 2023-11-03T01:40:14+00:00

Firstly i am not judging women for this, why would i?

Because anyone who would see you as a bitch/weak man and would blow up the relationship over you crying over your friend's death is an utter piece of shit. I'll happily judge the fuck out of them.

However, in this case, you're just assuming she would do that.

DumbDumbDatingPhD100 · 2023-11-02T23:56:02+00:00

I have cried in front of many women for totally real and legit reasons. I still had sex/relationships/etc with all of them. Nothing “changed” after I was emotional.

It didn’t matter because they were already attracted to me, dating me, sleeping with me, etc.

While I’m sure there are men who get dumped after that, I know many, myself included, didn’t.

I would be interested in any data on this, because there are anecdotes both ways.

BaiKingu · 2023-11-03T02:23:03+00:00

This take is so insanely psychotic & feeding into men’s poor mental health because it’s a common manischere talking point.

There’s no statistics to argue this point either way so you’ll just say women are psychos who hate emotions so you’re just forced to always be stoic.

For the love of GOD please if you’re a man and a woman you’re dating cannot tolerate you showing negative emotions at all, LEAVE. Literally.

It’s actually so sad y’all believe this shit.

acorn735764 · 2023-11-03T04:04:41+00:00

I’ve seen each and everyone of my boyfriend’s cry multiple times and I have never judged them for it. If you’re that concerned about your girlfriend judging you after your friend’s DEATH, then maybe she isn’t the one for you.

Welllarmedhippie · 2023-11-03T00:35:33+00:00

You stole this from a video.

Dry-Plum-1566 · 2023-11-02T23:56:38+00:00

Its not a "reality" at all lol

I've had no problem being emotional in front of plenty of women, whether they are a girlfriend, friend or family.

If they have a problem with you being human then they are not worth your time

Aromatic_Ad5473 · 2023-11-03T01:32:05+00:00

If you can’t be emotionally vulnerable around your partner, you’ve chosen the wrong partner

zoxzoxzo · 2023-11-02T23:56:31+00:00

„As a Man you should never be emotional/weak infront off you‘re Girl“

As much as I wish this wasn't true, my experience showed me differently. Almost every girlfriend to whom I opened up and allowed myself to be emotional about something very tough that I was going (or went) through, suddenly lost a big chunk of attraction towards me. It's kinda sad when I think about it, but I guess that's just how things are and I mostly learned my lesson.

jazzmaster1992 · 2023-11-03T01:52:55+00:00

Lately, whenever I see posts or comments like "all men are like X" or "women only want Y" I have to wonder if it's confirmation bias, selective memory, or people subconsciously selecting for partners and relationships who repeat the same behavior and patterns and claiming everyone is the same because of it.

Yeah, there's women who don't like men crying or showing weakness. But I've definitely known and seen women who cared for and comforted their partners through some pretty burdening and trying things. There are genuinely kind and considerate women out there.

What's sort of revealing is some of the comments in this thread which go something like "all the girlfriends I've had left me after I showed weakness". Ignoring all of the missing context or the obvious common denominator here, did you ever stop to think that a woman losing interest because she didn't like you opening up or being "weak" means she was not a good fit for you? You're already arriving at a conclusion that women universally despise male emotions, without digging deeper to question things like: "do I consistently choose women who seem like they would not like my emotional vulnerability because I don't think I can do better", or "do I conflate 'opening up' with 'making my girlfriend the only emotional outlet in my life and expecting her to be my therapist'"?

I'm sure there is a precedent to men feeling like they are pressured to not display emotions and weakness in relationships, and as a broader societal issue. I just don't believe that women specifically are all the same in that they universally feel disgust and resentment for men who are anything but the embodiment of PUA Chads.

GrassToucher29 · 2023-11-03T01:57:32+00:00

If your gf leaves you over mourning the loss of your friend like a normal human being, you’re dodging a bullet. You don’t have to hide or repress your emotions around your partner in a healthy relationship.

My husband has cried in front of me several times, and I still have the utmost love and respect for him as a man.

Vyan_of_Yierdimfeil · 2023-11-03T06:31:28+00:00

The saddest reality is convincing yourself you have to live with someone who makes you feel like you can't be emotional. Honestly, that's the saddest part from all of this.

ADP_God · 2023-11-03T09:31:54+00:00

Read Models by Mark Manson and it will change your mind. True strength is the ability to be vulnerable.

Fit_Dark_6918 · 2023-11-03T00:13:16+00:00

Based on what reality? Your experience with one shitty girl? Why do you want to believe negative shit with no evidence?

T12J7M6 · 2023-11-03T03:01:00+00:00

I think this is the reason why many women end up with alcoholic men. That is because alcohol numbs your emotions so men who drink a lot appear "mentally stronger" to women, when they are never sad due to just turning to alcohol.

Maybe not a topic to this sub, but I have also found that other stuff numbs the emotions also, which I use to my advantage, since they allow me to just be unfazed by anything (people, situations, treatment, opinions, realities of life). Like ones you numb your negative emotions you don't really miss them - you're just logical and functional -kind of like a more useful person.

Fast_Stick_1593 · 2023-11-03T04:50:29+00:00

While my financè is totally fine with me experiencing emotion (not that I cry in front of her very often), the fact that ANY girl at all views a guy differently after crying is disgusting and they need to do better.

I would hope that people realise emotion is a HUMAN thing not gendered.

And I’m not referring to crying when you drop a glass when it smashes, I doubt pretty much any guy is crying over something that insignificant. I’m talking about real reasons to cry. Life changing stuff.

Pola_Lita · 2023-11-03T06:37:56+00:00

Why this hurts me so much is because you can‘t be yourself, you have to mindcontrol you so hard to never lack, it is brutal.

This doesn't make sense. Either everyone is ruled by biological parameters or they're not.

If women are, then men are as well. Which means that you wouldn't have to worry about "mindcontrolling" yourself because, due to your own biology, you aren't going to cry.

From a RATIONAL POV, I think people may be influenced by their biology as well as their experiences, their upbringing, their individual personality and their own logic.

That means actions and beliefs are going to vary from person to person, including what defines unacceptable weakness in men.

Nihi1986 · 2023-11-03T13:51:25+00:00

This has always been misunderstood...

As a man, you can be emotional and show weakness, what matters is if she perceives the weakness to be a potential problem for specific issues: 'I'm never going to land a decent job/ never going to finish this career'... What if he's right? You spread your insecurity and she might consider those things of crucial importance.

Often, women will want you to open up and become emotional so you become more manipulable and dependant, it throws you off your position of power.

Your role and perceived masculinity matters too, if she initially wanted a type of guy and you become something different, that matters...but the opposite scenario is true, if she wanted and expected a reasonably emotional man and you are never emotional, she'll be dissapointed with that.

The key is being emotional while confident.

The problem is that we sometimes can't be ourselves, you might want to cry for a few days or to not cry at all and she might or might not be fine about that, but there's no rule about it.

The thread here will ger flooded with stories of how a man cried and that made his relationship even better, and they will disregard the context and assume that being emotional or weak in front of your romantic interest is always fine, which is not the case.

tHiShiTiStooPID · 2023-11-03T22:13:13+00:00

Depressing but 100% true. Having her see you cry in an extreme situation, like a death, will not flip that switch, but cry about little stuff, or do it often, and you drop into the bitch category. Same is true of discussing your feelings or problems. Save that for your male friends. This is not what you should talk to your girl about.

VoltairesBarista · 2023-11-02T23:31:21+00:00

I can’t say showing weakness infront of women has ever hurt my dating life, if anything it helps it

ConanTheCybrarian · 2023-11-03T01:00:32+00:00

First, sorry about your loss.

Second, while I really don't buy into the whole Redpill business (as I understand it), I will acknowledge that the way our society is currently structured, toxic masculinity expects men to be "strong" and equates any emotion other than anger (which IS an emotion) with "weakness."

Men get (and reinforce in each other) the idea that showing these emotions is also weak and [I'll skip the speech about the patriarchy but] when a system says and reinforces something, then all people participating in the system end up being taught and socially expected to reinforce it as well. Since the primary system in place now says men = strong = no sad, most people in the system believe or at least publicly reinforce it. That's how hegemony works and stays in place.

All of that to say that- the way things currently are- it's actually fair to believe many to most people will see you as weak if you cry.

In reality, though, these things are far more nuanced than people like to present here.

Men have emotions other than anger. Even if they are taught to sublimate them. Everyone knows this; including women.

If a woman loves and cares for you and is in touch with her own emotions in a healthy way, she will not only be fine with you crying, but it will be a bonding opportunity. There is a difference between being emotional in front of "women" as a monolith and being emotional in front of one's partner.

The expression of these emotions is vulnerable, not weak and there is a subtle but important difference. Studies about good leadership show that vulnerability is actually a strength in leaders, for example (see Brene Brown's body of research). Any time we can show honest vulnerability, we are being strong.

Animals in fear or danger do not expose their bellies. It's a boss move to confidently expose your vulnerability.

The tough parts about this are:

trusting people with this vulnerability
knowing who to trust with it. Not all women are the one who will hold space for your emotions

My question is this: Imagine you do cry in front of your partner. What would be the ideal way you'd like her to respond?

My guess is you'd like her to be warm, comforting, compassionate and understanding.

And therein lies the rub:

if you don't trust a partner with your emotions, you cannot truly build intimacy in the relationship

no intimacy is a recipe for them to seem cold or disengaged

them seeming disengaged makes you feel they won't receive your vulnerability

this creates a self-fullfilling prophecy loop

tl;dr:

you're right that most of society would see men crying as weak in many cases

you can cry in front of a woman with whom you have built trust and intimacy. It will actually make you look strong and deepen your connection.

Vulnerability is not weakness but it is conflated with it. In order to have the type of intimacy necessary to make this safe, you have to trust the woman with your emotions but this is vulnerable.

For many, that is too scary, so they settle for the type of connection that won't allow for the intimacy necessary to respond in the way they actually want. Then they get upset they don't have it.

kamalaophelia · 2023-11-03T05:16:11+00:00

First: my heartfelt condolences to you, losing someone is hard, and crying about that is simply human.

Could it be that many guys on this sub’s type is “emotionally unavailable women”? Maybe stemming from trauma? “Making this icy person love me means I made it and can like myself!” That was me a few years ago, but with men. I was only attracting and attracted to often diagnosed narcissists, because my dad was one and my mindset of “If I make one of them love me, I am perfect enough to finally love myself” but also thought all men are narcissistic abusers because duh, I gave only them my attention.Of course, it was years of therapy that made me realize that subconscious behavior.

The moment I realized my pattern… I ignored abusive men, saw all the good and sweet ones, was approached by them and approached them, and am now in a happy relationship.

A relationship that was saved by him crying after a difficult time, so I realized he really, really cares for me and us. Or when he feels sad and I offer my arms he snuggles into me instead of being ashamed of it. I can spoil and love him and pour all my love into him, and so does he with me. There is healthy, conversation and for that one needs vulnerability.

Imo, if you can not be all yourself in a relationship, with tears and needs without meeting anger or rejection. It’s not a relationship, it so a roommates that fuck situation.

januaryphilosopher · 2023-11-03T06:51:24+00:00

If you keep being afraid that your partner will leave you for basic human emotions, you need to either a) pick better or b) get a grip on reality. The majority of women aren't going to see you as a "bitch" for expressing sadness, so it says something about you if you're paranoid about it: either you picked someone you can't trust, or you've deluded yourself into thinking things about your partner that ultimately might break your relationship anyway. Most of the times when a man expresses emotions in a relationship, nothing bad happens, but these stories are easily ignored because they're not shocking or exciting.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2023-11-03T00:29:49+00:00

i am not judging women for this, why would i? Humans act on biological parameters.

First of all, don’t lie to us or yourself. You wouldn’t feel compelled enough to make this post if you didn’t have some resentment about this. “They can’t help it, it’s their biology” arguments are almost always an attempt to veil hard feelings, even coming from me.

Second, there’s a difference between crying or doing something weird in front of someone who might be sexually interested in you but otherwise doesn’t know you, versus crying within a committed LTR. If we said “it’s kind of weird to show a lot of emotion in front of a casual acquaintance when compared to your best friend” no one would disagree with that statement.

But hey, if you want rational discussion, this paper measures male and female responses to images of males and females crying:

In males, the willingness to help was significantly lower for a crying male than a crying female. Women did not display this dou- ble standard. Thus, men benefited more from crying when observed by a woman than by a man. Consequently, our preregistered hypothesis that men will display more willing- ness to help tear-displaying women than men was supported.

Present findings show that people are not only readier to help a crying person, but also to have a heightened perception of helplessness of him or her. This effect mostly explains the relationship between tears and increased willingness to help. Examining male and female participants separately, total mediation occurs. In female participants, the connectedness with the crying individual further mediated this relationship.

While the last excerpt above is poorly written, I think the section in bold supports my claim that a woman’s level of familiarity and intimacy with you matters.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2023-11-02T23:54:27+00:00

Any time you ask an internet poster for an example of would fit that, they will always bring up a FICTIONAL character. Because that’s the only way to be that way: not be real. Not be human. Only exist in the minds of what some guy thinks is strong.

And inevitably they’ll look online to “find ways to get that way” (which is where they got the idea in the first place. And some grifter will go “that’s the only way! To not show any weakness. And I CAN show you (be sure to like and subscribe)” And they’ll watch all his videos and “still feel things” so they’ll watch more maybe even buy into a “program”. But they’ll STILL fail. Because it’s impossible not to hand feelings as a human. But they will be told “it’s cause you’re not strong enough! You need more practice! And watch more of my content! And superchat me a question!” And when it still won’t work they get more and low upset because “they still aren’t strong enough”.

And now they feel despair. Because it’s obvious they are “too weak” to ever be “that masculine”. Instead of the truth which is: you aren’t a robot. Stop trying to be. And besides, no one gets turned on by a robot anyways

Salt_Mathematician24 · 2023-11-02T23:47:18+00:00

I feel you guys just say "biology" for anything you've convinced yourself of as sort of shield. Unless you can prove there is an undisputed gene in the body that automatically repulses women from male emotion?

I would refused to marry a guy that never showed emotion. I'd see it as a red flag. Don't be a weepy little pansy but show you care about stuff and just understand social interaction with other humans. Romance involves strong emotion, you can't have it without.

Instead of trying to be a cookie cutter stereotype of an idealized alpha male, how about you just be a human being that happens to be of the male sex? You will seem more confident that way. The alpha male crap is more of a male fantasy anyway (both gay and straight). Women prefer a healthy, balanced mix of both masculine and feminine traits.

LadyLazarus2021 · 2023-11-03T00:40:58+00:00

Sorry man. I loved my husband more when he was willing to show me his “weak” side - and it isn’t weak to cry over a lost friend. I held my husband when he cried over his close friend’s death or his father’s death.

mrs_seng · 2023-11-03T00:25:46+00:00

I was with my husband (then boyfriend) when his mom called to break the terrible news that a very close friend of his died in a car crash.

He cried instantly and i found it to be a very normal reaction after hearing such sad news. Not for one second i thought of him as a pussy or crybaby. I cryed with him and tried to be as supportive as possible.

Men should show emotions. The death of someone close is a horror scenario.

thisreallyisnotok · 2023-11-02T23:24:27+00:00

People who are afraid of showing emotions are bitches. Lots of men are bitches in this way.

People who afraid of being shown emotions are bitches. Lots of women are bitches in this way.

Fuck a bitch

I’d be like this to your gf “oh did me crying make your pussy dry?!?! Boohoo that’s ok I don’t want to fuck you again anyway” you can still own your emotions and be in control.

Love-Is-Selfish · 2023-11-03T02:58:10+00:00

Firstly i am not judging women for this, why would i? Humans act on biological parameters, therefore it isnt women’s fault. They cant control it.

Let’s be rational. You’re arguing from the position of determinism. Men and women are determined by biology to be a certain way. But men and women have free will, so that’s completely wrong. Where’s your proof?

And no i am not saying „if you cry once its over.“ no, but if you trigger the switch where she sees you (subconsciously so its not her fault) as a bit*h its over. The Relationship will sooner or later end.

You’re not explaining yourself clearly. On the one hand, you say you’re not saying if you cry once it’s over. In direct contradiction to this, you’re saying in your title that you should never be emotional or weak (which aren’t the same things at all!) in front of your girlfriend. So which is it?

Yeah, you shouldn’t be a “bitch”, crying over nothing. But that’s not the same thing at all as crying appropriately or being emotional.

I know it is, but i also believe i am in the right here because i know many instances where this scenario costed a relationship.

This literally means nothing rationally. It says nothing about what sort of woman was in the relationship. If you’re dating a woman who’s so garbage as to dump you for crying about losing a friend, then yes she’s going to dump you for that. Just like if you’re dating an antisemite and reveal you’re a Jew, then she’s going to dump you for that as well. If you’re dating a fraudster, she’s probably going to dump you if you turn her into the police. But that doesn’t mean you should be dating any of them and doesn’t say anything about women who are worth dating. It also says nothing about whether the man was showing emotion appropriately.

kitterkatty · 2023-11-03T04:21:26+00:00

That’s what moms and dads are for, in the best type of family but so many guys don’t have it. 😞 I’m sorry for your loss.

exaltedhero355 · 2023-11-03T05:27:42+00:00

If I am so sad by some news that I cannot stop myself from crying. I do not give a shit about any woman who will view me as weak afterwards. They can fck off.

AngeCruelle · 2023-11-03T06:04:24+00:00

Different women (and men for that matter) have different expectations in terms of how they handle/tolerate their SO's emotions. Sometimes hiding them will benefit your relationship. Sometimes it will be actively harmful.

I was raised with a similar mentality, that men like women who are graceful, flirty, and playful. Crying is ugly, what man likes red eyes and snot everywhere. Go do that somewhere he can't see you. Take a walk, take a drive, do it literally anywhere else but in his sight. Don't go back to him until your eyes are clear, the tear stains are gone, and you're ready to smile again.

It wasn't until fairly recently that I became interested in learning to be more open and vulnerable with the men I date. It isn't easy. My impulse once I've cried in front of a man is to avoid him at all costs. This created issues in my most recent relationship, because it worried the shit out of him to see me withdraw like that when he knew I wasn't okay. He felt like a failure when he couldn't be there to comfort and support me. The men in my family are different. They aren't "shoulder to cry on" types. They see it as natural to give your girlfriend or wife space to compose herself before she returns to you.

peteryansexypotato · 2023-11-03T07:47:13+00:00

The video posted a day ago or whenever isn't indicative of much. The crying guy mogged her. She knew it. He knows it. Therefore, he doesn't care, because she did a pre-emptive strike based on a made up reason. That was my take away. A 9/10 guy can do whatever he wants as much as a 9/10 lady. If he hit on her immediately after that production, she'd go with him.

YveisGrey · 2023-11-03T12:35:23+00:00

You’re girlfriend would likely be supportive of you during this difficult time. Very few women would judge a man for being upset and crying over a friends death. If anything it would be seen as you being a caring person who loved your friend. I personally would find it off if my bf’s friend died and he showed no emotions about it, I would think he was a cold person.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2023-11-03T12:43:24+00:00

Pretending not to be sad about your friend dying for a woman is classic "hoes before bros". Very sad.

shmupsy · 2023-11-03T13:42:42+00:00

Sometimes I think a lot of redpill science is really just the science of dating floozies.

My wife is actually disturbed at my lack of emotion. I wish I could change it, but I just can't drop that armor and cry sometimes

WilliamWyattD · 2023-11-03T14:53:32+00:00

Something is wrong if men are wanting to act in a way that women find repellent. I think this is some weird distortion of male nature. Evolutionarily, we had male-female feedback loops on most things such that, in general, what is attractive to the other gender also conforms with male or female nature.

Women are in some ways defying their nature to be more masculine, but there are at least some compelling reasons why they want to try to do that. I see no reason why men should be thinking 'I wanna be a weakass bitch; if only that wouldn't make my woman stop fucking me'.

There have always been uniquely masculine ways to show and manage emotions that are still attractive to women. They tend to have a common thread, but the specifics vary. The Iliad has Bronze Age gigachad alpha warriors like pulling their hair out in grief. So the core frame that women need is something deeper. Not sure exactly what it is--I think it has to do with resoluteness somehow. You cannot seem defeated like a woman can; but otherwise, there is a lot of emotion you can show, depending on the culture.

We need to find an updated masculine ideal for a lot of stuff, including emotional display, management and supporting other men. But I feel strongly that the feminine therapeutic path is NOT the right one for men, or the women who need to find their men attractive.

Flightlessbirbz · 2023-11-03T15:30:49+00:00

If you can’t be emotionally vulnerable with your girl, she is not the one. I’m not denying that some women are like that. Just like with some men, you can’t gain a few pounds or be “ugly” in front of them. But they aren’t relationship material if that’s the case. Same goes for women who don’t support you when you’re vulnerable. Because in a relationship, you’re gonna have times when you’re just not at your best. You can’t have a relationship without ever being vulnerable.

Green-Quantity1032 · 2023-11-03T22:25:15+00:00

If you're weak for no reason and it happens more than twice a year - yeah, it's an issue.

But a friend dying, as long as you're not entirely losing your shit - you're allowed to show emotions.

Sure, maybe some girls have real issues regarding men showing emotions in response to dire events - most normal girls don't.

Vibat0 · 2023-11-06T05:49:18+00:00

Unfortunately 99% of the time she will use it against you or bring it up during an irrelevant argument.

Lina-Inverse · 2023-11-03T00:33:57+00:00

You can be emotional to a certain extent that's fine, as long as you are fully in control of the emotions you show.

But for gods sake leave the crying in front of other people to women and children. People will come to the aid of women and children crying. No one is coming to help you as a man if you cry.

If you have to cry do it alone or see a therapist.

It's not really a brutal reality in the slightest. It seems so at first when you first realise it, but it is one of the best things about being a man and in the long run it is extremely cathartic and stabilising. It really, forces you to stay grounded and be prepared mentally and proactively solve problems ahead of time so you never get into such an emotional state to begin with, because that's game over in all aspects of life.

Crying in front of almost anyone has all downsides ZERO upsides. Crying in front of female partner is far to risky and if something is so terrible it makes you cry as a man, chances are there is nothing the woman can do anyway to fix it, so what's the point.

Seems hard at first, trust me I was like that when i was younger, unable to control my emotions, be they happy or sad. You can be yourself and not cry in front of people, you can show emotions without crying in front of people

You are basically exposing your deepest weaknesses that will be exploited later on for no benefit.

drok007 · 2023-11-02T23:29:44+00:00

It’s not that you can never be emotional, it’s that you can’t be like the men on this subreddit who cry when a woman says some man somewhere is ugly or she got crept on once. If the word misandry is in your vocabulary, you are too sensitive.

naturalirnawt · 2023-11-02T23:13:50+00:00

I personally think someone afraid to be emotional in front of their girlfriend is a B*tch. Toughen up and be a man about your feelings instead of trying to hide them like some sissy.

AdhesivenessLevel379 · 2023-11-02T23:41:11+00:00

I feel sad for guys who really believe this. I’ve seen my fiancé cry multiple times and all it’s ever done is bought us closer. I’d be far more upset if he bottled stuff from me, everyone needs a cry now and then.

What is interesting is that the men I know are more comfortable opening up to women (their gfs, friends, sisters etc) than the men in their lives.

AreOut · 2023-11-03T09:18:11+00:00

this is why bluepilled "just be yourself" is crazy stupid "advice", because when you "just be yourself" then she will leave you very shortly

Special-Possession44 · 2023-11-02T23:49:10+00:00

never ever show weakness to a girl. never discuss your problems with her. never complain or whine to her or tell you went to the hospital or show any sign of weakness. my athletic friends girlfriend left him after he had an accident and went to hospital.

jamie29ky · 2023-11-03T01:37:34+00:00

I'm sure it is tough to live thinking you're not allowed to even express sorrow for a loved one. My husband lost his dad semi-recently. Sometime after, he sent me a link with Jordan Peterson telling about how men can't cry at their dad's funeral because they have to be tough for everyone around them. That's not true at all. I told him it was not true. Cry. Bawl your eyes out. You're still a man. I pointed out that Jordan Peterson was on the brink of tears saying that because it was such a hurtful memory of not being able to cry when he needed to. But in this video, he is still telling men to do as he did and hold it in, to be a man. Men are the ones keeping this harmful thing going and its getting projected onto women. I've never told a man how to be manly. And Btw, my husband has cried in front of me probably a handful of times since we've been together and I still love him the same. I guess my biological revulsion or whatever women are supposed to have is broken.

begayallday · 2023-11-03T01:48:10+00:00

This is just my opinion, but any woman who would think less of you for having appropriate emotions is not worth keeping around. You deserve to be supported and cared for through a traumatic and difficult situation.

SupposedlySapiens · 2023-11-03T03:59:10+00:00

If your girlfriend judges you negatively for showing normal human emotions, she is not the type of woman you want in your life.

You want to know what actually makes you seem like a bitch? Being afraid to cry.

SteveSan82 · 2023-11-03T04:59:15+00:00

Learned that the hard way

Mobile_Nothing_1686 · 2023-11-03T07:13:58+00:00

Get a better girlfriend if that's an issue. Some people can't handle people being emotional, I know I don't know what to do when someone cries (male or female). I get them tea, a bucket to vomit, and tissues... I don't know any women who would see their man differently, I do know men who find it awkward. But experience says nothing about statistics, I'm also European, we're less weird like that. Also; condolences on your friend that's rough.

According-Jelly1719 · 2023-11-03T07:25:40+00:00

Humans act on biological parameters, therefore it isnt women’s fault. They cant control it.

Men can control their desire for violence, control and sex but women should let their instincts run free?
No, fuck this bullshit

diggydiggydark · 2023-11-03T12:10:55+00:00

I find it extremely sad that this is a debate in the first place.

controllrevival · 2023-11-03T04:03:59+00:00

Honestly, I cry in front of my gf. I’m kinda emotional sometimes. We have been together for three years. Maybe because I box and she has seen me in matches before, and I’m also pretty large (over six feet barefoot), but she hasn’t leafy yet. She says that she actually likes that I am emotional, so honestly, I’m gonna say that this is bs and depends on the woman

Crafty_Letter_1719 · 2023-11-03T03:06:50+00:00

In general OP is right. It’s unfortunate but a man displaying vulnerability is a massive turn off for most woman. When a woman says she wants a guy to be more in touch with his emotions what she really means is she wants him to be more in touch with her emotions. Woman want strong and stoic men. That’s just the way it is.

However there are circumstantial exceptions. Crying over the death of a loved one won’t cause most woman to lose respect for a guy. In fact if a guy is too emotionless at the absolute extreme moments in life she is likely to wonder whether she is with a sociopath.

MyHouseOnMars- · 2023-11-03T01:49:39+00:00

guys you can't complain about not being able to express your feelings and simultaneously be against showing feelings

stop the victim mentality, stop asking for permission for doing stuff

show those feelings and fuck whoever doesn't like it

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Safinated · 2023-11-02T23:56:25+00:00

I’m meaner, more impatient, more impulsive, and have a worse temper than my partner. Thus, it’s a good thing he has feelings, understanding, generosity, flexibility and appeasement to spare

pyth0ns · 2023-11-03T01:05:41+00:00

Bro... You need to leave your girl, asap!

If you're having these inner feelings/turmoils in breaking down and crying over something as huge as the death of your friend, coz you are afraid your girl will think you're weak... She is not the one for you.

Ectoplasmic1984 · 2023-11-03T03:42:51+00:00

well duh what else is new

Excellent_Badger123 · 2023-11-03T03:24:09+00:00

3 marriages & a bunch of boyfriends…I’ve seen most all of them shed a few tears along the way & never had problem with it or loss of attraction over it. Men are human after all.

MateriallyDetatched · 2023-11-03T04:18:33+00:00

In my rational opinion? Why tf are you with a woman you're too scared to cry in front of? Like how is that even an enjoyable state of existence?

Yes, nobody likes to see men acting "weak" like crying, but if a woman actually loves you then she won't judge you for crying and will support you.

cast-away-ramadi06 · 2023-11-03T05:29:30+00:00

It's amazing how few problems you have when you stop dating shit people.

Ok-Process-9795 · 2023-11-03T06:21:24+00:00

You don't see people as people. Men have emotions. It's not unusual to see a woman who is soft and curvy. All men have emotions. We are never going to find a guy who doesn't need emotional support. That expectation is not natural because nature would never satisfy it.

It is fair and accurate to say we are conditioned by society to think men don't or shouldn't need emotional support. Society sets people up with unattainable expectations all of the time.

Would-Be-Superhero · 2023-11-03T11:19:01+00:00

Then explain why the poets from the Romantic period had so many women swooning over them while they were writing about their emotions.

FungalEnterprises · 2023-11-03T13:59:21+00:00

The best way to explain this incredibly broad generalization is: Crying in front of your girl never helps the relationship.

It's always best to control your emotions. She respects emotional stability.

Turbulent-Tonight975 · 2023-11-03T03:52:41+00:00

If a man shows legitimate emotion for a situtation that warrants it (your friend dying absolutely meets this criteria), then a woman should be okay with that. I will note a difference in if men are just hyperemotional and cry about stupid things like being upset that the restaurant you want to eat at closed and you have to find a new place.

If a woman cannot accept a man crying because of something like a friend dying, it shows that this is not a woman who is relationship material. If she is so emotionally immature to think men should never be affected by very difficult things, it shows she herself is not the type of woman who deserves to be taken seriously.

Avoiding what are normal and healthy emotions because your woman might not be able to handle it is not a good mentality. If she cannot handle it then find a woman with some emotional maturity to be your next girlfriend- it reflects on her not you.

WillyDonDilly69 · 2023-11-03T18:49:42+00:00

I find idiotic your analogy that you compare on the same level thatvwomen can't have any sympathy/empathy towards their partner to men liking if women are kind/good looking. Like how can you compare it and think it as normal realoty in both cases.

Commercial-Engineer3 · 2023-11-03T20:48:39+00:00

I think if you cry over someone close dying I don't think a sane woman would lose respect for you for doing that. However, if you cry over someone cutting you off in traffic and you pour it on thick to your girlfriend about how much it hurt you....yeah she might lose respect for you for something like that.

NotMattDamien · 2023-11-03T01:40:30+00:00

Cry in front of her once and it’s over (except 1 once for close family). It’s her green card to cheat or leave

sniper1905 · 2023-11-03T05:28:52+00:00

If the average response of a man being vulnerable with his woman is 1. Supporting you 2. Taking care of you 3. Still respects you 4. Seeks out solutions with you 5. Validates your pain

Do you think guys would NOT be vulnerable with women?

The vast, vast, vast majority of men would have NO problem being vulnerable with their woman.

Not all women will shame you being vulnerable, but there are ENOUGH women out there that will shame you, so it’s best to be cautious about being vulnerable.

Break up? Sure, but the average guy gets little to no options a year, so he has to make a decision, high risk high reward:

Be vulnerable and potentially have a women who helps OR shames you
Don’t be vulnerable, so don’t take that risk.

When you’re the average guy and get average options, maybe it is best to take option 2.

KikiYuyu · 2023-11-03T07:39:36+00:00

All men should cry in front of their lady to weed out the toxic ones. You can tell me not to bring up toxicity but I'm going to ignore that. You shouldn't want to be in a toxic relationship.

What's the point of coming online to discuss how to keep awful toxic relationships?

obviousredflag · 2023-11-03T09:30:17+00:00

Humans act on biological parameters, therefore it isnt women’s fault. They cant control it.

Why this hurts me so much is because you can‘t be yourself, you have to mindcontrol you so hard to never lack, it is brutal.

What do you think about this topic from a RATIONAL point of view?

Most men are not as weak and consumed by emotional states as you are. They don't have to mindcontrol themselves so hard, it's their basic state of being. The evolutionary benefits of being in control of emotions is clear for men.Evolution and culture (especially in he last century) has lead men as a whole (at least in the West) to a point where women actively request that men show more emotion again, maybe the level that would be present without cultural influences of the past century.

This request is twisted by overly emotional men into "you want emotions and now my emotions are too much for you". Yes, you emotions are too much, because you are the freak outlier at >95% of the expressed trait spectrum. When women say they want men to show more emotions, they talk about the mean value, 50th percentile, to slightly shift to the more emotions expressed side of the spectrum, but not to a 97th percentile crybaby that can't act rationally when consumed by emotions that get triggered left and right.

Same thing with kind men. Women fucking love kind men, but a normal level of kindness, not 97th percentile kindness that turns into niceguy people pleasing super insecure doormat i don't stand up for my own interests "kindness".

I am a super rational guy, very good at emotional regulation, to the point where men and women feel uneasy, because they think a certain topic is weirdly not affecting me enough emotionally, so they think i don't take it seriously. Me showing more emotions is greatly appreciated by women. They THANK me for it. Because they need that to connect with me, to know i am in it just as much as they are. When i talk about a moving experience that touches me emotionally and i don't control it, but let my voice crack, my eyes get wet and unable to finish sentences without struggling for composure, the women in my life are deeply positively affected and drawn to me. They value connecting with me on an emotional level. They value me being vulnerable with them, where i could just as well be totally composed and rational. It's a choice. I am in control and i allow myself to be emotional with them, letting them in on my inner workings. Women love that.

And i observe the same with other men who have a normal level of showing emotions and who really touch women and get seens as a more desirable man for having and showing emotional states.

You are way off with your emotional regulation. You should DOWNREGULATE your showing of emotions and increase emotional control, to get to the most desired spot on the spectrum. Most other men should do the opposite and drop cultural notions from last century, where any sign of having emotional states was labeled as unmanly. You can read up on why that was the case.

Monistatvii · 2023-11-03T15:40:34+00:00

It's OK to let a tear or two drop. But no sniveling, blubbering or bawling. That's what cements in a woman's brain that you are a bitch.

AceOfSpadesGymBro1 · 2023-11-02T23:50:11+00:00

That's 100% unadulterated bullshit. What women find unattractive is when men get into self pity pukes without taking any responsibility for improving their situation.

If a woman leaves you because you cried over your friend, all I can say is good riddance.

If a woman leaves you because you can't stop lamenting losing your hair or being short and feeling sorry for yourself, she may have a point.

idk_sideaccount · 2023-11-03T09:17:47+00:00

This is an insane concept to me. I cried multiple times in front of my boyfriend, my boyfriend cried multiple times in front of me. I've never seen him as any lesser, I feel like being vulnerable with each other makes the relationship stronger. Why the hell are you dating someone that will throw you away like trash if she sees you crying? I can assure you this is not a common thing that women do... At least women who aren't complete sociopath. Like what are you doing in a relationship if you can't even cry?

Everythinghastags · 2023-11-03T12:13:00+00:00

My girlfriend complains that I should have more emotions other than anger and horny.

So I dont think so.

Particular-Jello3875 · 2023-11-03T15:32:53+00:00

Lmfao what? My hubby still tears up to sad movies with me. And we cry together when were feeling down. Wanna know why? Because its healthy to let it out and not keep it in, because holding in emotions leads to depression, anger issues and other emotional dysregulation.

Not every MAN feels the need to hide their emotions and not ever WOMAN looks down on men for having them.

Abysswalker55117 · 2023-11-03T15:43:36+00:00

I am so sorry you had to experience that. No one deserves this treatment or be with another that would judge vulnerability. Just because it’s been your experience it isnt the gospel truth. Just like I try not to use my negative experiences with men to paint them in an animalistic light. This is just a case by case basis.

My husband cries in front of me and shows emotion. When he opened up to me the first time when we were dating and I saw him cry, I fell deeper in love. It showed me that he is strong! It showed me he had a big heart.

We have sex at least 5 times a week lol maybe more. So I really don’t know what kind of women you are picking out or are around with.

Men in your situation should probably vet who you date better so it doesn’t skew your reality. It’s an individual judge of character problem. A man who puts up a “strong” front and doesn’t show any emotion is weak and immature. Probably thinks anger is the only emotion appropriate at all times. A very troubling red flag to the average woman.

Irys-likethe-Eye · 2023-11-03T17:14:17+00:00

Listen, putting yourself out there means you are making yourself vulnerable to the varieties of human dispositions. Sometimes we make unwitting mistakes and date jerks. They come in all genders and all ages. Just like some guys smugly tell chicks that they picked wrong when she complains that hers treated her badly, that advice is good for the gander and the goose. All relationships require some manner of sacrifice but it should never be your own emotional honesty or ability to show your feelings. Be satisfied you learned who they actually are and how they plan on treating you and close that door. Move on. Find somebody new and try again, hopefully better armed with experience and better standards for yourself.

First date I went on with my fiancee, he almost got into a physical altercation. It didn't ultimately come to fruitation and so his addrenilan was spiking and he cried on his front steps with me next to him, then we banged like drunk monkeys. Having been in the same situation once myself I knew it was not him being emotionally weak, it was just a physical response and not a big deal. Those chemicals needed to run their course. I've seen him cry over a friends death that just happened and repeatedly over the death of his school friends father that happened 20 years ago. Hell I've seen him cry over the song piano man by Billy Joel. I've seen him cry for putting off seeing his grandmother in hospice because he didn't know how to face it and the contemplation that one day his own father will pass. I do not think any less of him and I certainly don't think he's weak. He is mentally strong and emotionally pliant. I have never had the faith in anybody like I do him. I love him so much it still stutters my breath over a decade later.

The real brutal reality that men need to accept is that most of you pick your chick based solely on her face and body while disregarding every thing else about her as a person, and then wonder why she doesn't attend to any of your other needs. Like she's got great tits but she goes crazy twice a week and throws shit and breaks your stuff. But those tits though, ammarite?

I see a lot of dudes on here complaining about the "betabux" bullshit. Most of those women just learned life lessons and started choosing men on a less physical standard and more realistic ones that are better foundations for real long lasting love and trust. Meanwhile you are reinforcing the male centric thought process that it's normal for a "man" (term indicating an age of maturity)to be with a "girl"(term indicating an age of immaturity). The brutal truth is guys need to stop telling each other that is totally ok to think with your dick because of "biological drive" and ridicule the needs of your heart until it's too late to recover from your mistakes without the serious self reflection that informs you that you are the architect of your own problems due to your repeated choices.

Melthengylf · 2023-11-03T21:56:15+00:00

Have some dignity and break with the woman with whom you do not trust to cry because of the death of your friend.

Professional-Dog-265 · 2023-11-04T11:35:33+00:00

Personally I find it incredibly touching when a man cries infront of me. It shows a deep level of trust and I am always very thankful if someone chooses to confide with their feelings in this way. It helps me understand and communicate the strength of their feelings too.

For me, it's a completely archaic and damaging view that men aren't allowed feelings. It feeds men's issues with mental health if they can't express themselves properly.

Psychological_Box397 · 2023-11-03T15:13:02+00:00

What? No woman ever said this.... At least not any I know..

Having a man be vulnerable is one of the best qualities a man can show. It shows he's not a total hard-head.

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Ok_Challenge2548 · 2023-11-03T01:44:11+00:00

I can't say Dwayne Jonhson crying is like Brad Pitt crying.

LucyFurBlack · 2023-11-03T08:12:54+00:00

I wouldn't consider a man weak for mourning a friend's death. I would wonder what was wrong with him if he didn't show any emotions. Question? Are you assuming that your girlfriend would lose respect for you if you mourned your friends death? Or has your girlfriend actually said or done anything to indicate that she thinks this way. Would she mourn the death of a friend? If she would, then why wouldn't she understand your grief. I suggest that you actually talk to her rather than assuming that she wouldn't understand then feeling victimized by her (assumed) lack of understanding.

Nessa_Morgoth · 2023-11-03T09:27:23+00:00

I love when my stoic man shows vulnerability in front of me. It means he is human and he trusts me enough to show that to someone openly. Another thing is to act inferior or like a pussy... That's not good. But for this reason there is a huge difference between one and the other.

AtomicTimothy · 2023-11-03T10:53:22+00:00

This makes no sense. Everyone is different, some women might not appreciate it but I think they're wrong. Emotions are human, not gendered.

nemma88 · 2023-11-03T11:39:57+00:00

TRP accepts there are times when its fine to be emotionally vulnerable. Its more of a 'don't be weak over stuff that doesn't really matter', and even then I would add 'repeatedly and consistently' to that for it to actually have an effect.

It's probably somewhat relative. Those in a warzone have a different bar than those in a peaceful country.

What do you think about this topic from a RATIONAL point of view?

I this fear isn't rational, its completely hyperbolic. Triggering disgust here isn't nearly as sensitive in most women as it's being made out to be.

Cotehill · 2023-11-03T12:08:24+00:00

Men having emotions is not the problem. Any woman that judges a man in this way should be cast out - and the man should use it as a shut test to determine if the woman is worth their while.

Men being unable to differentiate when their emotions are ruling their decisions and men making emotionally-based irrational decisions are not acting rationally.

The difference is clear. Showing emotion versus acting based on emotions.

MxMaster9907 · 2023-11-03T13:14:52+00:00

Holy shit, i can’t imagine a friend of mine passing away and not being comfortable enough to cry in front of my partner.

I think women could be disconcerted by an emotionally unstable man, including a man who cries a lot. But holy shit bro, i don’t think most women will judge you at all if you shed some tears cause your buddy passes. Insane.

Diligent_Bookkeeper7 · 2023-11-03T13:35:21+00:00

Honestly, with the exception of my wife, every girlfriend I’ve been with reacted well if I cried; I’m not a crier by nature, so it only happened once or twice (if at all) with each.

During a very intense fight where “divorce” was thrown around, I felt like I was going to cry and let myself thinking - based in past experience - it would deescalate the situation. It did, but she became a snotty brat about it. It was surprising in the moment, but it makes sense now.

CryptoThroway8205 · 2023-11-03T13:42:43+00:00

There's some gymbro on insta who only talks about sad shit and has tons of female followers. Like "you wouldn't think a bro like me be sad but I just miss her man" shit.

Just one guy but there's clearly a market.

Throw_aw76 · 2023-11-03T15:05:50+00:00

This is so sad and cynical. First, it says more about the woman that you're with if she leaves you or won't aid in your emotional recovery if a close friend dies. But what bothers me is that you never gave her a chance. If you have this little trust in your partner then it's likely your relationship will end when it actually faces strife. Op you can subconsciously think that all you want. That if you open your heart at least a little she'll leave you. But at that point, you may as well be single because other than sex the relationship is doing nothing for you.

DietTyrone · 2023-11-03T15:19:14+00:00

If the girl you're with can't tolerate you being sad if your friend dies, if a parent dies, if your dog dies, or you breaking down at any other reasonable major life event, then you're with the wrong girl. Try as we might, we can't be emotionless machines.

intothemayland · 2023-11-03T17:06:36+00:00

I see myself as having more "traditional" leaning views on men and women, but even to me, this whole "not being vulnerable" thing is totally ridiculous. We are all people. We all have ups and downs. We are all allowed, or rather SHOULD cry when we are sad. I'd rather him cry when he is sad and scream when he is angry than die in his 40s from repressed emotions.

iLiveInAHologram94 · 2023-11-03T17:44:52+00:00

My bf has cried twice in front of me and it only strengthened our relationship. Crying in front of a new gf or someone you've gone on a few dates with will probably not strengthen your relationship. But where one is already strong and love is already there it shouldn't weaken it. If it does let it be a massive red flag to you and leave the relationship.

That's incredibly sad that you feel like you can't share how hard losing your friend is with your gf. In relationships you're supposed to be able to lean on one another in hard times.

MotherPermit9585 · 2023-11-03T17:51:42+00:00

Context is really important for showing emotional vulnerability. If a woman judges you for being sad about your friend dying you should cry in front of her now that way you can end the relationship before you’re too invested. She’s not someone you want to go through life’s ups and downs with.

The only times I’ve ever judged people for emotional vulnerability is if they over-share when we don’t have that kind of relationship yet (for example co-workers who always have some drama going on). I just listen to them and make a mental note that they’re probably not mentally/emotionally stable and tell them that I hope things get better for them. I do this with women too, not just men.

Every single time a man that I’ve had a romantic relationship with cried in front on me, it made me feel closer to him.

WillyDonDilly69 · 2023-11-03T18:51:13+00:00

I find idiotic your analogy that you compare on the same level thatvwomen can't have any sympathy/empathy towards their partner to men liking if women are kind/good looking. Like how can you compare it and think it as normal reality in both cases rationalising as "biological parameter"

Can't you demand better from your girlfriend, are you her pussy?

ladyindev · 2023-11-03T19:08:53+00:00

Look at your choices. My bf doesn't have to hide tears from me. He doesn't have to worry about me thinking he's a "pussy" for being a human. I don't want a man who refuses to be fully human. Men need some non-misogynist help with developing self-love and self-respect - that's the crux of the issue. Society conditions these parameters of men not being able to express any emotions because it violates a social archetype of what masculinity is. You can and should choose to leave any relationship like this and make it a priority to find a woman who isn't like that - but that means you have to confront whether or not YOU care about this more than other factors, namely looks. Be aware of how you function - learn yourself and what you value. Now, if it's worth it for you to deal with this because she has X trait, then that's a choice you can learn to be conscious of. You can decide that this is not how you should be treated, nor the ideal you should try to embody.

Vegetable-Rub3418 · 2023-11-03T19:48:50+00:00

This is one I will actually die on a hill on. Only cry when you lose your family, or lose a dog. Myron Gaines might be problematic but he's has a good point that if you ever need to cry about something let it be around your male friends and not your girlfriend of it's not one of those two things I mentioned

Dorn-Alien51 · 2023-11-03T19:56:00+00:00

Having no gf vs having one that doesn't want to support you is the same. There are women willing to have a crier

Mikeyyy_mikeee · 2023-11-03T20:13:03+00:00

Jesus what a depressing post.

bionicmook · 2023-11-03T23:01:39+00:00

I’m not turned off by a guy who cries over the loss of a friend. I don’t like when people, male or female, cry often and over nothing. That is admittedly a turn off. But crying after a death? Totally fine. One of my favorite Beck lyrics: “I’m a full grown man and I’m not afraid to cry.”

maam9243 · 2023-11-03T23:06:50+00:00

I don't understand why men think it is weakness to cry over loved ones' deaths etc. I would never want to discourage men from appropriately crying over family and friends. It shows humanity and empathy. What's interesting is men who refuse vasectomies because they're worried that they are the small percentage that would develop scar tissue from the procedure. That's how men advertise wimpiness aka weakness IMO.

TenaciousVillain · 2023-11-04T03:58:25+00:00

I'm hearing from a lot of women that men need to go to therapy TO cry, not the other way around. Perhaps these ideals of machoism are coming from other men / the media, more than women.

mcminimus · 2023-11-04T08:16:27+00:00

This is just sad. Good people regardless of gender will support their partner in their time of needs. If your partner doesn't support you, they are not a good person.

Setari · 2023-11-04T20:34:43+00:00

100% agreed, OP. For proof just Google phrases like "my gf left me after I cried" etc. Loads of stories out there much less on reddit.

AmphibianStunning763 · 2023-11-04T23:13:18+00:00

This is how you know you’re dating an idiot. If you can cry in front of someone they are smart and realise that all humans are weak in ways

rothkochapel · 2023-11-07T08:07:48+00:00

infont off you're Girl

Serge_Suppressor · 2023-11-08T02:02:50+00:00

Sorry dude, but if you're so terrified of your gf seeing you in a moment of weakness that you can't cry around her, you're living a life of fear and cowardice. I've cried around my gf many times, and she can't get enough of me. It's a normal, human thing to be sad sometimes. Being able to express emotions without fear is part of what makes a man.

I'm sorry about your friend. Get over the toxic bullshit and ask your gf for a hug. You'll feel better.

Title	CMV „As a Man you should never be emotional/weak infront off you‘re Girl“ is one of the most brutal reality’s that a Man has to accept.
Author	No_Incident4004
Upvotes	190
Comments	466
Date	November 2, 2023 11:09 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/17mgm9a/cmv_as_a_man_you_should_never_be_emotionalweak/
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